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Will all please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? Ready? Begin.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

If you can remain standing, Jack Abilene, our police chaplain, is going to give us our invocation.

Thank you, sir. Would you join me in prayer? Father, we thank you on this Thanksgiving week for all of the benefits that you have given to us as a country and as a city. We continue to pray, Lord, that we might take advantage of them and use them in a way that would honor you. So place your hand upon the council, our police department, those who watch over us, and upon the community, Lord, that we would be a grateful people who do things that would honor you in Jesus' name. Amen.

You may be seated.

And Judge Jack, if you and me, let's wait for Nick to come back. So let's do the next presentation, then as soon as he enters, we'll go to mine. Yeah, Mayor Potem Martinez, if you could please talk to us about November 1st, World Vegan Day.

Hey, you've got to give me a little credit there, Michelle. Vegetarian, right? Vegan often, vegetarian 44 years. Go ahead.

Great. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. if I can just please have the following folks if we could have Ryan and Nicole part of the Gypsy Den Jorge Ruiz owner of Nieves David Aguilar Raul and Irvin if you are you all here if you can please join us up here

and here comes Mr. Nicholas

so as they arrive and as our mayor said and honestly you know when I got on this city council 12 years ago and I knew our mayor was a vegetarian and I knew councilman Salorial was a vegetarian I had been a vegetarian myself prior to getting on the council and ended up eating chicken because everywhere you went there was a chicken dinner as an elected official and so it was quite interesting and so I started eating chicken you know during my tenure and about a year and eight months ago I became a vegan and I will tell you that as we celebrate

World Vegan Day at the beginning of November, I never imagined that in this city as I see these amazing young people that there would be such a huge following and wanting to eat healthier options, one also protect the environment and being very socially conscious. And so as I started looking around and looking for opportunities to go and eat vegan food. You know, I embarked on a pop-up, I embarked on Panadilla, vegan, and ending up going to Mission Bar, which had been open for many years, but I

wouldn't attend until I knew this guy right here was selling vegan tacos on a Tuesday. And as I started familiarizing myself and looking on social media where these venues were to eat vegan food, Something else was extraordinary. That there's this community of folks that have come together. So whether it's on a Sunday at a pop-up with David, and you have people not just from Santa Ana eating at that pop-up,

but you have people coming from all over Southern California to Santa Ana on a Sunday to eat vegan food. and it's been quite interesting to sit there and talk to folks and asking them, hey, where are you from? Oh, well, I'm from San Clemente, or I'm from Los Angeles, I'm from Long Beach, I'm from San Diego, on and so forth. And so it's been really amazing to see this movement here in this city. So I wanted just to talk about my journey, but I wanted to introduce you to these amazing young folks who are from this great city.

Santa Ana and so I want to start off right with you Raul and talk about your journey as a vegan and why you're so passionate about your spices and the way you cook and really people from all over Southern California go to Mission Bar on Tuesday because this guy here in the LA Weekly got number one taco and beat a regular Mexican taco real meat his taco number one taco so people come all over to come on Tuesdays at Mission Bar on Main to visit this young man and have some of his amazing tacos. So, Raul, please.

Well, thank you very much. Like she said, I was born and raised in this city at Mercy Hospital. I think now it's Coastal Community. Yes. When I was growing up, basically seeing diabetes and heart disease all around us, it made me go vegetarian. After a while, I became vegan when I found out that it was easy, that I don't need a Whole Foods. I can go to Superior or Northgate and get nopales and whatever the hell I need. I mean, every vegetable is there. It's just a thing of actually going to find it. I think the main thing is that, like you said, this is born and bred from Santa Ana.

You know, this isn't somebody from outside of Orange County or outside of Santa Ana coming in and starting some kind of vegan business. This is Santa Ana doing vegan for Santa Ana. And I think that's the most amazing thing, honestly.

Fantastic. And David, so talk about what you're doing at your family restaurant and the experience that you've had since you've been a vegan.

Okay, so I went vegan probably like three years ago.

And same thing as Roel, a lot of diabetes in my family and health issues. I've always tried to take care of my health since I was younger. And when I learned about veganism, how you can avoid all that, I was like, whoa, that's what I need to do. And so I grew up in my parents' restaurant, Taqueria El Zamorano.

And where is that located?

Warner and Flower, and check it out. And so, yeah, I kind of miss the food that my parents used to make at the Taqueria. And so I started trying to recreate some of the recipes, but veganizing it. And so eventually I was like, whoa, I think a lot of people should try this. and yeah so I gather a bunch of different vendors from all not only from Santa Ana there's several from Santa Ana but from all over LA San Diego and they all come bend with us on Sundays and yeah so it's you get like anything you can think of we're gonna have it there from sweets to donuts Italian

food Mexican food even sushi like this sushi is like ridiculous it's really good and yeah so So that's where we're at now, hoping to open up an actual restaurant here in Santa Ana, a full vegan taqueria. And that's what our goal is.

Awesome. David. All right.

This guy, if you like pan dulce, the holidays are coming. Amazing vegan pan dulce.

So my name is Reverend Lopez, and I went vegan about three years ago. and the same thing, you know, there was no vegan panduso options here in Orange County at all. And like David, growing up in the industry with my parents, they had businesses, they had bakeries. I kind of knew the basics of making bread. So then I started exploring vegan options of how to replace eggs. Milk was pretty easy, just any like nut milk can replace the regular milk. and we started working on recipes, me and my family,

and we eventually came up with the basic concept of coming up with a vegan concha and then after that we just started making a whole bunch of vegan pan dulce and it's been one year that we've had...

And where are you guys located?

We're on Bristol and Civic Center and it's just been incredible and we're hoping to open a second location soon.

So great. You have three young, amazing men from Santa Ana who have become vegans. Their families own restaurants here. And they have been promoting this. And so as I became a vegan, and I'll conclude with this before I give them this presentation, is that I thought I was going to be alone on this journey here in this city. And as I met them, because I know Raul has to go to Mission Bar right now because they're waiting for his tacos, is that you look at these amazing young men and what they've been able to do in this community to not only provide different alternative food options for those that are vegan across this

region, but more importantly to create a sense of community. So veganism is just not about just eating a plant-based diet, but it's about a sense of community, a sense of place. And that's what's so special about them and that's what's so special about Santa Ana that we can celebrate so many things that we have a lot of diversity and so I want to thank you I want to thank your families for continuing to accept you all for who you are and allowing you to grow and grow your own businesses and so with that I have some certificates of recognition and we know that the gypsy did is

not here but today for lunch I had an amazing beet hamburger it was delicious Nieves as well I don't think that they're here but um David are they here oh but they're shy they didn't want oh look they're back there oh my goodness and here she is all right and then we have yeah it's a Marano so David let me give you this and then we'll take a picture.

And then of course, Taqueria Venganza. Hey!

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You're so crazy.

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All right.

And then of course, Vegan by Victoria.

So Mieves, come and join us and really quickly because I want, you know, I've met your parents and what you've done. So you just talk very quickly about what you all are doing.

Well, I'm vegan and my dad has always been selling ice cream and I got him into like, how do you say, like to get people out there to know that we also have vegan ice cream. I don't know. Sorry.

And their ice cream is amazing, so you definitely should contact. And with that, thank you all so very much for what you're doing in our community. Thank you.

If I could have the honor and privilege of requesting that Dr. Henry Nicholas III, please join me, Judge Jack Mandel, and Rosa Diaz sitting behind them. If you could all three please join me at this time.

Yeah, go around that way.

As Judge Jack approaches and joins us, let me just tell you why I believe this presentation is so amazing and so incredibly important. As we all try to make the city a better place, giving and giving from the heart, giving your time, giving to others, others that will never do a thing for you other than making it a better world. And that's what the folks standing behind me have done for a long, long time.

It started with Judge Jack and they'll speak here in a moment, but it started with him when he was at Santa High School. After being a Superior Court judge here in Santa Ana, he'd go over to the high school and the library and inspire kids. Inspire them to reach for more. Inspire them to do more for themselves and for their families. and under very, very, very difficult circumstances. And folks like Rosa Diaz, who's right behind Judge Jack, she was, once upon a time, a student at Santa High

that was struggling and trying to figure things out. And he inspired her to do more and to become more and to give more. And then directly behind me, the tallest person standing up here, Dr. Henry Nicholas III. I think we should build a statue or something because, you know, you all have cell phones and they have Wi-Fi. He invented that.

You all have laptops and they have chips in the laptops that make them be able to talk to the internet. He and his company invented that. There are people, moments in time, tipping points when a lot of forces converge and something different happens. And when that happens, the world becomes a better place. And Nick, along with his partner, Dr. Henry Samuele, they put together a huge company named Broadcom, and now Broadcom is a part of other companies.

And Nick could have stopped there, but he didn't. And part of what he did was he decided he was going to create, with Judge Jack, these Nicholas Academic Centers. And kids throughout our city, and in a moment I want him to tell you the success rate because it is absolutely off the charts, but kids throughout the city that go to these centers all of a sudden get placed in like this magical tube. I'm not even going to use these notes. in a magical tube and they get beamed up you know star trek and beam me up scotty

that that's what these guys do they take kids in our schools and they beam them up and they go special places um i know you know jose solario was telling me earlier about i'm so proud of his uh you know uh his son that now is at stanford and i think in parties at Stanford because of the Nicholas Academic Centers. They work with the kids after school. They become part of the family. They help them with their homework. They help them with their applications. They help them with the interviews. And they beam them up. And they beam them up around the whole United States. And their numbers and the statistics are, I'll read you one

and then I'm going to turn this over. But, you know, they have 100%, Not 99.99%. They have 100% of the graduates from these centers enroll in post-secondary schools. The average is like 68%. So if any of our children here in the city are fortunate enough to become part of the NAC family, it's magic that happens there. It's truly magic. And now those students are coming back. Guess what? Rosa Diaz, right here besides Judge Jack, she's a graduate of the NAC. And she's now come back.

And she's running the NAC and she's helping hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of kids. I just hope she never runs for mayor. Because she's very, very popular. You should have seen as we were there last night at the Thanksgiving dinner, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of folks thanking. thanking God, thanking each other, thanking the NAC for changing their lives. And so I think may we go with Judge Jack first and then Rose, and then I want Nick to speak. A few words, please.

Here. Where's the microphone?

I'll push you up there. Do you want me to?

No, this is fine. We'll find out in a moment. It's okay. Get her up. There's something better.

Okay.

Well, let's see if it works. Does it work? All right. There was a judge in Santa Ana that had a crazy idea.

He believed that you could take the inner city kids and put them in the best colleges and universities in the country,

and they would become a product of the best colleges and universities in the country equal to the other students. There are three variables. One genetically. statistically, every single student that has come to us in the last 10 years, well, three went in the Army, one went to cosmetology school, and 100% of the others went to college. Our rate of retention in college is over 95%.

Because the people of Santa Ana in general don't have the $50,000 plus per year to put their kids into college, the colleges have to pay for it. They pay. And they come and they recruit our kids. The message is not about Nick and I. The message is about the youth of Santa Ana and Garden Grove and Tustin. If the parents get their kids there, we get them home in vans. We have the tutors. We have the infrastructure.

these kids take off, they're good enough, there's no affirmative action, they're good enough to compete to get into the freshman class, and they're good enough to stay there and graduate. I don't know of any of them that don't have jobs, except those that are in graduate school. These are the products of our public schools at the three academic centers at Santa Ana, Valley, and Century. none of this would have happened but for Nick's values and foresights I had the crazy idea Nick made it happen and now we see we're not always popular with the parents who wanted their kids to stay home

and not go to Philadelphia or Boston or New York but our kids from Santa Ana are all over and they're successful

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Hi, everybody. My name is Rosa Diaz, and I'm the Executive Director of the Nicholas Academic Centers. Thank you to all the council members, Mayor Pulido, for the wonderful recognition. We really appreciate it. We started with 24 students, and I, myself, with Hugo and Rocio at the time, were three graduates from Santa Ana High. We went to Allegheny. We believed him when he told us that if we went to college, life would be better after college. And now, if you see on my left-hand side, that entire, you know, for the most part, it's our staff and students and parents who came to support us.

Because as we stand up here, our impact has been huge, and we serve over 600 students every year. I am privileged. They are privileged. We're all privileged to work with our Santa Ana youth and Orange County youth. and we thank you for this wonderful recognition.

I just very much want to thank Miguel and the council members. It's such a pleasure to really help the community in this way because you make it effortless. And just as far as anything that we needed, as far as red tape, The fact that we have actually land on the schools and all the liability stuff is taken care of, it's really been a tremendous help to us.

And this is just such a tremendous community.

It's great to have a part in helping some of these kids fulfill their destiny. Because really that's what it is. I mean, it's been tragic to see kids that just because they're disadvantaged, that doesn't mean that they're not capable. They didn't end up that way because they don't have the capability. It's because they came from a culture and they just needed a leg up. And what's amazing, you know, our hypothesis is true. So I think the most impressive statistic, everyone talks about affirmative action, and I think there should be preferences letting kids into college,

but there are no preferences as far as the grades you get. There's no preferences as far as graduation. And so you can be valedictorian in high school, but it's game on once you get to college, especially when you get to a Harvard. and these kids, they get into Harvard, they get into Yale, these are the top tier institutions, UCLA, Stanford, and the competition there is fierce.

And the overall statistic as far as retention and graduation rate for Latinos I believe it's 40% and this is after 9 years. for the blended rate for everyone is about 65%. We achieve 90%. So we outperform everybody, every demographic. So it's something to really be proud of.

Tell them how many millions in scholarships you have facilitated.

The NAC students have won over $52 million in scholarships in the last 10 years.

So being disadvantaged is actually an advantage because the work ethic and yeah and the ambition

and just need a leg up so. Let me say thank you and I'm going to give you this and I'd want to invite the council. You guys want to come down? This is the 10th anniversary. We'll get all the council behind you, and then we'll take a photo. But this is congratulating the Nicholas Academic Centers for the 10th anniversary. And I know when it began, this was a tiny little program. It was very, very small. Now I believe there's over 1,000 graduates, correct?

1,000 how many, Rosa? 1,100 now. 1,100 of our students here in Santa Ana have now gone through this program and it works. So it is my privilege and honor to present this to you for the 10th anniversary for the service and commitment to Santa Ana and to the community. So with this, we're going to take a photo.

All right. Thank you very much and onward.

So as Judge Jack leaves the podium here, I wanted to let you know that Allegheny College is a big, big deal in his life, and my personnel board member is actually from Allegheny, so she's a product of Judge Jack's good work. So they're working very hard on your behalf, Judge. Thank you very much for all the good work that you do. If I could have Mike Wolk, the manager of Austin Hardwoods, come up and join me.

So, who hasn't heard of Black Friday? Anybody haven't heard of that? How about Small Business Saturday? Everybody heard of that? Well, look, we're going to try to blend that and put that in your mind, even though everybody's gearing up and everybody talks about Friday and how there's sales and things are going on and people are shopping and they're trying to digest their turkey and trying to wake up and do something. But I have the privilege of recognizing something that's very important, not just across the country, but especially here in Santa Ana and towns like ours.

It's recognizing Small Business Saturday, which is the Saturday following Thanksgiving, which follows Black Friday, which follows Thanksgiving as well. And this is a day that we can support our local businesses by doing our shopping locally. We don't advocate for not going to big stores, but if you realize that those small shops, independent shops, are ones that generate revenue, they generate employment and jobs and work for people in our town, it's very important.

For cities like ours in Santa Ana, where we don't have a lot of chains and we don't have a lot of franchises, we really do try to support those independent businesses because they make our city unique, right? People who come from other places, people who come from different backgrounds come and do business here, open up shops here, create jobs for our kids, is a very, very important thing. Right now, currently, 30.2 million small businesses in the country account for 99.9% of all the businesses nationwide.

So even though we hear about these large conglomerates, large corporations, really it sees small businesses that do the heavy lifting in our country. So we just want to make sure that as a small city that supports small businesses and have many small businesses. And, you know, if you see some of our, you know, stands, people with push carts, people with small shops and pop-ups, those are micro-businesses. Those are good to promote in the city. They provide services. They provide employment. And we want to make sure that we don't lose those because they make our city unique. And, you know, just a couple of stats here for you.

35% of our holiday shopping as we go through Thanksgiving and Christmas, 35% of those are going to be done at small businesses. 48% of folks who go to small businesses will be visiting those small businesses for the first time. So we really do need to promote those businesses because many times they don't get the attention that the large chains and the large corporate shops have. And they create as many jobs. So it's important that we all support those. So we really want you guys, when you go shopping, make that choice to go to that small shop.

Make that choice to go visit that independent store because they're owned, a lot of times they're owned by folks in our community that live here. So to the extent we can support them, it's a great way to give back. Small businesses have increased new jobs in the United States by 1.8%, almost 2% over the last year. Shopping is a way to give back, to support small local businesses that have remained beacons in our economy, even when times are uncertain. The City of Santa Ana supports local businesses that create jobs, boost our local economy, and preserve our neighborhoods.

So this Saturday, November 25th, following Thanksgiving, following Black Friday, if you have some money left, which you should, go shopping on Saturday to your small shops. Go visit a small store. You'd be surprised. You know, I stepped in one store, and this is a funny story because I went in to go get my son's haircut over on 4th Street right at this place called the American Barbershop. Right next door to that is a place that is a tattoo shop. I had never been in there, but the barbershop ran out of product for my son's hair because at his age, everybody uses product and their hair sticks up very high.

So they sent me next door to this tattoo shop. If you saw all the shirts, they all said Santa Ana. They had the logo of the city. They said Orange County. And it's a really unique place because you're not going to find that anywhere else, right? So it's something indigenous, something unique, and something inherent that, you know, folks realize, look, this is a way to have pride in our city. So that was just one small example of me being surprised how many great things are being done locally that promote our city. Somebody buys that T-shirt and they walk around. People say, where'd you get it? I got it in Santa Ana.

I got it in downtown. town and they're going to start visiting there. So I want to go ahead and give the floor to Mike Wolk, who's the manager over at Austin Hardwoods. We're recognizing him because he manages and operates his shop, but he's just an example of hundreds and thousands of small businesses that we have in the city that we really implore you to support. Money spent there as a multiplier effect gets spent here in the city. People's jobs, people's salaries that they get from those get spent here. So to the extent that you all can do your share to support Small Business Saturday, we really, really do appreciate it.

So Mike, let me go ahead and give you the floor and have you talk a little bit about your shop, and thank you for coming, sir.

The floor is yours.

Thank you very much for the recognition. Austin Hardwoods first started in Santa Ana in 1981, so we're in our 37th year. Our first location was, I think it was 5th and Fairview, and then a few years later moved to a larger location on South Main to south of Warner and then 16 years ago, 17 years ago we moved to the location we are now which is on Santiago Street across from the Santa Ana train station to a much larger location, about 45,000 square feet which we feel like we've actually outgrown because of the increase in business we originally started with the owner and two employees back in 81 and now we have 38 full-time employees

so the company has been very successful here in Santa Ana and we draw customers' business from all over Southern California, from L.A., Inland Empire, San Diego. We have customers that come to us from Bishop and Las Vegas and other parts of Southern United States on a regular basis, about 350 to 400 customers a day come to our store, and they're always looking for other places to go to do business in the area, so we are happy to be part of it.

Let's give Mike and his team a big round of applause for doing great work.

So I usually don't catch small errors, but I said November 25th. It's actually November 24th on Saturday, so make sure you get that right. So I want to go ahead and present this to Mike just as a symbol of our gratitude to him and all the small businesses that he and his store represent. This is declaring on behalf of the Mayor and the City Council, We hereby proclaim November 24, 2018 as Small Business Saturday and urge the residents of our community and communities across the country to support small businesses and merchants on Small Business Saturday and throughout the year. So don't just go on Saturday, go throughout the year.

Thank you for all your support. We appreciate you shopping in town. As somebody who was on the City Council, who's going to be joining the City Council again, shop local, shop Santa Ana. Thank you.

Mike.

Thank you.

as they come on up. So this is a local nonprofit that's not backed by a billionaire, at least not yet. They're backed by people power and local donations, and they've stretched the dollar to really make a significant impact. We have the executive director, Debbie Wells, and then we have some board members and leaders with the group, trustee, Zeke Hernandez. We also have a local businessman, Luis Mir, And then from part of our city family, Cheryl Everly. So welcome all.

The Achievement Institute, as you might know or not know, guides high-achieving, economically disadvantaged Orange County high school students in pursuing a career in the STEM fields. That's science, technology, engineering, and math. They are a charitable foundation. The open opportunities for local Santa Ana youth and surrounding other youth from Orange County to acquire extracurricular training and to interface with career professionals in the STEM field with a lot of Saturday sessions, multi-hour sessions. They also equip the students with laptops and scientific robes and great mentorship and many other things.

They have volunteers and supporting partners that collaborate also with institutions of higher learning. and business professionals to help produce this next generation of America's workforce. And they really do a great job in bridging these educational scholars with STEM professionals. And for these youth that are in it, it's a two-year program. So it's not a one-weekend thing or a one-year thing. They're in this program for two years at a critical point in their high school career. And that also, in addition to helping with their academics, helps them build character, leadership,

connection and teamwork. You probably have seen them here at the City Council before, but I brought them back because they just opened their first official office. So they've actually been doing a lot of great work for many years, you know, out of, you know, individuals' homes, out of, you know, Starbucks, out of different community centers. They also, by the way, again, you know, don't have a billionaire that directly supports them, but they do have a very special support as well in Paul Reardon, who's a Kiwani, long-term Kiwani, known for many years, also known

as El Jefe. And I know, you know, sometimes his, you know, his, you know, health and other circumstances don't allow him to come, but he's here in spirit. Is he here? Okay, but he's here in spirit, and we love him, we honor him, but it's with the leadership of the individuals back here that on behalf of our mayor and city council we recognize them for all their great work and the inauguration of their first office let's give them a big round of applause maybe Debbie or somebody from the board come on up you've been

nominated trusty Hernandez thank you my name is Zeke Hernandez I'm chairman of the board of directors for AISS achievement Institute for scientific studies and on behalf of the board we want to thank the City of Santana for this recognition. It's not only just a recognition of the board members and staff but it's a recognition that there are many students within the San Diego Unified School District and also the the the adjacent school districts Orange and in Garden Grove and Anaheim and Irvine as well that when they look at their

career when they when they trying to decide what college that they want to go to they they most some students are looking at the stem fields in the areas of stem science technology uh uh engineering and mathematics and of course of course there are other folks that want to throw in an a in there make it steam which brings in the arts but we have a number of students from Santa Ana Unified School District, and Debbie will touch on this in a couple of minutes, that we interview and we bring them into the AISS program. It's a two-year program.

As they come into our program, we provide a stipend, we provide a laptop, we provide the environment also in terms of study trips etc and Debbie in in her staff is these are the ones that work well with the students on an everyday basis during the summer month from Monday through Friday and then during the school year they they get together one or two Saturdays a month but I'm going to introduce I can cannot this this young lady came to us and she's a Jew she was a angel from

heaven so let me introduce our executive director Debbie Wells say a couple words

thank you as everybody has said and first thank you to the city and definitely to you Mr. Solario. Our program, we work with kids who have a dream because we have a lot of kids. They're high achieving. They have purpose. They might not have the money to go to the best schools, but we teach them that's not what's important. If you want to go, you have the dream. We'll help you get there. And so a lot of our kids are from Santa Ana. They're very interested in math and science and we give them the direction. We also work with the community so we bring in professionals into the classroom that works with our kids and

talk to them about what they do. They're talking to engineers and doctors and scientists that tell them this is what it's really like to be in this career. It's not what you see on TV, this is what it's like and then we also take them to those businesses so they can see what the work environment is like as well. We they're working with us it's like they're going to job going to a job every day their stipends are based on their performance so if they're not showing up or they're late we're docking their pay so they learn really early on what it's like to be in that kind of environment and all of our kids

we are a hundred percent successful we're getting our kids into college we are 99 percent with the graduation rate and I say 99 because there's one student I still can't find. One day I'm gonna find that student. But anyway we know that our program works because of our success rate. We work with a small group of kids and we're trying to expand the program and work with more. We've been nomads for over 10 years, close to 20 years. This year was our first time we've been able to open an office over at the Village at 17th Street if you know of it and we had

a great supporter who's underwriting 50% of our lease for two years so we're very excited about what we're ha what's happening and the community coming together to support us and I want to thank all of you too for being here today thank you

yeah and that Qantas is also an important new partner as well so Luis if you want to say a couple quick words. Well I've been a board member for about

two and a half years and these kids every time that I talked to them they really really impressed me. They're talking to kids about 4.0, 4.5 and stuff like that and I recently just saw when they had the film festival here in Santa Ana stand and deliver and these kids are definitely those stand and deliver kids they know where they want to go they just need the right connection the right pushing the right buttons to be pressed for them to succeed so these kids are definitely making strides in the STEM program that's excellent and these kids just like I said need a little push so that they're perfect example of what

Santa kids can do just like we had the last presentation by Mac I mean these kids are way above anybody there's way way smarter than anybody that I've known and I've seen so these kids are great so thank you very much great great group

and and Cheryl again who's part of the city family joined their board I think just today so congratulations and again on behalf of the mayor and city council thank you for your great work with the kids and thank you for opening up an office you're at 17th Street at the village thank you congratulations

Good job. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Congratulations.

I'm going to take a couple quick things out of order. I've got a couple speakers here that were non-agenda items. Come on down and speak. Sometimes you waited all night to speak. Now you get to go early. Dale Helwig, please come down. And Ayatenglin, come on down. And Juan Gonzalez after that.

Well, thank you. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. Mayor, council members, this is originally addressed to Mr. Godinas. I'll send the email out to Mr. Godinas. What I wanted to say was the planning commission meeting on Monday is going to hear 2525 project. And it's amazing to me that this project is going to be heard on Monday after 10 days of looking at the final EIR. And I actually have a copy I'll hold up after I get done here. It's this thick. It's over 1,000 pages.

I can't imagine the Planning Commission being able to review this document. We talk about transparency in the process. And we just don't see it. We learned that the developer requested and was granted an agenda item back on October 22nd to expedite the hearing of the project for November 5th. we had over 70 people show up for that meeting we opposed it the planning commission did not approve the special agenda item and it was amazing to me that just because the developer asked for it

the city granted them that wish we've asked that this meeting this hearing on Monday be delayed and I think it's going to deaf ears people are out for the holidays we'll have a lot of people that are traveling over the weekend they won't be able to meet the Monday meeting and it's just unfortunate that we're going to be pushing this for reasons that we think we know and it doesn't make any sense the project is not ready to be heard by the Planning Commission there are serious holes in it they don't even know which access they're going to use for

the project they don't know how to get in and out of the project a month ago they shot down the Starbucks agenda item because they wanted a left turn lane signal you know I don't see how this project is going to work at this point in time with all the deficiencies that it has in the project so again I'll send the letter out to mr. Godinus there he is in fact I'll just give him the copy

right now and you guys get a copy as well thank you I attend tagline come on down

good evening mayor Pulido go ahead and speak on 19g and 25 a please okay just do all your comments

And respectful Santa Ana City Council members, my name is Ilya Tsegrin. Regarding this agenda items of homeless, I consider it's connected with my concern, and I would prefer that this money would be taken from my son to destroy him would be better go to the homeless.

But also, I deeply respect your community for exceptional intelligence, compassion, and that's why I'm coming to you to tell you a very important update to you, to administration, city, to police department, adult protective services. the situation gravely dangerous to my son Nate's survival at the group home in Santa Ana, 903 South Harmon Street.

The group home has immunity for every and all complaint. Nate was removed, abducted from my innocent family. On November 3, this month, Nate was hit on the head in dining room by a guard named Brian.

Brian hit him so strongly with his fist that Nate lost conscious, passed out from dining room presumably dragged to his bedroom. When he woke up, he was having strong pain, but nobody did not call for medical help, leaving him or survive or die. So in case, I want to say, if something happens, it will not be an accident.

This is a murder that is going on openly by the Larry Landauer, director of Orange County Regional Center. I'm just wondering how this hateful person could be in charge of 20,000 clients. Thank you, sir.

Juan Gonzalez. Here's the thing we have a week to review.

Good evening Mr. Mayor, Juan Gonzales, SoCal Gas Public Affairs, thank you so very much for giving the opportunity to be before you today. Quickly, just a brief message, wanted first and foremost to wish everybody a happy Thanksgiving, hoping you have good activities with your friends and family these upcoming days, and actually take time to be thankful for what we have, and also reminisce obviously the important structure and important positions that you guys are in for the benefit of the community.

The other item I wanted to be before you and share is regarding some activity that the state legislature has been doing and wanted to make you fully aware. As you are fully aware, SoCal Gas provides reliable, safe, natural gas for about 20,000 square miles from the San Diego-Mexican border. And this past legislative year, there was a move by the state legislature where they wanted to go all electrical. There were two pieces of legislation that they were looking to pass.

Unfortunately, they didn't move forward, but essentially required that any new building by 2022 would be all electrical and they would force all buildings in the state of California to be retrofitted by 2030. And essentially all these costs would be associated to you, the customer, and would be additional costs. All in the name of greenhouse gas reduction and obviously the cost associated with that would be tremendous. this I can share with you I've been at other council meetings throughout my service territory out in South County where constituents are going to City

Council and asking why is my electrical bill so high and now imagine the cost associated right now with electricity what it would mean if all your appliances went all electrical and again this is a push by the state legislature that may be coming in the direction for the next legislative year so just wanted to make you aware let me be very clear SoCal gas in no way shape or form is against electrification, but it should be a matter that the resident, the constituent, the consumer should have that choice and that's something that should be pushed by the state legislature. I can share also with you

that SoCalGas is taking steps to do the reduction of greenhouse gases. We're working with the environmental company out of the Inland Empire where we're breaking organic waste and capturing that method and putting it back into our pipeline. There is also work with companies, dairy companies up in the northern portion of our territory where we're capturing the manure from cows breaking that down and putting that into our pipeline so we're doing our part to reduce greenhouse gas emissions but again just wanted you to be aware of this activity potentially coming your way and again it's all about a balanced

energy portfolio and that's what we're trying to provide you with that information so thank you for the opportunity for you today thank you

I'm now gonna take something out of order I've had several requests to go on item 75. All right. All right. Let me shift gears for a moment then. Hold that. Let's approve the consent calendar first. All right. Let's hear item 28, Chris Schmidt, and then we'll go to the consent calendar. Chris, come on down.

Good evening. Cushman, Windsor Village Neighborhood Association. I'd first like to thank the city council and city staff for opening a 200-bed homeless shelter in such a very short time. I think our city is leading the way. I know Mayor Polito, Mayor Pro Tem Martinez, have done a lot of hard work working with Judge Carter on this so that we can provide humane housing solutions in our city. But with that being said, I feel like our city has already done enough to provide both temporary and permanent housing solutions in our city.

Our city has the Orchard, Wise Place, Salvation Army Hospitality House, Courtyard, the Armory. We're also in the process of building the Aqua Project, Veterans Village. Other cities, especially those in the South Spa, have done nothing to provide any new housing

to help address the homeless community in South Orange County.

As a reminder, the courtyard, temporary, 200 beds. It's been there for over two years now, 400 plus beds. You now have an agenda item before you. They're going to relocate it to another location in our city, 600 beds.

Meanwhile, I hear cities like Huntington Beach, who agreed in court to open 60 new beds, is having difficulty. Tustin residents already protesting the 50-bed shelter. The two new elected city council members publicly stated they will fight the new 50-bed shelter in Tustin. What I'm trying to understand is why I have to continually come down to our city council and remind our city that we have an occupancy standard under our SB2 zoning that we only allow a maximum of 200 beds per shelter location.

I strongly oppose the City of Santa Ana agreeing to open a 600-bed permanent housing shelter for the homeless in our city when other Orange County cities have not stepped up.

Thank you. If you can conclude, please.

Yeah, real quick. I think our city has done enough already. Other Orange County cities have to step up. And with that, have a happy Thanksgiving.

thank you uh with that i now want to go on to the uh consent calendar

and madam city attorney what was that item on cannabis that i want to abstain on um that would be the proposed um later so it's not it's not yet no all right it's an ordinance

thank you so with that are there any items yes mr mayor go ahead i can pull 19e 25e and i'm a

no on 25g any other items that council members want to pull or abstain on seeing none i will entertain a motion on the balance move the bill second those in favor please say aye aye aye

the opposed motion carries mayor pro tem go ahead thank you mr mayor so item 90e i wanted to bring to your attention and this is the authorization to negotiate an exclusive negotiating agreement with Caribou Industries for the renovation and reuse of the YMCA property. And I know our staff is here. This item came before my committee, which is the Edbit.

Councilman Sarmiento and Councilman Benavidez sit along with me. And this is to enter into an exclusive negotiation agreement with Caribou Industries for the YMCA. So we went through a thorough process and wanted to bring this up to the council that as we went through the process with our city staff, we made sure that we were going to make a recommendation and bring that forward towards you all up here. And so I wanted to share that narrative that we did go through an extensive process. Our staff went through an extensive process. And here we are today.

And so, Mr. Mayor, I know you wanted to have some discussion. I know you have a new council coming in. And so I'm not sure what direction, what this council wants to go in. But I want to know that three members of the EDBIT asked for this to come here. You know, we want some resolution. We want to take next steps. But again, two of those members are leaving this council and a third member that doesn't participate as well. So I'm not sure if you want a presentation from our staff or what you would like to-Roll it over. Or if you wish to roll it over.

I'm not sure, but I know I wanted to explain that we did go through a thorough process and did our due diligence to bring this before you all tonight.

Mayor, I'd like to make a comment. Go ahead. And I echo some of the comment that the Mayor Pro Tem stated with regard to an extensive conversation, looking at a variety of different projects that were presented. And I'll remind members of the council and of the public, this has been, I believe, at least six years, even prior to some of the sitting council members being here, we've been working on a request for proposal and looking at a reuse of the YMCA property that the city has been holding for, I believe, over two decades.

After some extensive consideration, looking at a variety of different projects, the committee is making the recommendation to move forward with, as is stated there, an exclusive negotiated agreement with Carable Industries and that's an opportunity to go into actually negotiations and work out details. The future council members will be the ones to work on those negotiations, work on those terms and ultimately make the decision to move forward to a development agreement if that's the conclusion that the council at that point reaches. However, it's been the existing council, the current council,

that has brought this before actually two attempts to do a request for proposal. So I can provide more info myself on some of the discussions and the rationale. However, at this point, what I'd like to do is go ahead and make a motion that we move forward with what's stated here at 19-8, which is a recommendation to move forward with ENA with Caribou. That's my motion.

Okay, motion dies for lack of a second. Is there a substitute motion?

Make a motion to extend the time.

Continue it for 30 days or something like that? 30-day continuance. That's my motion. I'll second that motion.

Do you want to go ahead? I'm sorry. You want to speak earlier, Vince? Go ahead. you know my apologies go ahead no worries i you know i um since i was speaking to one of our staff at the time that you you guys were discussing what's the motion on the floor okay so um i just

just i think you were in conversation i did make a motion initially to move forward uh there wasn't a second i don't know if during that conversation whether you'd be open to making that second but in the meantime there was a subject that was presented well um you know just in the

interest of continuing the discussion we have a motion and a second on the floor i did have a couple of questions for staff on the um on the report that was provided and thank you all for preparing this and i think as mayor pro tem stated we had i think maybe one or maybe even two meetings on this where we had proposals for the um for the project that the ymca um submitted to us and they presented in person and there were four very compelling opportunities. So to the extent that we've seen this for a long time and I think we even had an agreement with St. Joseph's for a few years where we were unfortunately disappointed at the fact

that they couldn't fulfill their financing and it exhausted a lot of the time that many of us here had been working on this. So I'm just having some trouble on the selection process because it looks like there was some scoring done on the four proposals that were submitted to staff, and there was a review board that looked at the procurement or went through the procurement process, and it looks like the party that is being considered for an ENA tonight scored below somebody that scored higher. What was the criteria maybe that put that?

Well, I'll give you some background. Thank you very much, Council Member. Steve Mendoza, Community Development Agency Executive Director. The committee did an exhaustive interview panel with all four proposers. If you remember, the first out of it committee had all four proposers. Then they asked the two, it evolved into asking the two finalists. They took the highest scoring and then the second highest scoring and asked the two finalists to see if there was some matchmaking that can go on to merge the two projects.

They liked various items of both projects. One had parking, one didn't have parking. One had more of a private development flavor to it, and one had a public flavor to it. And one of the big concerns was tax-exempt or non-tax-exempt. That was something that resonated with the committee. committee. The committee then, well the staff was able to receive comment from both parties that the matchmaking wasn't going to work out. That the two couldn't come together for a combined proposal that we would have loved to have introduced to the council tonight.

So what we have is the ultimately at the committee, the second committee meeting, the committee made the recommendation for the Caribou to move forward to the City Council.

Great. Thank you. And so when you did take these before you, though, as you ranked them, you ranked them in order of strength of financing or strength of proposal. That's what I guess I was getting at a little bit.

Yes. And it was about the proposal and then the presentation that they gave before the entire edit, if you remember all four, that was the last part of the scoring process.

Got it. So I did want to remind that the committee did recommend that we see how we could maybe combine the two proposals. and I think there was even an effort to maybe combine all four because we were so impressed, and it was difficult to say no to any one of the proposals, but obviously the first two were the most compelling. That not being possible, the only thing I would maybe suggest as we consider putting this over and working with somebody exclusively is that we set some milestones. So, Mr. Mendoza, to the extent that you can make sure that we don't get caught in the delay that we found ourselves in with St. Joseph's

and hit some, you know, maybe put some milestones and some deadlines. In other words, if we can't meet those, then we should try to have some notice as soon as possible so we can remove ourselves from that exclusivity just because, you know, if we can't meet basic financing or pro formas or showing that something could be completed then we really don't have the luxury of time to continue on with this especially since this has got such a long history if it didn't if this was the first time it came before us and i'd say you know we're tackling it for the first time but it's sat unaddressed even though it's been

a priority of this council for the past six or six to seven years so it is an attractive nuisance It's a blighted area, I think to the extent it could be addressed. I'm very supportive. And I think my comments at the committee were that I'm leaning more towards the effort being economic development driven. So I think it's consistent with what staff is recommending, but I do want our community to be able to share in this. And I love the School of the Arts. I think they do a great job, but to the extent that folks from Santa Ana can use this asset and benefit is my priority. So thank you.

If you could just incorporate that as you move forward.

After the City Council recommends us work with one, then the draft ENA would include that very language. It would have the milestones. And the Council would vote on that draft ENA as well at a later date.

All right. All right, so we have a motion.

Councillor Solario. Yes, just a few things. I know we've been trying to get use of this property for at least 15 years. So probably a 30 day continuance isn't going to be a big thing in the scheme of things. I'd be supportive considering it then or now. I do believe that what we have before us today is just an authorization for an exclusive negotiating agreement so you could figure out what an project might be so it's not like if there's complete finality with this action whether we take it today or in 30 days. I also want to say that Caribou

Industries actually has a record of rehabbing a lot of older buildings. They probably have rehabbed more than anybody else whether it be original Mike's, the Masonic Temple, Orange County High School of the Arts, the Santora building. So I I do believe that there's that capacity there and I think working with other groups on shared use, I'm sure he'd be open to that and I would like to work with him as well on that. We also got to keep in mind the economic cycle. You know, all these postponements, eventually it'll be what happened last time. You know, we take these baby steps, baby steps and then you hit a rough economic cycle

and then it goes on pause for 10 years, which is what happens here and I'm hoping that won't happen again. And finally, in the meantime, we also just have a lot of blinded homeless around the area. I know there's continuous problems in front of that property. It continuously is boarded up. I know over the weekend, I think it was on Sunday, I drove by the area, and I haven't seen more homeless in the downtown in a long time. Right there in front of the old courthouse and San Ando Boulevard. Tair San Jose has like 50 people on their property over the weekends.

I don't know exactly what was happening that might have been special that day, but we have many problems and these are exacerbated and old boarded up buildings. So for those reasons, I am anxious to move forward on a project. I do think that staff and the committee's recommendation is a good one. but if my colleagues aren't ready to take that up today, in 30 days we'll be fine.

Mayor, I have a question in light of some of the comments that Councilman Soloria has made, that the timeliness, the impacts on additional delays, a question to the maker of the motion, and the second, whether a 30-day continuance is absolutely necessary or whether they would consider going to a 15-day continuance so that they can do it with due diligence. Again, we've done a number of meetings prior to, but so this could be brought back at the next meeting. So question to the maker of the motion.

All right, seeing no second.

It was actually a question, yeah.

Oh, it was a question to make it a motion?

No, it was a question as to whether the maker of the motion would make it. Correct.

In my opinion, it defeats part of the purpose, so taking a deeper and better look.

So the question again is to the maker of the motion.

Correct.

Yeah, I don't have a response. I want to continue. I'm not comfortable yet.

All right, so in many enough discussion, those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? No. Motion carries. Now we have 25 E, is it?

Yes, Mr. Mayor, this is an item to approve agreement between the City and East Com Corporation to defer the payment of the residential development pursuant to Article Section 35111 of the San Animas code. I just wanted to make just very clear with our staff and I read the report that what is happening here is that we are going to defer the fees. And so I'm not sure what staff member can join me up here so they can put this on the record.

And that is that we're going to defer the payment of the residential development fees subject to any changes of our city manager. But more importantly, as we defer these fees, based on the development, when they're going to pull permits, that that payment will be made. And so I just want clarity on that, and I want that on the record. I don't mind helping and deferring the fees, but I just want to make sure because you have council members leaving, you've got staff members leaving. You know, this is not, I just want to, sometimes we lose track of things, you know, and I don't want to lose track of things.

And then say I didn't know, so just wanting to put it on the record.

Until the certain permit is pulled and then it's got to be paid, can you just define it?

Define that. Yeah, the fee will be paid, just it gets deferred to later in the process, yes. It will be paid. We have a trigger point. We have an agreement as well. Can we say before the occupancy permit? Yes. It's an occupancy permit for this one. All right. Normally, you take it at permit issuance. It's deferred to the very end.

So to the very end, when you get the occupancy.

Correct.

Yeah, certificate of occupancy.

Okay, that's the clarity that I wanted. Thank you so very much.

All right, let's put that in the motion. So we're going to defer the fees.

We're going to defer the fees.

Until the occupancy permit is ready to be pulled. We will not be issuing a certificate of occupancy until these fees are paid.

Until the fees are paid, but they can be deferred. deferred as long as it takes until the permit is paid. I mean the permit is about to be pulled. The certificate of occupancy, yes. Got it. Normally it would be

required before the issuance of the building permit and due to hardship situation they're asking for that to be deferred. I think that's a good motion. Is there a

second? Second. Okay, we have several seconds. Those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. So the fees will be deferred until before the option permit is pulled. Thank you. What's the next item?

If I can have the swearing in for the two new appointees. Mr. Lawrence Klein and Patricia Limon, if you can both please come up to the front, please.

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

Mayor, I do like to ask if you were going to take the public hearing item on the CVRA case as your next item.

Thank you.

Thank you.

and domestic that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion that I will well

and faithfully discharge the duties which I am about to enter. Thank you.

Okay, I'm not going to take item 75A next. I know we have a few speakers.

So this is a public hearing, I believe.

So this is a time and place to hold a public hearing to consider reintroducing the ordinance, setting new award boundaries, and approving the election sequence for said new awards. The ordinance requires another introduction because of the election sequence needs to be included as part of the first reading. So I'm now going to open up the public hearing and hear from speakers. So if you're forward and wish to speak on the side, please come forward at this time. Zeke Hernandez, followed by Dale Helwig, followed by Alejandra Capistran.

Thank you, Mayor. Members of the City Council, my name is Zeke Hernandez. I'm here as President of Santa Ana Lulac, League of United Latin American Citizens. We were founded in Santa Ana in 1946, primarily a civil rights organization. As some of you may know, I have been involved with bi-district elections for quite some time, going back to a number of years, probably maybe 40 years, and if you remember Measure C. measure C and okay and and in in in quite recently LULAC we have looked at an

approach a number of cities and school districts as well as looking at water districts in terms of going to by district elections we have seen the change with demographics and we've we've we've stepped away in terms of the in terms of by district elections when there were private interests that were looking at sending letters of demand to cities and entities and and in this and these entities being hit by a financial burden and so we stepped away because we've worked with the city of Anaheim, city of Placentia, city of Garden Grove,

Garden Grove School District, Westminster School District in terms of bringing to their attention the need for by-district elections for a more fuller representation for its citizens and its residents. When we look at what you have before you and we've seen the large increase in terms of the non-Latino, non-English, and primarily an Asian American population west of Santa

Ana River, and it's looking at more Vietnamese, we realize that they need a voice. And what you have before you, and we understand the practicalities of the politics that go with you in terms of what you what you have to decide what I've talked with MALDEF in terms of the maps that are before you we had take a look took taken a look at and in favor the the plan D that you have before you but now apparently you made some changes but we understand that you're looking at maps and we

understand also that you have the ability to make some changes and make your decisions. We ask that you take a look at the Latino population in the city of Santana and that we are willing to work with the changes. So any decision that comes before you, I think has to be incumbent that we take into account not only the Latino population but the growing Vietnamese population. Thank you.

Thank you. Dale, please.

I brought my ball and chain with me for Thanksgiving.

Just wanted to say I support Plan Delta II and I also support Charlie II. What I would like to see though is the distribution of the assignment of the wards themselves. If it's Charlie 2, just number it straight 1 through 6 on the A through F sequence. I think that is a fair process for the incumbent council members. and likewise on Delta II, I would recommend 156342 for the number sequence on A through F as well,

for the same reason. It doesn't require them to go up for re-election in two years. Thanks.

Thank you. Alejandra Capistran, followed by Maria Ramirez.

It was voted in the 4th of October, October 30th, before the election, and where the voters have the approved the AA with 63.3%. Dicho this, it means that the voters saw this map before voting. The areas C and B have a lower population of low income. The areas F and E have a lower population of low income. In the population of low income, they have a lower tax rate.

It's for that we want to motivate you to vote for the council of the bar in a presidential election. So, we will increase the vote. It's for that we want to take the next sequence for the election for the one, for the two, the one, the six, A, B, C, D, E, F. Thank you very much. God bless you. Thank you.

I'm a resident of Santa Ana and an active member of OCO and Immaculate Heart. I'd like to ask you not to make any changes to Map D2 because Map D2 was supported by the residents and members of the community in all the presentations by the City Council and the community presentations throughout the city of Santa Ana. In addition, map D2 was adopted by the fourth meeting on October 30th before the elections, and the voters approved measure AA with 63.3%. This means that the voters saw this map before they voted.

Areas C and B have a lower income population. Areas F and E have a population with higher incomes. The lower income population tends to vote at a lower rate. This is why we want to motivate you for you to vote for council people in a presidential election. And this would increase the voting rate. This is why we like you to adopt the following sequence for election for Ward Map D2, A through F, 1 through 6.

Maria?

my name is maria ramirez residente santana and member active inmaculado corazón de maria con oco i'm gonna say that i'm gonna say that i'm gonna have a system of elections for district and map plan de dos approved by the consejo of santana the 30th of octubre and that también fue presentado a los votantes antes de las elecciones y aprobado ellos mismos en un 63.3% en la medida AA. Es por eso que Mapa Plan D2

debe conservarse sin ningún cambio. Ya es bastante la demora y el abuso de autoridad en este proceso. Es por eso que términos de la secuencia de elecciones por distrito en el Mapa Plan D2. Quiero recomendar una secuencia en donde los votantes de bajos recursos y baja propensidad salgan a votar entusiasmados, y por eso significa en una elección presidencial. Esta es la secuencia que fuertemente recomiendo. A. Guard 1, 2020

B. Guard 3, 2020 C. Guard 5, 2020 D. Guard 2, 2022 E. Guard 4, 2022 F. Guard 6, 2022 Muchas gracias. Dios les bendiga.

My name is Maria Ramirez and I'm a resident of Santa Ana and an active member of OCO and Immaculate Heart. First of all, I'd like to thank God that we will soon have a fair election system by wards. And this map, Plan D2, approved by the Santa Ana City Council on October 20th, was also presented to the voters for election and approved by them by 63.3% via Measure 8A. This is why Map Plan D2 must be preserved without any changes. There's been enough delays and abuse of authority in this process.

That's why for the terms of the sequence of elections for District Map D2, I'd like to recommend a sequence where the voters of low income and low propensity can go out and vote excited, which means in the next presidential election. The sequence that I strongly recommend is this. A, Ward 1 for 2020. B, Ward 3, 2020. C, Ward 5, 2020. D, Ward 2, 2022. E, Ward 4, 2022. F, Ward 6, 2022.

Okay, now we have Carmen Silva followed by Rafael Borja and then Leon Velasquez.

I'm Carmen Silva, resident of Santana, I'm a member of OCO.

I'm from the community of Guadalupe Del Jai. The map plan D2 was approved by the Consejo and voters in the past elections. It is why I consider that to change the map of the plan D2 would be a lack of respect for voters who look at the vote before voting in the A-A, with a 63.3%.

It is why I ask that I do not change anything in absolute to the map D2. I also want to ask that the sequence was given to you in a letter by some organizations. For me, this sequence is very reasonable, because it will help more voters to make the vote in presidential elections. Es por eso que recomiendo ir a las siguientes secuencias en mapa plan D2.

A, World 1, año 2020. B, World 3, en el año 2020. C, World 5, en 2020 también. D, World 2, en el año 2022. E, World 4, en el año 2022. Y la F, World 6, en el 2022. Muchas gracias por escucharme.

My name is Carmen Silva and I've been a resident of Santa Ana for over 50 years and an active member of OCO in the heart of Guadalupe. The plan D2 that was approved by the city council and by the voters this past election, This is why I consider that if modifying plan D2 would be disrespectful to the voters who saw this map before voting on measure AA by a margin of 63.3%. This is why I ask for this map D2 not to be modified at all. I'd also like to ask that you adopt the following sequence that was delivered to you in a letter by some organizations.

For me, this is a very reasonable sequence to help more voters to go out and vote in the next presidential elections. That's why I recommend the following sequences for map D2. A, Ward 1, 2020. B, Ward 3, 2020. C, Ward 5, 2020. D, Ward 2, 2022. E, Ward 4, 2022. F, Ward 6, 2022.

before elections and approved by the voters of 63.3% in the measure AA. That's why I want to keep intact the plan D2. I also want to recommend a sequence that will motivate the voters of low resources in order to vote, and that means in a presidential election. That's why I recommend the following sequence for the Plan B2. A. War 1-2020

B. War 3-2020 C. War CFI-2020 D. Ward 2 2022 E. Ward 4 2020 F. Ward 6 2020 Como concilio de la ciudad, depende que Santa Ana tenga un futuro mejor y mejor vida. Dios les ilumine.

Gracias. This is why I like to keep intact map D2. I also like to recommend a sequence that would motivate the low-income voters to go and vote. This means also having presidential elections. I would also like to recommend the following sequence for map D2. A. Ward 1, 2020. B. Ward 3, 2020. C. Ward 5, 2020. D. Ward 2, 2022. E. Ward 4, 2022. F. Ward 6, 2022. As a city council of Santa Ana, the city depends on Santa Ana to have a better future and a better life.

May God bless you and may God illuminate you.

Hi, my name is Landel Velasquez. I'm a community coordinator with OCO. Good evening. Today I'm here to support MapD2 without any change. Residence strongly supported MAPD2 as scheduled community members in Santana. And it was adopted before election on November 6th, where voters approved measure AA by 63%. I know voters saw the MAPD2 before they voted and are expecting it to be implemented as is.

I also want to recommend a sequence that could work with a higher percentage of low income resident after election the 2020 presidential year to promote voters tune out among low propensity voters. My recommendations are as of follow. A, Ward 1, 2020. B, Ward 3, 2020. C, Ward 5, 2020. D, Ward 2, 2022. E, Ward 4, 2022. F, Ward 6, 2022.

Ward F and E tend to have a higher income population. Words B and C tend to have a lower income population. Lower income population tends to vote at a lower rate, but having them vote on presidential election will increase voting rates. Thank you so much. God bless you.

Okay, now we're going to have Kathleen Rodriguez, Karen Rodriguez followed by Teresa Lee followed by Kathy Lee and Ken Nguyen and I believe Teresa Lee needs translation so Ken may you could provide that unless we're prepared Vietnamese? Okay. So let's start with Karen Rodriguez please.

Hello, good evening. My name is Karen Rodriguez. I'm a Santana resident in Ward 6. I'm here to support the map D2 without alterations and manipulations. The map is a product of community hearings, direct community input, and most importantly allows the Asian American population to collectively exercise their voting power and elect someone who understands their community's needs. The sequencing of this ward also impacts the voting turnout of these communities. As a Santana resident who has had the privilege of voting every year since she turned, well, every election since she turned 18, I believe it is important

choosing the following sequencing as it will ensure that those with the lowest propensity to vote, usually those belonging in the lowest income areas, will be encouraged to do so in the following election year of 2020. The sequencing is as follows. A. Ward 1, 2020. B. Ward 3, 2020. C. Ward 5, 2020. D. Ward 2, 2022. E Ward 4 2022 and F Ward 6 2022. Thank you.

Great, thank you. Theresa Lee, followed by Kathy Lee, and then Ken Nguyen.

Theresa needs a translator.

Theresa needs a translator. Do we have translation coming?

No. Theresa Lee.

Kathy Lee. Yes.

Ken? Ken. Can you do the translation for us if you don't mind? Oh, we have a translator. Oh, okay.

No, I don't need to.

Good evening. My name is Kathy Lee. I am here to support MAPD2, but with zero change. Voters approved by 63% on Measure 8. I also want to support the sequence that motivates low-income voters in my presidential election.

1-1 for year 2020. 1-2-5 for year 2020. 1-2-4-6 for year 2022. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Kathy? Oh, no, Teresa? Okay. Okay.

How do we sell the property to our drug?

Behave yourself, Margo.

Good evening. My name is Teresa Lee. I am here to support

plan D. Plan D2. This map was presented as several communities messing over the count of man. It was shaped by the collective voice of the city. It was then presented to vote before the November election and was approved by the nearly two-thirds majority.

The community has spoken and the voters have voted. The map should not be arbitrarily authorized. On another note, I would like to also take this chance to show my support for the sequences to motivate low-income voters for the presidential election. I recommend the following screen.

The work one is 2020, work three is 2020, the work five is 2020, and the work two is 2022, year 2022, World 4, year 2022, and World 6, year 2022. Thank you for your time.

Thank you so very much. Ken Nguyen, and I think Ken is our last speaker.

Good meeting. My name is Ken Nguyen. I am a proud 40 years resident of Santa Ana. I'm very, very proud to be a part of the resident of Santa Ana. As you may know, I have served as the community leaders of Vietnamese community for over 40 years, as well as actively serving as the Vietnamese community liaison for the city of Santa Ana for the last 25 years. I'm I'm a little confused because in last meeting you have met at the vote was decided on D2 and then we're voting again. Tonight I do not see the map D2 posted, only map C and D. So I'm a little confused.

But again, I just want you to know that we do need our voice to be heard in the city council. and dude, I would like to have somebody advocate for our interests in the city council, but not necessarily to have a person in our own race representing us on the council. You are doing this fine. So for the matter of Vietnamese community, as a protected class in Santa Ana, I would like to point out a couple of things.

The Map D have the highest number of Asian American citizens voting A. They're claiming that Map D have the highest number of Asian American residents, but that's absolutely incorrect. the area A and map C have 12,846 Asian CVAP and the area A and map D2 have only 11,776 Asian CVAP, which is less than 1,000 Asian CVAP.

And also, we do not want to be separate from some other speaker before claiming that the Santa Ana Riverbed should be divided for the segregated Vietnamese community in Santa Ana. We do not want to be divided. We will be a part of Santa Ana. And also, some other people are claiming that MAPD2 will have the highest percentage of Asian American season of voting age. In fact, Asian American city residents consist of 8% of Santa Ana population or 24,374 residents out of the city.

In comparing Map C that have 52.72% and Map D have only 48.31%.

Also, the voting sequence for the next city council member is not of interest to us. We don't really have any interest in that. Only interest we would like to have that dividing the city world map would have the larger Vietnamese voting age block population is a major interest to us.

Thank you, Mr. Nguyen.

Thank you.

Don, he was our last speaker.

All right. So with that, I'm going to bring it back, I believe, to City Council for discussion. Unless we want to hear from the demographer for the 10th time.

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

We do have the demographer and we do have maps.

But do we need to hear them again if we don't have questions?

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

No, but there was a comment that was submitted by one of your colleagues on one of the maps. If you'd like to see that shown, we'd be able to do that. If not, you can have your conversation.

Do you know who requested that?

I believe I made the suggestion. So, yeah, it would be great if at least the map could be brought up so I could talk through it. And then if there are questions of the consultant, that could happen. While that's occurring, let me say a few things. We've had a number of hearings, a number of community meetings, and there I think have been some broad themes, but there's also been disagreements about what the map preferences are. I think some key themes are keeping communities of interest together, including neighborhoods.

as well as there's been talks of some members of the community are used to certain wards and so they'd like to see some resemblance to some existing wards. So I acknowledge that although there are commonalities, there have been a lot of differences in comments and letters received, including from the Vietnamese community. I want to speak to really the issues that I raised the last time and a couple of other tweaks. Number one, I agree with Ken Nguyen in that the version of the award for focused on Asian American voters,

the version that Ken Nguyen spoke about does have the highest number of Asian Americans. I think that's a positive. I also saw that in the south part of the city you had the Sandpoint neighborhood that's a very active neighborhood. that I think mistakenly was divided in half. So this map fixes that. Also, this map, unlike D, places the historic Latino, very underserved, very impoverished, Santa Anita community. This places it in Ward C as opposed to the Asian American seat,

where they would be very disenfranchised as Latino voters that have historically been there and underserved for a long time. Also for the north part of town, I think we heard consistently that north of 17th is a dividing line and folks up in that area wanted to prefer to stay together north of 17th. So this map does that. And really the only big new thing that I didn't discuss previously that I'll discuss today is we recently had an election. And so we now know who has been elected, unofficially elected, because we don't have the certified results yet.

But the prior maps really pits two council members in the same ward. That would be an adversarial thing for four years and I don't think that's healthy for them and healthy for the community. So this version of the map, which has many similarities to prior C and D maps, this places two of those council members in separate wards rather than the same ones. So that's a positive thing. With respect to sequencing, because we've got to take that up, I would suggest, as I've heard from folks in our community, that they'd prefer to see people that were up

two years ago, that they'd be up again for re-election, if they are eligible for re-election, in two years. So that would mean that based off the settlement agreement that says that the Asian district should go first, that would be A, would be a 2020 seat. and then again on the areas that would naturally be also 20-20 seats would be C and E. So that's what this map represents. And again, I'm just trying to hear different inputs from the community and work with my colleagues so we can arrive at four votes for a good map. Thank you so much.

Pardon?

He said five, but he said four. We need five. Sorry, five.

Exactly.

Alright, do you want to go next, Councilman? Go ahead.

Sure, Mr. Mayor, thank you. Yeah, I like the C4 map because it resembles a lot of what we have right now. A lot of the council members that are up here already have forged a lot of relationships with people in that community. So if you look here, I'm holding up the current map, and it's similar. It's similar to what it is now. And of course, we wanted to make sure that we had the Vietnamese community to have their own ward. And that's what this is all about. And map four represents that.

It doesn't really disturb, according to the old map, it doesn't disturb it too much, this current map right here. And it also does keep both of the current council member elects out of the same ward. So I am supportive of that. And that's my comment, Mr. Mayor.

okay we have additional comment councilman vince armiento thank you and so um madam city attorney

if you can just remind us of what we um and i know uh special counsel is here who was with us at the hearing i believe it was on the 30th of october so we went through this exercise before i'm just wondering why we're doing it again even though um we this is this could have been second reading on the map that we had voted on on the 30th correct so as you may recall when we had that first meeting

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

on the 30th um council member salario asked us at that time well two two things first we talked about the idea that we hadn't done the sequencing at that meeting we purposely said that we had kept sequencing out so that we could just address the map at that meeting council member salario had specifically asked special counsel myself whether there could be any minor adjustments to the map and we said well it depends on the adjustments if they're minor yes you could move forward with minor adjustments without having a second reading when these new ideas were proposed we had a

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

conversation i met and at least spoke with um our special counsel and felt that these these changes if considered would be significant enough and if you were to do that then you would need to have

to reintroduce it as a first reading well no i recall that so i i thought that was all asked and answered because we said if any changes that were more than non-material changes were presented, it would trigger a new first reading. So, yeah, I get all that. I thought we were just here to discuss the sequencing. So that's what was explained when we were here and because that was left unaddressed at the hearing on the 30th.

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

Yeah, no, so at that meeting we did say that you would need to have a second reading, but I'll let special counsel address that. So this is an ordinance, so it would require a first reading and a second reading no matter

what so look i think that um you know and i i appreciate the council members efforts to do an additional map and an iteration of what we've discussed and i think there is some benefit to what i see here i see that um you know for lack of a better way of terming it north of 17th has always been a sort of um part of town that's demographically and socioeconomically different than the rest of town so i can see that that community being kept intact there is some value to that um you know the way i see this the maps are going to be a very temporary um you know

iteration i guess or version because after the census in 2020 which is only two years away we're probably going to have to revisit these boundary lines anyways because there are going to be population shifts there's going to be changes in in where folks are moving to so i just see this as sort of a, you know, maybe a stop gap or something to go ahead and move forward with now because there's time sensitivity. What I'm really interested in is to make sure that the sequencing is correct. That's what I came here and what I was prepared to address because I thought we had

already addressed the maps. So I'm sort of indifferent to the maps, I think, right now because I think they are so temporary and they can be adjusted to make sure that any communities of interest are made sure to be addressed. One of the benefits of the C versions, I think, is that there are more Asian population within those areas, right? District A or Ward A has, I think, 1,100 more Vietnamese registered voters within them, so that is a compelling reason for me to see that that's something that we could consider. But one of the things I want

to make sure that we do is not change the sequencing when it comes to that ward or that district. Right now we have it as it being on the 2020 cycle. And so to the extent we don't move that, I'm fine with whatever version we come to because I think that even though it wasn't stated in the claim, or maybe it was, I'm not sure if it was silent or it was specifically prayed for in the lawsuit but I think that you know because we're trying to address that community's concern that should be something that shouldn't be put off for the next four years right and be on the 22 cycle it should be on the general

election 20 cycle so so long as that's kept intact look I'm pretty neutral on this and you know I'm sort of agnostic on which version because we're gonna be looking at this again in a couple of years so I'm supportive so long as we can get to five votes because my understanding is that now if we don't get to five votes, we don't agree to a map, we're not being adverse to the lawsuit, but we're extending it and we're having council on both sides bill more time, which means more cost to our residents.

Yes, I'm desperately trying to save you money. So, first I want to just comment that…

We've had pro bono attorneys, by the way.

Just kidding. And I'm cheap at twice the price.

So, yes, several questions I heard in there that I want to respond to. One is that the Asian majority community or the highest percentage Asian will go first. That was part of the settlement. So that will be 2020. The only question then is what 3 and 5, which also go in 2020, which those will be designated. In terms of the sequencing, it was not addressed at the last meeting. And so the recommendation was, if you're going to, either way, whether you adopt a different map or whether you go with D2,

since the sequencing wasn't included in the first reading originally, that a new first reading should be done. We did recommend in the staff report for your MAP B2 as sequencing, which we felt was the least disruptive to the current sequence and so on. But obviously, you know, how you do the sequencing here is really up to the council. Ideally, you would not want to have anybody have to either sit out or run again after two years.

Well, what would have been helpful, and I'm not blaming staff for this, but I think what would have been helpful is, you know, post, you know, the elections, I think we'd be able to see where those that prevailed would reside. Correct. And then we could make a better idea to make sure we don't have two people in the same area or in the same district or ward. That is also instructive.

Yes. And that's part of why the recommendation in terms of sequencing for D2 actually changed from the initial recommendation to what we have in your staff report today. And finally, I do want to make one final point, which is that the redistricting that will come after the census likely won't happen until 2021.

So we may not have it done in time because of the time requirements to be in place for 2022. So you may have these boundaries for 2020 and 2022 before they get changed.

So, given those comments, I'd like to then go ahead and make a motion for this version of the map that staff has called Plan C4. And in terms of sequencing, consistent with staff's recommendation of less disruption and keeping the Asian majority seat a 2020 seat, that would make A, C, and E on the 2020 cycle. and so that is my motion at least just so we can continue conversation.

So he has a motion on the floor. Do we have a second? I'll second that. Can we have a first and a second discussion? Councilman Benavides?

A question for clarification. Previously, Councilman Soloria, I believe you mentioned A, C, and E. Right now you've mentioned D.

I don't believe I did, but A, C, and E. Because A, which is the ward on the left is the Asian American majority seat. Map, I mean, Ward E is largely Ward 3 that would naturally be up in 2020. And then C, the yellow area, is an area that overlaps a lot with Ward 5 that would also naturally be a 2020 seat. So again, to minimize disruption for the areas represented and incumbents in those areas, that would be consistent. Thank you.

More comment?

Any comment? We have a motion and a second. We want to take that before we take it. And where is our mayor at? Is he not going to vote on this item?

He stepped out.

Yeah, maybe if we can find Mr. Mayor.

Call a five-minute recess and wait for our mayor because we do have a motion and a second. So let me just call for a quick five-minute recess. I need to go to the ladies. So five-minute recess.

All right, I'm going to bring this meeting back to order.

I did.

Hey, we've got to change the ordinance.

Then you can't sing in public.

Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

you

we're going to call this meeting back to order i don't know where our mayor went but uh hopefully he will come back. So we're going to call this PD new order. We had a first and a second on C4. With sequencing. With sequencing of A, C and E. C and E going to the 2020 election. Correct. And we'd like to do that by roll call

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

vote if possible, Mayor Pro Temp.

Quick question for you, Madam City Attorney, and I know they asked just for just clarification purposes will this need a second reading or this is the second reading

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

um because you're introducing the um additional the revised map and because there's significant revisions we would ask you to take a first reading of this item with this coming back before this council on december 4th thank you very much may i have that mr mayor no a question what is happening

is that Councilman Solorio made a motion to move forward with C4 with the second with Villegas and that the sequence C would be A and C and E would go to the 2020 election and this would be considered a first reading. The second reading would come before us on December 4th.

Got it. Thank you for that.

Councilman Benavides. Question for the city attorney. With regard to this C4, if this is the map that is potentially approved, there's a recently elected council member in what would be Ward A that would potentially be up in 2020. So can you tell us what happens in that situation when the council member is recently elected and within two years?

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

So a council member who is currently in a ward that you're creating and where that election would go up for that ward in 2020, the council member who's currently elected is still elected at large and holds the at-large position for four years. That position doesn't – the term is not automatically reduced. It's just – it's held at large in that position. that council member could choose in two years to run for that particular you know from that ward if

that council member chose to do that so then if if they do run that person comes member were to run again in two years for that same seat they're successful the first two years don't count toward their term or term limits if you will it sort of be resetting the clock for them and the way that

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

the City Council adopted and the voters approved the term limit language in your charter you do not count it in completed term towards your term limit so if someone is elected and doesn't complete a full four-year term that's not counted so you need to complete three full four-year terms in order to be termed out

of office that council member could potentially serve 14 that would be one

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

of the potential implications of this that means that that council member would have to then run again in two years can we call that the vincent's armantola i did liken that to say that we do currently have a council member who served a partial term i didn't make that was able he did not make that rule and he benefited from it but he benefited if that person chooses

not to run however then they would just uh be at large if you will if their four term for their four-year term would expire and then they would just correct and then the term the ward under the

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

proposed C4 map which would go up for a lot would then go up for election in

22 so that person could move and run later yes and and the ward that's word right now F would potentially be unrepresented until after councilman Sarmiento that's the area he currently correct so yes okay so that clarifies I think there was some confusion question period and my I just that was a question and a comment, separate comment. I think some of what we've talked about is that there is any variety of different maps and boundaries that could work. We did go through the five meetings as was referenced. Very democratic process. Our community gave input, gave feedback.

There's integrity to that process. We landed on D2, which I think works. We voted on that one. The community spoke in general. the comments that we received were in support of D2. So my personal position is to move forward with what's recommended on our agenda, which is D2 and that cycle. I don't know. It doesn't seem like that's even been in discussion at this point. Just wanted to make that comment, and I'll just wait for the roll call and cast my vote at that time, Mayor.

Okay, so we have a motion and a second. Why don't we have a roll call vote?

Councilmember Sarmiento. C4. This is just on the C4 map not on the election

sequence. So it's the sequencing that's not referenced in our package. It's the new sequencing that was introduced by the council member. Yes, yes it's part of motion that was made you know i um i don't see this is my concern with and maybe you know i'm not prepared i'm actually prepared for to make a comment c4 i think is is is kind of negligible from c3 the only thing that was brought to my attention during our recess was that c4 breaks

up the downtown from the civic center and that's the only issue that i see that may you know may not be a good idea just because the downtown uh is is related to the um to the civic center in the sense that we have some mutual interest we have some common development ideas to the extent that it achieves everything with the exception of keeping the the downtown and the Civic Center whole I know there's a little part of Sandpoint as well that in C4 it kind of breaks it up a little bit but those two things are what's

troubling me right now with C4 versus C3 so I think what the council member I think has been supporting in the C iterations I think it's fine it makes sense it's just that one issue with the downtown and civic just just to respond

What I had also made during my comments was the key thing that created some changes in that D area is we have now based off the recent election, two incumbents that would both be in the same ward under the D map. And so this splits council members into two distinct wards. And on the downtown, that's the downtown neighborhood association. association, the downtown really is broader and even our current map as Councilmember Villegas showed me. Our current maps also split up the downtown and it's just one of those things that are trade off when you make any of these choices.

But the driver for those changes were you were going to have two incumbents in the same ward for the next four years that would create adversarial relationships.

So my question, I guess, then is, does C3 put Councilmembers in the same district or board? Yeah. Where are you looking, Councilmember?

On C, on the original C that we discussed at the last meeting, and maybe our clerk could better address where these two incumbents live. but one of them lives in so looking off of map c so i'm looking at c3 in particular so that's the

one so that that's the one i'm asking does that one cause two council members to be in the same

district c three you're okay actually actually c3 actually is a newer version as well uh that would be i think it achieves what you're trying to achieve it would be largely with i did notice As we did notice, it does split up Sandpoint into two separate wards. And I know there was one resident here actually that mentioned that the neighborhood association has voiced opposition to being split up, so they prefer to be together. So really it's-

C4.

So really that's why C4 is a little bit better, but C3 isn't horrible either.

Okay. Well, again, I think that, you know, it depends on who, where the harm is, right? It's either in the down, not harm, but maybe impact is a better word than harm. What are we impacting? We're impacting either the south or some of the central. So, again, I think the C versions are fine. I think they're pretty negligible on the changes. my preference is on C3 so you know I'll wait for the vote I'm still kind of

delivering so I want to make a substitute motion to move forward with C3 and for the reasons being as we move and and I know we don't want to split and this is the reason why is that if we look at currently what we're experiencing with the homeless issues, our civic center, our downtown, we're going to need a champion. And for the most part of my 12 years on this dais, I have really pushed the downtown. And at one point, prior to it changing, I actually had the civic center as well. And it was changed because they wanted to give me more parks because I didn't have any parks. And that was the main reason why it changed.

And so as we move forward with C3, I think it's imperative as we want to create place and we want to continue with economic development in our downtown, we can't exclude the Civic Center. And we want to make sure that we have, now that we're going to district elections, you're going to have representatives, we want to make sure that we have a certain or certain champions to make sure that they're able to spearhead and really focus on the Civic Center and its downtown. When you have two separate folks representing and different interests,

we may not be able to move some of the initiatives that we want to move forward as we move forward as a city.

Question or-All right, go ahead, yes. So the Sandpoint area, I understand I wouldn't want to split them up, but even though we did, if we voted on a map that put them in two different wards, they still are the same neighborhood association. They're still working together, still looking out for each other. And we all live in the city of Santa Ana. And with that, I can support C3 to keep the Civic Center together.

So I'll accept this as a friendly amendment, that they're all in the same family.

Okay, so we're at C3 now. Okay, as a friendly amendment. Okay, well, it would be a whole new motion, I think. Well, it's a whole new motion, but he's only changing that portion. Everything else stays as soon. Yeah, the sequencing doesn't change. It's just C3.

And the attorney is saying, yeah.

instead of C4 out. So we're good. All right, roll call vote.

Council Member Sarmiento.

Aye.

Council Member Tinejaro.

Aye.

Mayor Pro Tem Martinez. Aye. Mayor Pulido.

No choice. Aye.

Council Member Benavidez.

No.

Council Member Villegas.

Aye.

Council Member Solorio.

Solorio, aye.

Unanimously approved.

Okay. So with that, some people are happy. So can we ask how much we just saved the city?

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

I will say your decision just saved you approximately half a million dollars, so congratulations.

All right. So, again, some people are happy.

So, with that, now can we leave early? Mayor Pro Temp suggests we adjourn early. No.

All right. So, where are we now, Madam City?

55-8.

55A?

All right. I want to entertain a motion on 55A. Motion to approve. Second. Those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Those opposed, motion carries.

55B as in boy, I want to entertain a motion. Motion to approve. Second. Those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Those opposed, motion carries.

Mr. Mayor? Yes. 55B, I know we're going kind of fast. Did we hear 55B yet or no?

Yes, you voted yes.

No, I did not vote yes. I think, I'm not sure how that happened.

All right, well we can, we asked for the vote. We didn't hear anything. Okay.

Do you want to vote again or you want to discuss something? I'd like to vote again, but maybe my comments may also. Go ahead, make comments and we'll vote again. Yes, I do have concerns with this resolution. There's one classification where a position would change from a manager position to a higher level of supervisor, but with the same pay. And I don't know that that's good HR policy or that legally that's that good policy. but if we are elevating the role of a certain position, typically the salary range changes as well.

So I don't know if that was a typo in the document that it had the same salary range, but it does not make sense to me or policy-wise to elevate someone's role but keep them in the same salary range. Thank you, sir. Good evening.

Stephen Pham, Executive Director of HR. You've raised a good question, sir. In this case, what I'm trying to do right now is to bring the classifications in line with the marketplace. I didn't believe that this is the right time to address the compensation issues just right before we start negotiating with other bargaining groups. And also when I looked at the compensation level, the position has been paid fairly well. and that I believe we can address that at the later time when I'm looking at a complete classification review along with compensation internal alignment.

And that's why I just wanted to address the classification title at this point, but not the compensation piece.

I just believe that in the past, whenever we've elevated the roles of positions, we also changed our salary range. And that doesn't mean that that individual gets automatically a salary increase, increase, but they are in a place where the range is commensurate with the new higher elevated position. So, I mean, I don't think that's a good policy to give people more responsibilities and pay them the same. I don't know what the gender of the employee is, but I would be especially concerned if the position of that individual is a female. And again, I don't know whether it's male or female. So for those reasons, I'm voting no.

maybe we might want to continue it or my colleagues and when I support it or if staff has no changes then it's up to my colleagues but I do not feel it's a

it's a good good policy or precedent. So to your point the position does not increase any responsibilities I believe the position is under it's not titled correctly she is supervising people but the title is not correctly I wanted to

bring it in line with the industry. But then you just contradicted yourself. If now they are going to supervise, then they should be in a different salary range. And again, these are just my comments. And I don't know if our city manager wants to continue with this as a whole or what my colleagues want to do. I just don't think it's good policy.

Mr. Mayor, a question for the city attorney. This matter has been voted on. If we wanted to reconsider, I think any individual council member, any of us could potentially correct our vote or speak out but if we were to want to reconsider what we have to

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

both reconsider what's what's up yeah i mean technically the mayor did call for um a vote

on this matter yeah and i and i thought nobody opposed it so and then i was moving on but then council member just misunderstood or missed it so the council member would like to note a no vote on

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

the item we we could note that vote if you want to have a open discussion on the item you could reconsider it. It's really up to the Chair, unless the Chair's decision is over.

What would you prefer? Do you want to vote no?

I'd prefer honestly a two week continuance so that our colleagues can get more information about whether this is ongoing policy and again I worry about gender dynamics as well.

I guess we could have a new motion that would take that previous.

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

And then you're going to need to have a motion to reconsider it, right. If you're going to do anything other than approve it or note a no vote, then you're going to have to have a motion for reconsideration and open up the discussion.

All right, I'll entertain that if Council is open to that. So you want to move for reconsideration?

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

Well, he can't. I'll make a motion for reconsideration.

All right, is there a second? I'll second just with comment. Let's remember this is a resolution.

All right, so with that, those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Those opposed? No. Okay, you've got a couple of no's. So now we're reconsidering it.

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

Do we have a majority vote to say yes to reconsider? Yes, we do.

We had two no's.

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

Can you please note them?

Council member Benavides and Tinajero.

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

Thank you.

So now we're reconsidering it. What is your motion?

I'd like to move for a two week continuous on this so we can get more information.

Is there a second? Second. Those in favor, please say aye.

Mr. Mayor, just because you're going very fast, just on the information beyond what was provided, I guess the question for our HR director, because I just have to say that he's done an exceptional job and he thinks things thoroughly. And so I guess the information that was provided and what information is being asked of you, is that going to change your recommendation?

Mayor Pro Tem, as we're standing here tonight, respectfully, I would not change my recommendation. The position is compensated properly. If I change the compensation, I will create compaction issues that already existed. The position is already supervising people. The title is wrong, and I'm simply correcting the title to reflect what's out there in the marketplace.

Thank you, and that's exactly what I wanted because we've had these compaction issues, and so maybe you just need to just sit down with Councilman Solorio and explain the compaction issues and what we've had. We've had them for many years. We did fix them a couple years ago, in particular with our directors. But we still have a lot more of issues in regards to that. And we do need to fix that, and I want to thank you for that. And maybe we just need to go over that history and that explanation so that we can get everybody to those levels where they're supposed to be.

Right, and for example, that information is not in the staff report, as well as the issue of policy. when you're changing someone's classification for a higher level we typically do to change the range. That doesn't mean you change their salary necessarily. So in terms of historical practice, I'd like to know whether what you're recommending is commonly done in our city and others or whether it's unique for other situations. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. So with that, those in favor, well, I think we're already working. correct those favorably say aye aye aye aye those opposed no okay we had two no's on that

all right so let's uh go on with item

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

you got a lot of items

I've been very quiet.

But you're not the only one on the council.

That is true.

65A.

A motion?

We have a presentation. We have this one.

Alright. Well, we can if we want.

We have somebody in from the consultant that we hired from out of state, from I think Georgia.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the Council. Over the past year, a creative committee has been working to develop and identify a new brand and logo for our city. The city partnered with a company called North Star. North Star Destination Strategies is here tonight. Mr. Ed Bartle will be walking you through a presentation, and he will be doing it very succinctly, he has promised, to make sure Council gets through this. So we'll be going through the spirit of how he got to where he is, where he is, and then future steps. Thank you very much.

Mayor, council members, good to see you again. Appreciate the opportunity to give you an update here to the branding project. And I will, even with my southern accent, will try to move as quickly as possible and respect everybody's time. So a little bit about Northstar's process here. we had a lot of research, several months of research went into the top of this hourglass. What we're after is to get what is distinct and ownable for this great community. So at the neck of that hourglass, a strategic DNA statement. And then how to articulate that, present that, how to bring that to life throughout the community.

And so just in review, this is something that you approved following all the research. a very strong and distinct DNA statement here for Santa Ana, a place that welcomes the celebration and understanding of all and elevates cultures and everyday narratives into a colorful, vivid, sensory experience. And so as we move into the bottom half of that hourglass, foundational creative tools are part of that. A lot of people think brand is about a logo and a line, but it's far more than that. So we're going to share these creative tools with you, but then show you a body of work on how this can be put to work for the entire community.

And so we've been doing this for 18 years. I've been a part of it for more than 10. And we really have not seen a community with richer imagery and vibrancy than Santa Ana, as you saw in that strategy statement. And so as we get to these creative tools, we evaluated with a small creative committee here, doing some hard work, as Stephen mentioned, over the last year. Your current tagline, lots of equity in that downtown Orange County. Our recommendation and the decision by the creative committee was to stay with that line, the equity that you have in it,

but move towards evolving that into perhaps short you can use downtown Orange County or downtown OC or even working toward the future of DTOC. You see the original content mentioned there as we talked about as I showed all of those vibrant photos. So we want to use this brand to showcase all of the original content, even some of which we learned about earlier today in this meeting, as you recognized, many in the community.

Logos, as we approach the design exercise, what is iconic here in Santa Ana, what can graphically represent this community. No one mark can exactly do that, but it can help tell the story. We want to be sure that it's professional and sophisticated, but absolutely distinct. So we even start with sketches. We look at monograms. And so you can see here that the S and the A for Santa Ana can come together and form one of your iconic images of the green parrot. And so the creative committee choosing a color palette and a logo here.

And we're going to show you how this can come to life throughout Santa Ana. DTOC is downtown Orange County not just downtown Santa Ana. Another creative decision is a visual direction so you start to see how this can be put to work with photography style and how that bird gives the framework how that parrot gives the framework for featuring all of this original content and some headline ideas as well. The bottom half of that hourglass is a full two to three year implementation plan and so for the sake of today we've organized this work giving

teasing a bit of that with you in these five sort of categories and so we'll start start with organization you don't want to manage your brand by committee so we give a lot of thoughts and give you direction on choosing a brand leader and giving that brand leader tools like letterhead as you see here and PowerPoint because a lot of presentations will be made to the community to understand this brand and this new look. We have a full PR plan in the implementation plan as well. Part of that

recommending a sort of friends of group but you can see here recommendation of the Santa Ana alas council or wings featuring the bird and so using social media as as a tool to communicate with those ambassadors but tools that they can also use but again really leaning into that original content we demonstrate how different departments or partners can use it with logo variations. One of the most important tools that you have is a city website. I know that you're

currently redeveloping yours. This is our recommendation not just for a city website for say city services that you offer that has a lot of content on it but our recommendation is a portal website, a one stop for all things Santa Ana from economic development to city services to visiting our tourism the arts the culture education flavor and so rotating from photo banks here as you see the navigation moving on the left so very vivid very bright that sensory experience that santa anna

delivers sharing original content giving people space to do that and featuring social media and calendar of events. Just simple things that you may already do. Planning calendars for different meetings, planning downtown OC's original content, uniforms and city vehicles as you rotate in new vehicles or redo decals. That's when you can apply these new marks. You see the public works here. merchandise or if you have city employees that wear this type of apparel

and some fun with skateboards for your skate parks and residents that will want to wear their brand with pride. So you can see even featuring this in infrastructure here in the fence at a skate park. So lots of texture and color with this brand. Lots of cool patterns. merchandise, hats, shirts, partnering with the arts organizations and giving a way to feature this for kids or adults,

and partnering with schools, whether this is merchandise or giveaways or partnering with the music programs in schools, a fun application that could be merchandise and people could purchase or for outdoor events or parks and rec. And even your hospitals and health care partners getting involved with branded things. Now, economic development and business, a great audience for your brand, very clean, very sophisticated. And so economic development needing some tools to communicate, customizing inserts,

having their this is the existing structure that you have for your trade show booth great way to communicate that vibrancy of Santa Ana as a place to do business showing some options for partner logos and wave for ways for small businesses or large businesses to demonstrate their partnership in the brand getting small businesses or other different businesses across Santa Ana involved, just a few ideas to get you started. The implementation plan will go into greater detail, so garment bags for quinceanera dresses or original

content flights at a

brew pub or gastropub. You've got a helicopter tour group at your executive airport where you can do wraps on theirs. You make these great board shorts so your brand can go far beyond your borders as you partner with them in a particular line of board shorts. Dining guide, great food here. I always enjoy and look forward to it when I get to visit. You are already doing something like that. It just shows you how you can use that tool with the brand. Giving artists here a way to interpret

this. An artist has perhaps built or designed a selfie wall that could be different places in Santa Ana where people will take their picture and share on social media. Using outdoor boards to advertise the brand and your events even can serve as entryway signage. Taking your existing events and doing Snapchat filters or having participants custom aprons or armbands and ways to use the brand to support those events. Getting kids involved and families, whether they're residents or visitors, on searching for the original content throughout

the community. Getting your eSports arena involved, whether these are things people can purchase or tournaments that they host. Different consoles, pins we've already shared, different stickers or even the shapes of such for coasters, more merchandise, whether that's hand sanitizer or apparel, just ways to keep the brand in front of people in ways that they would regularly use and enjoy.

Back in my day, this was called a fanny pack. The design team tells me they're back in style. They're called hip bags, so I'll let them tell me that. Fun use of the brand here on flip flops and for wine bars or executive gifts. Corkscrew. Your infrastructure. A 3D canvas for the brand. So this plan is not how and where to place the logo or just putting your logo wherever you can. Some of these will take planning and investment. But you want to look for those things that you're already doing.

space is limited as you enter Santa Ana but a way to use some retaining walls that are already in place and then some easy signage to define those borders. A couple of options here for you. You've got great wayfinding as you need to update those, updating that with these elements and the color palette. So looking a little bit closer here. the taking your throughout the community but also even beyond engaging folks with the brand as people move through the community poll banners are great way to define a space

and so you can see the different ways that you can do that featuring the brand but also events and showing these in place there at the transit center. Using bare walls to engage folks throughout Santa Ana and getting partners in that way. This looks like a crosswalk, and it could absolutely be that, but this is also an art installation where these birds in flight are actually hanging above. And so you have a very iconic water tower.

We've seen your water tower and the existing treatment and logo on it in tattoos, which very much impresses us. We've never seen that before, but you could apply the bird and the brand to that. Something very recognizable or even projection. So this is not painted on this, but would be projected on that.

So I hope I have moved quickly enough but given you a flavor of how this exciting brand, it's not just about a logo online, it's a way to bring all of the original content here in Santa Ana to life with all the different partners here in the community. So I'm happy to answer questions.

Mr. Mayor, I have a Go ahead First I wanted to thank you for all your work these past months and probably years now We look forward to continue to work with you and the content of your work Especially all the outreach that you did and the feedback that you brought back was very good And I know, but I don't know that it was highlighted enough I know a lot of that feedback you placed into something that was called like a brand statement or a brand that competitive advantage that I thought was very strong and compelling and that I really appreciated. Maybe if you can bring that up.

I moved a little fast, so I apologize for that.

Maybe if you could restate that and speak to how you arrived at that.

Yeah, so our process as that hourglass or if we went low tech and you just drew an X on a piece of paper. So this is what we've gone through, as you mentioned. It has been a couple of years. So we did a lot of intensive research within the community, talking with as many people as we can and different surveys, qualitative and quantitative. We also got the outside perspective outside of Santa Ana. We studied the neighbors and the competitors and the contacts. And so at the neck of this hourglass is that strategic DNA statement. And so while we didn't review all of the research.

It was just hard to read from here.

It is. So I'll read the whole thing to you. for those seeking the energy of an urban and artistic setting, Santa Ana, Orange County's downtown and county seat, welcomes the celebration and understanding for all, and elevates cultures and everyday narratives into a colorful, vivid, sensory experience.

I think that captured really well the dynamic spirit of our city.

Well, thank you. The research led us there, and then that guided all of the creative work and implementation planning that was the bulk of today's.

presentation. Could you speak a bit to the how you landed on on the image of the parrot and that discussion I had an opportunity to be a part of the committee along with Mike Wiseman from Amusement Park formerly DGWB one of our arts commissioners uh i think one or two other folks and and then also one is on on the image of the parrot and then the other there's a question as to whether there has been community input on on the logo and the brand and and the committee actually remember asking you about trying to go

out to the community first and and you had a very uh clear reason for bringing that before council to roll it out from here and maybe a little bit about how the impact that branding has had another other cities and why you go about it the way you do it yeah I'll try to answer all of those questions succinctly and so and I don't know if we want to put the logo back back up there but one of the decisions for the creative committee was was a logo so we started with language which first we had all the conversations about downtown Orange County or different lines to consider.

And then the challenge for the design team and for the creative committee is to identify a mark that carries this strategy forward, gives you a framework to tell that interesting story. So the tagline or strap line or slogan, whatever term you like to use, and the logo need to work in tandem. They don't always have to do the same sort of lifting. So it's hard to represent a community as diverse with all the great advantages of Santa Ana in one single mark.

mark, but in the different options that we considered, we felt very strongly and recommended to the committee, and you received it well and had lots of good discussions about it. This is not your normal municipal mark. It's clean, it's sophisticated, it is uniquely Santa Ana. It lets you tell that story of original content. It lets you tell the story that came through the research of that sensory and vivid experience and all of the great talent that is here.

And so by staying with your line, you have that equity built and gives you a little more freedom to have a strong and distinct logo. And so it's not the safest choice, but it will be a very hard, hardworking. Now, everybody's not going to like a particular logo. Creative is very subjective. But what we want as a community brander is to get people behind a strategy. And so while someone may not like part of the color of this, we understand that.

But this, as you even see with what we share today, can help all aspects of the community. Now, as far as creative input on or community input on creative, we find in all of our many years of doing this, there's an inverse relationship with the size of the folks evaluating creative and the quality of the output. And so that's why we try to keep that small.

small. We have seen communities do contests and such and sometimes the output can be fine, but it's not always as effective as you really want it to be. So it may have get votes from a broad number, but it's not going to be very hard working. And so you've invested a lot of time and money in uncovering this strategy and so we want to advise and direct the best route with our expertise in achieving that and so we don't want to make this a referendum on a logo and a

line or a color palette or any one piece that we've shared here today it's the body of work and what this can mean for the local business community for economic development for neighborhoods for schools, for kids' arts programs, all aspects of Santa Ana that makes it such a rich and vivid place? I'm not sure if it – did I answer all of those or touch on them? I hope. Yes, I think the only – well, I think you did touch on it, the rationale behind sharing it to Council first. I think, again, the question about whether there was community input on the logo itself.

I think for me, I'll mention it took a little bit. This is bold and different from the more that urban landscape image and logo that we have that we've gotten accustomed to. So it took a little bit of getting used to, I think, for some of the members of the committee. but it did after a little bit of looking at it, processing it and seeing how this is really in a lot of ways unique to Santana the vibrancy, the excitement of it, the story behind the parrot that thrives in an urban setting that tells a lot about the grit of our city, of our community

so after thinking through that, it really grew on me and I think other members of the committee and I think there's a lot of opportunity here and I think for some folks maybe here hearing it and seeing it for the first time perhaps I'm not sure if everybody had an opportunity to sit with you one-on-one there's a lot there again a

lot of potential so that's my comment maybe one cent thank you to staff and thank you to our consultant I appreciate you all bringing this before us I know Councilmember Benavides has been a strong strong voice and advocate for wanting to brand the city and I think it was a few years ago or years ago that I know that we didn't have the funding for it a while back and so I'm glad that we had a chance to study this we had a good discussion I think when we when we conversed over the phone so

here's here's my problem like you said there are so many opinions on you know taste and creativity and imagination and what captures maybe a city my problem with it is that our logo that we have right now or the symbol that we have which is the skyline in sort of a sunburst there's been a lot invested in that right and so you know you lose that when you divert and this is a drastic departure from that right i mean there's no doubt about it i mean it's not anything close to what we've had and so when i look at our water tower and you know when our city manager changes

the colors on it depending on what theme it is it really does look pretty incredible i mean when you drive down the five and you see it p and you know as i was talking earlier you know i walked into the store where it had t-shirts and sweatshirts and it had the logo and on hats and on shirts and sweatshirts it's pretty catchy you know because it tells a story that we're an urban city and that's something that I don't find from a parrot. You know, when I see a parrot, I think about Florida, or I think about like, you know, the Everglades or something else, something completely counterintuitive

to what an urban setting is. And I'm not saying, you know, these are just sort of thoughts that I think I shared with you as well. It also just doesn't seem like it tells the story of our people. Maybe we do have parrots, you know, that fly around the city, and I've seen them, but it doesn't really tell you this is a very multicultural multi-ethnic downtown classic architecture i don't know i just think it it misses a little bit i really like the water tower on our existing one because it shows this is a spurgeon building this is something that we're really proud of right preserving our

our architecture and our heritage and and that um history so you know i think to the extent that you're bringing this to us hopefully you won't take these as hostile criticisms you'll take these as constructive criticisms one thing I would suggest you go to is our arts and culture Commission you might have mentioned that and I might have missed that but you know they're a Commission that's vested with trying to address some of these questions right they've done great jobs on murals on different pieces of preservation and arts that we have throughout the community so as you go talking to members in our community make

sure you stop in on the on the Commission and get their thoughts as but thank you very much for all the hard work thank you it looks like you've invested a lot of time

any other comments um i know there's a receiving file i just want to add some thoughts uh one do you guys do you have comments sir um look i just don't see this um i agree with the comments about urban and and and a different image if you could go back to the s and the a real quick because you got this merging thing going on um i don't see that at all i mean i see an s and an a but then when you merge it all of a sudden you create an orange beak on the one side and i

i like that but i just don't see it from there now you got a little blue feather on the other side that's not the S of the A. Now you've got a green tail on the bottom that's not the S and the A. The only thing I see is the belly, that green belly on the side that's part of the S. So you're taking letters and we could do this with any letter or any two letters and merge them and say here's what we got. So I don't think anybody's going to say oh the parrot that's an S and an A that they merged. Even if you showed this to every kid in school over and over and over again I don't think it would get us there. So look

I love parrots. I love the green parrot. I know it's something unique to the city. I just don't know that I would like our city to be known as the parrot city.

I really, you know, kind of scratched my head on that one. So I think you've done a lot of good work. There's, you know, your mission statement and meeting with the community and getting some thoughts. but I just can't support and in good conscience say, you know, yeah, bravo, let's go, let's start putting it up on the water tower. I much prefer what we have right now. And I think in the downtown we're starting to get, you know, DTSA, just the letters. People are starting to put them on T-shirts and things and starting to create a strong brand for the city. You know, we're going to have a skate park down there pretty soon.

I bet you a bunch of young kids are going to be doing DTSA and all that. You can do that in different ways. And I get it. The whole city is not the downtown. But you're talking about a brand here. You're talking about something you want to communicate. You're talking about pride. You're talking about a logo. And I know this is tough. We're talking about something that's very subjective. And you've got to be sitting there at night saying, what am I going to come up with? Because you've got to come up with something. And there's a lot of good work that's been done here.

And it's not as obvious as a Huntington Beach saying, well, we're going to do a surfboard and call it Surf City. I mean, that is a little bit of a no-brainer for them. Or Disney, where pretty much Disneyland does a lot of stuff for them, the ducks and other things. That's a no-brainer for them. Or the Irvine Company that takes Irvine and says, you know, everything's going to be, if that parrot were in Irvine, it'd have to be in conformance with their homeowners association. It would probably be brown with a little tiny bit of dark brown or something. We don't want that either. We want something different.

And I believe what we're doing organically and naturally is taking us in a good direction. So I know this is a receiving file. You want input. That's my input. Michelle, you want some input?

I have no comment.

Oh, my God. Juan did something. What did Juan do?

I told my mentees when I was in Washington, D.C. if I have nothing nice to say, I'm not going to say it at all.

No, but this is constructive criticism. But look, I don't know what Councilor Villegas did, but he told her not to have too many comments today. And she went down to three comments for the consent calendar. How come you didn't do this earlier, Juan?

Took some time to figure out. You're figuring out at the very end.

Hey, we'll take it.

thank you all right so so uh we have a motion to receive and file second

i don't know i said we have a motion i'll make the move and i'll second with a comment this is uh i don't know if we know how much we've invested a lot into this lot of time and effort and a lot of exactly this is a final product that is being presented to us by north star so thank you for for your work it sounds like it's going to sit on a shelf and collect dust potentially nothing against you know your your your work hard work unfortunately there isn't at least at this point the energy behind it maybe at some point the staff economic development maybe the chamber can also review some

of this and and we can circulate it among that the business community and see if there's gain some traction and council decides to give it a second look. I know it's on the agenda for the Economic Development Committee next week. We can discuss it further at that point and go from there. Thank you.

So with that, we have a motion and a second. Those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed, motion carries.

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

Mayor, this is the item which you asked me to remind you. Correct.

I'm going to turn it over to Mayor Pro Temartinez. Thank you. I don't vote on anything cannabis now for a couple years. I'm going to be consistent with that.

And Madam City Attorney, I'm going to recuse myself as well, even though I have an opinion letter from the FPPC, which allows me to vote on these matters, but as an abundance of caution and to be consistent, I'll be recusing myself as well.

Don't go too far.

Yes. So 65B is an ordinance establishing a cannabis public benefit fund to be used solely for the youth services and enforcement services. The recommendation action is to place an ordinance for first reading and authorized publication of title. Do we have any members of the public that wish to speak on this item? I have not received any. We do not. Okay, I will open it up to my close, the public hearing, as we have no members of the public wish, and bring this back to my colleagues. Any comments?

Sonia R. CarvalhoItem —

I would also just note that we did have a correction page in front of the City Council members this evening to clarify the one-third of the revenue going towards youth services and one-third towards enforcement services. Thank you for putting that on the record.

We make a motion approved.

Second.

All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passes. Mr. Mayor, Councilman Sarmiento, we're going to be moving on now to 65C, which is approval of terms for resident vehicle incentive program, and I think that item was continued. Yes, that's fine. So we're going to be moving forward to 75A. Oh, actually, we did that 75A, right?

Yeah.

Yep. And we are off to 75B, which is time and place now to hold the public hearing to consider the mitigated negative declaration of the general plan amendment change designation of properties at 301-431-2321 East 4th. and to change the zoning of the properties at 301, 325, 401, and 234th. We have our staff available for questions. Do we have any members of the Republic that wish to speak at this time? I have not received any questions. If not, bring it back to the Council for consideration. Close the public hearing.

No, let's consider it.

Consider this for approval. We have a first.

I have a question for...

Is that a second and a question or just a question? Do we need a second?

Second, Martinez.

All right. Now, go ahead.

For staff, just what the implications of the general, what's prompting the request for the changes in zoning and the implications for that property in that area? Sure. Good evening, everybody here. The request came before us by the owner of the property at the southeast corner of Fourth and Teston. Currently there's a gas station and a car wash there. They want to demolish that gas station and demolish the Al Zocalo restaurant to the south and build about 8,000, a little over 8,000 square feet of commercial space. So that's what's triggered this application here. So the zoning is professional office. It needs to be commercial.

So it's a zoning and general plan consistency chain. The property owner of the gas station also owns the restaurant. To the south, correct. Yes. That answers my question. Thank you. Thank you.

We have a first and a second. All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Those opposed? Motion carries. What's our next item then? 75C? Yes. Okay, this time in place for the public hearing item

75C. And I'm going to open up the public hearing. Are there any speakers? I have not received any. Seeing no speakers, I will close the item and bring it to Council for consideration.

Mayor, motion to approve. Second. Those in favor, please say aye.

Follow up questions for staff. Go ahead.

When this first came to us, or this last came to us, a question for staff, and that this is a moratorium on cyber cafes and Internet access businesses. And I just want to see if there's been consideration to businesses or locations that might be, not every Internet access business necessarily has adverse effects of the community. in fact you see in a lot of communities, either urban settings or settings where families or individuals need internet access availing themselves of that by way of public libraries

or an internet cafe actually makes it so that again individuals who need that access have it. Have we factored that into… Yes. Can you address… Well, in fact what we're doing is we're just extending that so we can do a little bit more analysis. this is what this is allowing us. And that's definitely part of the consideration being taken so that we ensure that we don't just blankly put in a ban. So that's part of the options that are going to be considered. Okay. Thank you. Step for clarification.

All right. With that, I believe do we have a motion on this? Those in favor, please say aye aye aye those opposed motion carries now item uh 88 joint session of the city council and housing authority i would uh entertain a motion on item 80a motion to approve

those in favor please say aye aye aye motion carries and that that include item one and two under 80a um now we're going to recess city council and convene the housing authority I'd entertain a motion on the consent calendar items one through three.

Second.

We have a motion to second. Those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed, the motion carries. Our regular business items have already been considered. Are there any Housing Authority member comments? Seeing none, I will adjourn the Housing Authority meeting and reconvene the City Council meeting and ask for a city manager comments.

Yes, Mr. Mayor.

I have a couple. At first, we've been asked that I make this statement, so I want to just make this statement here regarding 3100 and 3120 West Central. I wish to advise the public that the city has abandoned its interest in acquiring the property at 3100-3120 West Central for any purpose, including a homeless shelter. The city has no present or future intent to acquire this site and was originally contemplated under the MOU between the city and the county of Orange.

Now that I've done that, I'd like to just briefly and quickly introduce to you our two newest directors. This is their first city council meeting.

So we have Catherine Downs, our new finance director.

Thank you. It's an honor to serve the City of Santa Ana.

And we have Lisa Rudloff, our new Community Services Parks and Recreation Director.

Welcome to the City of Santa Ana. Thank you very much. Nice to meet you all.

Catherine joins us from the City of Carson, and Lisa joins us from the City of Irvine most recently.

Thank you both. So with that, let's go to City Council comments. while we start on the right, Councilman Vince Armiento, please.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Before I just have a couple of comments, I know we're going to be adjourning in memory of somebody who left the city and left his family as well. Manny Pena, is this the appropriate time for us to go ahead and adjourn? Before I go there, I just wanted to say a couple of things. Number one, welcome to our new staff that are joining us. I hope you'll enjoy your stay here in St. Anne. As you saw, we try to keep it short, so we're going to try to do better. But I do want to call some attention and thank staff

and thank everybody who had a role in making the LINC temporary homeless shelter a reality. I think there was a lot of very, very good work that was done there. I want to thank my colleagues, especially the mayor, and especially Mayor Pro Tem. I think she went out of her way to do all she could to make sure she called attention to the issue. I think all of us realized that we were impacted, whether it was in the downtown, whether it was in neighborhoods, but I think it took a lot of energy and leadership to realize that this isn't just a Santa Ana problem, it's a regional problem,

but we took the right step in doing this because we had an issue that was not being addressed by the agency that was vested with that, which is the county. So I think this being uniquely a Santa Ana project, something that's going to serve Santa Ana residents and address an issue that impacts us specifically, as opposed to sharing the space with others that need to do the same thing that we are, which is addressing our problems. We can no longer absorb the problems of others.

You know, the reason why I think other cities have such a low homeless count is because they bring them in here to our city for services and they never go back. So that's what creates a very low increment for them of a homeless population because we absorb their problem. And so that's been the case for years, literally decades maybe. So to the extent that we're more vigilant about making sure that we scrutinize those that are going to be referred to the shelter and make sure that their origin was in Santa Ana. If not, they need to go to the city of origin that they came from to receive their services. So that's only fair.

That shows proportionality amongst the 34 cities in the county, and I hope that's something that staff is going to be very strict about. So thank you all, though. But I did visit before I left to a conference last week and was very impressed. I think that the facility was just incredible because it did segregate families from men and children away from adults, and that's something that you want. You want to make sure it's safe, that there's a place to eat and convene with your family if you have that. For single mothers, they have a space of their own as well.

So I think it really answered every question that I had, and it was probably one of the cleanest spaces I've been in in a very long time, and it speaks well to the work that was done. And to our Director of Public Works, who I believe spearheaded this to do this in 28 days with the help of his staff and everybody here, because every department touched this. It's an incredible feat. It really is. And so I think that we should be proud of it. It's a temporary space, but nonetheless, it's something that we can look back on. And for those of us who don't have much time left on this council,

I think it's going to be something that we look back on later, hopefully, as the homeless problem gets addressed better because of this site, what we can be proud of. So I want to wish everybody a happy Thanksgiving. Be safe. give thanks for all the blessings we have. Sometimes we may not see them as obvious, but just seeing our families and coming home to our families is something to be thankful for, and that's what a lot of people don't have. So I want to adjourn in memory of somebody who I mentioned, who I've known for years, and many up here on this dais have known for years,

Manuel Joseph Peña, Jr., who was known to us as Manny. Manny Pena was a fixture here. It was an institution in Santa Ana and specifically the downtown for years. I remember when the downtown had something called DeSava, the downtown Santa Ana Business Association. Manny played a very active role in that. He was always somebody who was eager to help, eager to lend a hand to, and he was somebody that always met you with a smile and always met you with a friendly gesture. gestures, so he will be very, very sorely missed. He's survived by his family, specifically

somebody who you may all know, Marlene Peña, who is a director of El Relámpago del Cielo. And so Marlene is somebody who is, you know, I think carrying on that legacy of her father through the Ballet Folclórico that she directs, so we do this in memory of them. Manny grew Grew up on the coast of California and moved to Santa Ana in 1973, where he resided here for 43 years. His passion was helping the community wherever he could. He was involved in many non-profit organizations, including Relampago del Cielo, Orange County Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, the Kiwanis Club, and as I mentioned, De Saba as well.

He's survived by his wife, Sandra, children Vicky, Richard, Marlene, and Lenora, and his grandchildren, Kevin, Louie, Madeline, Melina, Carlitos, and his sister, Patricia, and his brother, Guadalupe. Manny was proud of his heritage as a Mexican-Romanian American and told many stories of his childhood, including the time picking fields in the Central Valley of California. He worked alongside Herman Gallegos, organizing the youth in social justice causes. He was extremely proud of his children, each successful in their own way and in their own field, as well as his grandchildren, for having all attended and graduating from college.

Manny constantly spoke of the importance of education to all youth that he came in contact with and encouraged and stressed the importance of college. You know, even reading this biography of Manny, I didn't know he had a Romanian background in his family because he always wore, you know, it's funny, I was talking to Alvaro, who was wearing cowboy boots that he purchased over at R&R Sportswear. Manny had this iconic look to him. He could be dressed in a suit, he could be dressed in jeans, but he always had his boots. And I know he purchased his boots from R&R Sportswear downtown, but he was a very proud Santa Ana resident,

and he never hid the fact that he was ashamed to be here, and that's something that in years past, when the downtown wasn't as nice as it is today, Manny always spoke of the benefits of the downtown and of the city, and he was a great ambassador to everybody he came in contact with, knew the history of the city, and, again, his kids carry on that legacy. And so thank you, Mr. Mayor and colleagues and staff. I hope we remember Manny in our prayers and the Peña family who are not going to have him this holiday season. And I know he's going to leave a big gap and a big void, not only for his family, but the city family as well.

Thank you.

Thank you. Councilor Antinajero, please. Thank you very much. And I agree. Manny's certainly going to be missed. I also want to welcome the two new staff members that were coming in. I wanted to share with you with Parks and Recreation, I'm very excited that you're here. I think there's I'm excited I'm sure there's going to be a cultural shift there I think we have to go away from the bureaucratic you know when people come up and instead of it just being a no it's we can't do it that way but let me help you so we can serve you and we create a more customer service environment so

I've heard great things about you I'm excited that you're here so thank you so much for coming to the city of Santa Ana I just it's been a an election season I think that is was incredible how many people have actually come out to cast their votes so to all those that are still in it I wish you the very best of luck and I'm glad that we're still able to come in here and work as colleagues and to make sure that we move the city forward so I'm just very thankful once again to be able to serve on this council for the amount of time that I've been able to serve on it and it's been it's it's been a great ride so far with

all of our colleagues that are here. So just Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday. And so I'm very grateful and thankful to the staff and everybody here and everyone that makes Santa Ana great. So I'm going to end with that, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for those comments.

Thank you. Mr. Mayor, one, I would like to just welcome our new staff. I'm excited for the city of Santa Ana to have the caliber of folks that are here. And I wish you all well. And even if I'm away, if you need anything, I won't be so far to help in any way that I possibly can and truly wish you the best. The second thing that I wanted to discuss very quickly, as we exit out here and we have, you know, one more meeting before December 11th is, as we look at, you know, the city and we're moving into Thanksgiving, is that as we look at, you know,

what we've been able to accomplish even though when we had differences, I think it's important to recognize that. That we're not all supposed to be up here and be in agreement every single time. And I think when it's the big issues that really matter, like today, I think many of us thought we'd probably be here until 1 o'clock in the morning over the maps. But we came together to move the city forward and I think that's what's important.

And at the end of the day, I want to thank my colleagues for that because it really shows not only the residents but city staff that we're willing to put our political differences aside to move that city forward. And lastly, I was in Washington, D.C., so I didn't get to participate in the ribbon-cutting or the press tour of the homeless temporary shelter and just wanted to take an opportunity, one, to thank the residents because that's one thing that we haven't done yet. that many of our residents were in the chambers, provided input and emails to this council to move forward with a shelter that would accommodate 200,

and that's how we got to that. And so I want to thank those residents that were active, that were sending emails, and really holding us accountable. I think at the end of the day, and the way I coined this and phrased this when I took it upon myself to really get involved, I call it a P4. And that was putting people first and putting the homeless community first and the residents and why we were experiencing what we were experiencing with this crisis.

And then secondly, which is a P3, which was bringing the public and private sectors together to really move forward and make sure that we were able to construct and operate and maintain a system that would be able to be expedited with a delivery model that would get us to that 28 days. I think that's very important in how we were able to bring, you know, FWAD and this war concept. And then, more importantly, the network. That network is multisectoral, which means that we brought the county on board, we brought nonprofits on board, and more importantly, you brought an entire city council on board.

Look, a P3 cannot function. people we cannot do things for people if we don't have a network that we could those that the people can anchor onto and so that network is extremely vital as we move forward and we want to get anything done this is the way we have to get things done and that is bringing everyone along and so I want to also thank Mercy House and their staff and um you know because these guys have a lot going on and they are certainly not perfect but one thing that I can tell you is that that their compassion and their willingness to roll up their sleeves to get things done.

I was extremely impressed that they were willing to push the envelope, even though when the mayor said he wanted this shelter to be up in 10 days, which was way, was not going to happen, but to do it in 41 days was exceptional for Mercy House and its partners. And so I think this is a model moving forward, not just for Santa Ana, but for cities across the country, but also realizing that we have issues with regulatory. Government is slow by design, right?

And so being able to figure all of that out is going to be important, and every city is not the same. And so how we did it here in Santa Ana doesn't mean that Placentia is going to be able to do it. They don't have the same bandwidth that we have. the amount of employees and the resources that we were able to bring to the table in comparison to them. And so I would tell you, Mr. City Manager, that as you and your staff go out there and sharing this best practice, that you understand that what Santa Ana did, other communities may not be able to do that,

but being able to speak about this partnership and this network is what's important so that they can leverage their resources and more importantly their assets and that's their human capital to get something done like this and with that mr mayor happy thanksgiving to all of you

thank you councillor salario please thank you mr mayor i know you hop around so i prepare in advance so thank you first i want to thank the staff for putting on another very successful plaza navideña in christmas tree lighting uh including i was very impressed at our new parks and Rec Director attended on a Saturday evening. It was the first opportunity for me to meet you and for me to see that you were willing to go out of your way on a weekend to be part of that was noticed by me and others, so thank you so much for that. Regarding the shelter, the link, I want to

give a thank you to our Mayor, and he was there. Unfortunately, Mayor Portem Martinez was not there, but you were very much there in spirit. Michelle we know how much of your soul and your time you've given to that shelter and the cause overall. We will continue to do the good work and now it's up you know putting it to good use and we're investing dollars and we gotta make sure that we number one several humanitarian purpose and giving people a hand up for those that want a place to live and and learn and get services but this is also an opportunity for the city

and our PD to enforce its anti-camping laws. And I think there's a lot of interest in community leaders throughout our city to see the city cleaned up. And we all know that there are target areas where these problems are more substantial, whether it be, you know, the Park Santiago, the creek area, whether it be the Civic Center area, obviously, the area around the armory, the area around South Main Street and other pockets. And so, you know, the folks are going to be looking to see, do they feel safer? Are there less calls for service? Are there less issues in those problems areas?

So I know I've had conversations with our staff and chief and attorney and city manager regarding what our metrics should be, just so that we know that the investment that we're making is paying the type of dividends that we are looking for. Finally, I do want to thank my colleagues and staff for all the work. And again, Mayor Pro Tem Martinez said it well, we may not always agree. Government is not easy. Government is not always a straight line. But I think everybody up here cares about our city and wants to move it forward. So with that, Happy Thanksgiving to everybody.

Councilman Villegas, please. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I want to thank all the staff for all the hard work, long hours, long days, long weeks to make the homeless shelter realization, the link. So impressed. All of us here on the council were just very, very impressed. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for your leadership. And I have to recognize Mayor Pro Tem for all the hard work you did. I mean, there's just so much.

And now I know what you mean by when Judge Carter calls you at 10 o'clock at 9 in a text and wants to see you at 6.30 for coffee the next morning and be there. Because I get those phone calls, too. And wow. So thanks to his leadership on the bench also for looking out for us here in the city of Santa Ana. Because we do do an awful lot. And, you know, it's been, even though it just opened, I mean, it's a great success.

And I just, I can't say thank you enough to all the staff and everyone involved and my colleagues here for having the political will to push forward on that. Also, I want to say happy Veterans Day. I know we didn't have a meeting last week. I want to thank Comlink, Mr. Peter Katz, for the invitation for me to come out and speak to the members of Comlink and share my life in the military, where I served, and how it's, you know, my experiences overseas, what it's like to be in the military and where I came from. So it was really, really nice. Thank you again for the invitation.

And happy Veterans Day to all of my fellow veterans out there. also last weekend fiesta navideña with the tree lighting it was a great success thank you linda for coming out it's very nice to have you with us and thank you to our new staff you know welcome to santa ana and uh regarding mr manny pena manny pena i i met him a couple years ago but his daughter is my longtime friend 20 years at the sheriff's department worked together i didn't know that was her father. So once I met Manny, you know I worked near the

courthouse in Orange and this is a man who helps a lot of people and at his age he's still out there helping people with their court filings and filling out paperwork and such guiding people and I would run into him outside of court all the time every week sometimes twice a week and we would have coffee we'd have a little breakfast and i would sit there and yes uh council member uh sarmento with his boots check out his boots he had his boots on and his hat and his hat and god bless him it was uh it was uh honored to uh know

him and uh you know my condolences to the uh family and he he will be missed but not forgotten Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Thank you. Councilman Benavides, please.

Thank you, Mayor. I'd also like to welcome Ms. Downs, Ms. Ridloff, to the city of Santa Ana. Glad that you're here.

There's a lot going on in the city, a lot of great activity, and you'll soon get a chance to see some of that, particularly in the area of Parks and Rec, and you sort of had a taste of that this last Saturday with the Plaza Navideña. We have a lot of staff who are homegrown from Santana. This is their home, the family's home. They've been, the city has raised them and now they're contributing and giving back. We have a lot of wonderful residents, culture, richness and culture and deep history and Mr. Peña, Manny, was one of those has been shared, I think in a lot of ways exemplified that

spirit of just loving the city, the community, always looking to give back, to serve, to support. There's also been reference to the link, the new shelter. As I had an opportunity to visit it and see it from when it was just getting started and being framed. And then later seeing the final product last week. And I was really moved because it speaks of dignity to me, and that was some of what I shared.

While other cities and mayors, particularly Mayor Vervine, takes pride in having blocked a shelter from being brought into his city and campaigns on that here in the city of Santa Ana, we rolled up our sleeves and we tried to figure out how do we respond to the needs not only there's the adverse effects of the community in the neighborhoods and such of homelessness but we want to be able to to serve and address things with dignity with compassion as well and and uh i think one of the things that ties us together as

as council members and and and as people and is a lot is our families our parents our background They are either children of immigrants or immigrants ourselves, and particularly in this situation where there's been fairly an anti-immigrant sentiment. as I was walking into the link, I frankly was almost moved to tears to see the beauty of this space, of this warehouse,

that's been again created into a place that would in a dignified way treat some people that are down and out. and frankly I think a lot of what motivates and prompts us is what we learn from our parents from their struggles, their experiences their coming to this country and making a life and raising us in such a way so to me it spoke of a reflection of Santa Ana that immigrant spirit, that giving back, that caring for folks and when there's a need going out of our way.

I live in a neighborhood, one of the most challenging neighborhoods and lowest-income neighborhoods in the city, and that's what I persistently see and consistently see, folks that have very little, but when there's need in the neighborhood, there's a family who's struggling, people rally and come around and serve and support and give the little that they have. Sometimes even what they don't, they figure out a way to rally and be generous. And so as I'm being somewhat reflective, because as I'm winding down my time, and that experience just kind of helped me to see why I love this city so much.

And so to our new executive directors of Europe, that's part of what you'll experience and have the opportunity and privilege to be able to experience and be a part of this team, from city manager to his staff down to part-time park and rec person out there in the field. So, love this city, love this town, and definitely grateful to be able to serve. And with that, happy Thanksgiving to all. Thank you.

Thank you. I want to make a few comments about Manny Pena, because he was just such a fixture. He was so consistent. He always had that gift of gab. He would always be in a good mood, friendly, how can I help, you know, what's going on. and he reminds me almost of an era of people. Hector Godinus, for example, always wore boots as well.

It's just Wally Davis. Wally Davis as well. So Manje is really almost the end of a whole group of folks that gave a lot to the city for many, many years. But his family is still here. And now look at what's going on over at OSHA as it relates to that whole genre of music, which is el ballet folklorico. And they're very much renowned throughout the country for the high level of dancing that occurs. And, of course, his daughter is so active with that program there. And that's just a beautiful thing that we see.

so as we you know think about Manny I think you know I mean I've known him forever but I didn't know he came out of a neighborhood in San Jose that was called Sal Cipuetas get out if you can so apparently he did get out of San Jose and he came to Santa Ana or at least he got out of that particular neighborhood

and there's also a side by the way down in Baja and I don't know you know maybe the dirt roads or what but but he got out so and he came here and he and and he will be missed and and he donated and gave so much to the city I also want to mention that I believe on the right after Thanksgiving and And by the way, happy Thanksgiving to everybody. To everybody you all have a lot to be thankful for. But I want to mention that after Thanksgiving and before the next Council meeting on the 30th of November,

it's going to be a really important date here in the city because the Secretary of Transportation or folks from the Federal Administration are coming in, and they're going to do an official groundbreaking for the Orange County streetcar. And that's a big deal. Doing a project like that takes literally decades. Trying to get all of these forces to line up and things to happen and to come together, it's extremely difficult to do. And I think this will be analogous to what occurred in L.A. back in 1988, when Mayor Bradley started that first very short leg of a metro system in the downtown.

And now look what they have in Los Angeles. It's many years later, but they really have a pretty good transit system now where folks are going to Santa Monica and they're going to the downtown and, you know, they can get on the Metrolink and come here to Orange County. And it's really made a difference. So I think this is going to be something that's going to improve the city in a very significant way. I hope that generates a whole lot of money, a whole lot of tax revenue, you know, to give us more and more options as we try to continue to improve the city in the future.

And finally, I just want to talk a little bit about this homeless shelter effort, because I really think it was everybody coming together. I know at times Michelle and I would both be at the courthouse, and we'd take turns making comments, and we got this wild guy named Dave Carter, who's a judge, but he's really a Marine. and once a Marine, always a Marine, and he'd get us fired up and say, you know, why can't we just put up tents in two days? You know, let's just do it. And if anybody doesn't agree, you bring them in here and let me talk to them. And then, you know, all the mayors in the county coming in there

and everybody getting scolded because they're not doing enough. And then, you know, meanwhile, you know, we have to lead through example, and we did. but it was tough because folks are saying if you start a shelter in Santa Ana and everybody else doesn't go first you might be the only one at the end of the day I don't think so and the reason I don't think goes Judge Carter I you know he is going to stay on the bench enough because he was thinking about retiring but he's going to be there another couple years just to see this effort through and at the same time if we didn't do anything we didn't take our destiny into our

own hands we would just continue to drown in homeless as they come in from all over the county and beyond the county and yet we have no ability to react at all so that shelter it's only 200 beds but it's a lot more than 200 beds in terms of what it represents in the legal community and in the county community and and also in terms of how if there's a will there's a way and and mayor Martina Martinez is right she was saying you know I wanted it immediately and and you know staff was saying well you know

either there may have been some toxic waste outside the building and may you can't use it we have to go do an engineering study and and and and you did if you picked that building, but then, well, maybe there's another building. And I think that's where things started to really come together as everybody together started seeing how do we find better solutions. The bathrooms. You know, you can take the bathrooms and trench, and that's going to take a lot longer, but, you know, I think Fuad came up with the idea, why don't we put risers, elevate the bathrooms, so now we've got some two-by-fours, so we elevate them. You still have

all the bathrooms you need they work but you didn't build a bunch of trenches and concrete and sewer connections everything's above ground and it's beautiful and it's quick and it's there and and i'll tell you things are beginning to change because of that only a few months ago my good friend the mayor of uh tustin in this case called me up and he said we got a plan i said what's your plan well we're going to join you we're going to build our own shelter but the bad news is we're going to set up a committee and we're giving ourselves two years to find a site but we've got some ideas to where the site's going to be

and they actually wanted to settle the lawsuit based on that and I said look, if you really want to do something, you have to do it you can't say we're going to form a committee and in two years we have a limit on our deciding time so we did it in about a few weeks And then once the effort began, it got done in 28 days. Now we had folks from HUD, Michelle and I were there at 10 p.m. meeting with these guys from out of town just so that they could see what's going on with the shelter because they want to try to emulate that. But I'll tell you something else that they told us. It's very interesting.

Orange County is a county from HUD gets about half a million dollars because they have all sorts of different pots of money. The city of Houston is a city which is comparable to what we are as a county. They get something like $31 million a year in assistance for all sorts of different programs. So these efforts that we've made are going to have ramifications well beyond the immediate future. And it's going to posture Orange County as a stronger county and Santa Ana as a stronger city, better able to handle our future and take destiny in our own hands and continue to make us a blessed city.

So with that, I want to thank everybody. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving with your friends and families. And this meeting is adjourned.

I love you.

Thank you.