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All right. Good evening, everybody. It feels like we never left from last night. So for those of you who carried over from last night to today, good afternoon. This is a special City Council meeting for February 16, 2022 of the Santa Ana City Council. Let me go ahead and begin by making some opening remarks and calling the meeting to order. As usual, this meeting is taking place with in-person attendance as well as teleconference via Zoom, and the public can access the meeting via the Santa Ana YouTube channel or the city's website. And as usual, please bear with us as the technology may disrupt the flow of the meeting.

I'm going to go ahead and ask the Clerk of the Council to call roll, please.

Council Member Hernandez?

Council Member Hernandez, I see that you've joined us virtually.

Council Member Lopez?

David Penaloza

Here.

Council Member Mendoza? Here. Council Member Peñalosa?

David Penaloza

Present.

Council Member Phan?

Here.

Mayor Pro Tem Becerra? Here. And Mayor Sarmiento?

Here. Why don't we go ahead and start with the Pledge of Allegiance. I'll go ahead and call on Mayor Pro Tem if he doesn't mind leading us in the pledge for today.

Phil Bacerra

Absolutely. You guys would stand, place your right hand over your heart, and begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Great. Thank you, everybody. Let me go ahead and move along to the public comment section of the meeting. So we have some cards here for those of you who are in person who want to comment and address the council. And we, I believe, have some members of the public that are also going to address us by phone or online. So as usual, these will be limited to three minutes and if you can please state your name for the record we don't want to don't need to have your specific address but if you can tell us what part of the city if you live in the city you're from what ward that would be

helpful so let me go ahead and begin with Carl Benninger Jeffrey Katz and Patricia Santos Carl by the way did you see the the hockey game between

northeastern and what do they call that it's called the the bean pot the bean pot one nothing victor actually yeah one nothing i think was fun score of it and was boston university that ended up winning over northeastern i know i know next year that's family discussion

go ahead sorry no problem good evening mayor and council i appreciate this opportunity to speak in front of you and i do appreciate you guys elevating the discussion on this district redistricting map. I'll be here tonight to speak in favor of map F, formerly known as 86 566, and I like this map for a number of reasons, and the reasons why it doesn't disrupt many neighborhoods, it allows neighborhoods that have worked together, especially on my side of town, I should say I'm Ward 4 south side of town, to continue to work together under the same

consul person. It also ends up, if you look at the distribution, the plurality of all six of the wards meet exactly the standards that you guys have talked about. And in five of the wards they're fairly evenly distributed. And the one thing that I've seen some of you kind of jump away from is that it allows us to have representation all the wards through this. All the other maps do not allow that and in fact in some cases it puts council members running against each other and somebody who went through six seven months in which we didn't have

representation when Roman Reina resigned I just and we were at that time at wide at citywide vote into the wards now we get into the wards going six months without representation we're really going to hurt a ward and I don't want to see that and I don't want to see us do something as crazy as a county to where we have a person representing the district that she wasn't voted in or like Mission Viejo where they extended everybody's time for two years. I want to see that. So of all the other maps that I've seen this is the best one that allows us to do all of that. It may not be perfect. I know Councilperson Pham

talked about some changes and we're open to that. But let's move forward. I'm tired of hearing about white supremacy. I'm tired of hearing about protecting the black vote. If there's anything about all these numbers that look good to me is I see blacks all over the city. So it tells me that we have an open housing policy which is really great especially when myself growing up in the 50s and 60s and what I saw there compared to it. And so let's move on and narrow it down to a couple of maps, make the changes that we want to make, and again I'm supportive of MapF. Thank you. Thank you Carl. Jeffrey Katz followed by

Patricia Santos followed by Aldo Visconti. Good evening Jeffrey Katz from

Floral Park. I am not speaking here on behalf of Floral Park neighborhood Association. I'm here on behalf of myself and some of my fellow neighbors. I advocate on behalf of Matt Beth but I want to build on something that Carl said and now there were some comments that were made at the February 1st meeting that I want to revisit because this is Black History Month and there There was a comment made by one of our council members that he was upset about certain maps because they accentuated white supremacy.

I know we have a certain bad history here in Santa Ana that goes back a number of decades. I don't think that exists here today. I will tell you, as a Jew, I could bring up the story of Louis de Carvajal, who was a who lived in Mexico at a time when Mexicans did not allow Jews to practice. He was arrested, brought to prison, tortured until he gave up 120 names. Then instead of killing him, they brought in 120 people and they tortured, they tortured those 120 people in the cell right next to him. As he tried to commit suicide, they wouldn't let him do it. It's a nasty, nasty history, part of

of Mexican history, the Mexican Inquisition. I would never, ever look at my fellow Hispanic neighbors here and feel that they were anti-Semitic because of what happened centuries ago. And I would like for whites not to be looked at that way here. We're here in Santa Ana, we are all neighbors, and the way I ended my last speech to you a couple weeks ago, do what's right for Santa Ana, for the entire city to my council member um you said it saddened you and it upset you to hear

Johnathan Ryan Hernandez

that war three residents were advocating there is no audio on the zoom meeting that's too bad

it's working now that's too bad thank you thank you thank you um councilman hernandez

my last comments were addressed to you i and i've tried meeting with you the last three or four days but you've kept on postponing our meaning, so I'd like for us to meet so I can talk to you about some of the comments you made. And to my council member, I know it saddens you and it upsets you to hear, look, the indicia for drawing maps is a, one of the major indicia, is community of interest. When I made my comments, I looked to the California Constitution, which is community of interest is defined by a social and economic interest. It's not defined by what's saddened or what hurts you.

I gave you what legal treatises focus on, I gave you what the law focuses on, and not what feelings focus on.

Map F, I am concerned about other maps that others are advocating here, A or A2, because they happen to pit certain members of council against other members. if it would have moved you outside of Ward 3, if it would have pit Hernandez against Lopez, I would have said we have a problem there too, but it doesn't. And the circumstantial evidence indicates to me that there's political motivations what we have here. Jeff, if you can start wrapping up. I'm gonna wrap it up. I'm gonna wrap it up. Just I bring this up to because it's Black History Month and listen, Martin Luther King never spoke

against something. He always spoke about what his dream was, what he believed in. Thank you. It was that we would have a nation that we rise up to its mission and live by its creed and that's all I'm asking. Thank you. Thank you Jeff.

Patricia Santos followed by Aldo Visconti.

I need to ask for permission. I have been I'm here to make my own statement but the neighborhood association president for South Point is recovering from COVID at the moment and so she asked me to make a statement on her behalf and the Association president for Thornton Park is recovering from an ankle injury and she also wanted to make a statement here today and so she asked me to make a statement on her behalf so I'd like to get into those as fast as possible but I may run over just a little bit.

Sure. Okay.

Patricia, if you want, next time you can let them know that they can also call in in the event that they're not able to physically be here.

And I understand that, but she was having a hard time breathing, so speaking was going to be difficult for her either way.

Understood. Go ahead.

All right. So this is from Tammy Frias, the President of Sand Point. Good evening, Mayor and esteemed Council Members. The Sandpoint Neighborhood Association, which consists of approximately 800 residences, stands united with all the South Coast Metro Area Neighborhood Associations on the southern end of Santa Ana. We agree that the south end of Santa Ana should be kept together in one ward. It just makes most sense as we all share the same community interests and issues in that area of the city. Therefore, we are requesting you vote in favor of Map F, which will keep us all

united together in one ward and help us more effectively address issues and concerns that afflict our communities in the southern region of Santa Ana. Thank you. For Susan Grassi, she's also the president of Thornton Park. Dear City Council members, I, Susan Grassi, give my permission for Patricia to speak on my behalf and for on behalf of the Thornton Park Neighborhood Association. I, Susan Grassy, as the leader of the Thornton Park Neighborhood Association of approximately 800 homes and more than 1,200 individual residents support Map F

as the best option for Thornton Park Association. Proposed Map F keeps our southern neighborhood intact and consolidated and prevents the neighborhood associations from having more than one City Council representative in this area. Having one City Council representative is efficient and will expedite addressing neighborhoods similar community interests along the major traffic corridors of MacArthur Boulevard and the southern parts of Grand Avenue, Main Street, Flower Avenue, Bristol and Fairway, in addition to the Bristol and MacArthur retail shopping areas.

Contacting one council member who is familiar with the neighborhood and their concerns supports the development of a true community. And my statement. My name again is Patricia DeSantos, and I live in the southern part of Santa Ana. I'm a relatively recent resident, as I've only lived here for 10 years, and many of my neighbors have been here for 30 plus. I would like to share my experiences with the residents in my neighborhood. I had a chance to meet many of my neighbors during the pandemic and the lockdown. The only thing there was to do was to take walks in the neighborhood. I found that there was a wide

variety of diversity of cultures in my neighborhood from many different backgrounds. I found many of my neighbors were Spanish as their primary language and I had to use my rusty Spanish to communicate with them. I also found many of my neighbors were second and third generations in the same home. My neighbors, like me, care about the city and the safety of our neighborhoods. We worked together on neighborhood issues and shared the fruit from our backyards. I believe the residents of the south part of the city can do many good things for the city if allowed to have a

consolidated ward that will allow us to address our similar concerns and issues. I would ask the council members and Mayor Sarmiento to vote to consolidate the southern neighborhoods and to adopt Map F in the redistricting. I'd like to submit these into the record and I also have many other emails from other neighbors.

Thank you. Thank you for those comments. Aldo Visconti followed by Evangelina Visconti followed by Maddy Mesa. Good evening Mr. Mayor and council members.

Thank you for having us here this afternoon. My name is Aldo Visconti. I live in Ward 4 in the southern part of Santa Ana. I'm here to read a very short statement from Legacy Partners who they're the developers of that apartment complex going up in on flower and sunflower right now dear mayor's armiento and council members legacy partners is proud to be a part of Santa Anna and in support with in South Coast metro area neighborhood associations in the southern end of Santa Anna we believe that the south end of Santa Anna should be kept together in one word since all share the same community

interest we ask that you vote in favor of map F thank you for your consideration Sincerely, Timothy O'Brien, Senior Managing Director, Legacy Partners. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you for that comment. Evangelina Visconti, followed by Maddie Mesa, followed by Nancy Murphy.

Good evening, Council Members.

Mayor Pro Tem Becerra, Mayor Sarmiento. Thank you for the time and effort you've all put into this, and thank you for hearing our concerns and opinions today. My name is Evangelina Visconti. I live in Ward 4. I've been a resident of Santa Ana for 59 years, so I've gotten to see a lot of things.

I'd like to speak on the important decision you'll soon be making on behalf of our city and our communities.

This past year, I've had an opportunity of meeting and speak with many of my neighbors regarding the issues and concerns of our neighborhood. We are united in supporting our continued improvement of our community and life and safety of our residents. Therefore, we request that you will agree and vote for the map that provides the most cohesive groups, neighborhoods, and neighborhood associations, ensuring that each will be empowered to address their concerns effectively. after reviewing the redistricting maps that are being considered by our City Council I am here to

voice my support for proposed map F proposed map F gives the residents the best connection with their neighbors and meets all the required criteria it maintains consolidated neighborhood associations whereas proposed maps AA2 and SARC1 dismantle it by placing sections of our neighborhood associations located along MacArthur Boulevard into a separate ward. In essence our neighborhood associations would be represented by multiple council members. We ask that the City Council

and Mayor Sarmiento vote for proposed map F. We feel it is the best choice for the next 10 years for the city of santa anna and i thank you for your attention and continuous hard work towards making santa anna a great place to live thank you for those comments and i'd like

to submit this to the record great thank you maddie messa followed by nancy murphy followed by judy

bryant hello and good evening to the city council members mayor pearl tim sarah and mayor sarmiento My name is Maddie Mazin. I am a resident in the southern part of the city of Santa Ana. I grew up in the city and my mom has lived in the city for 35 years as well. Our family is concerned about many of the issues in the south end of the city, including traffic along MacArthur Boulevard and the south city, including part of Flower Avenue. Our family believes we need a ward that unites part of Flower Avenue and our neighborhoods impacted by these issues and many other issues along these major streets.

We believe Map F keeps our neighborhoods along MacArthur Boulevard United so we can work together to make our neighborhoods safe. In reviewing the proposed maps and the video of the previous council meeting, it is our families believe that maps A and SIRC1, considered by Councilmember Lopez and Mayor Sarmiento, and maps A1 and A2, considered by Councilmember Hernandez and Mayor Sarmiento, split up our neighborhoods in the southern part of the city into three or four different works we are completely opposed to breaking up our neighborhoods along macarthur boulevard and we

believe this would be detrimental to our ability to affect interest issues along the macarthur boulevard with three or four different council representatives our family believes the best interest of the neighborhoods along macarthur boulevard is to have one united ward therefore our family as the city council to vote for mapf thank you and i would like to submit this as well

thank you nancy murphy followed by judy bryant and our last speaker is kathleen kulinoff

hi good evening city council members mayor sarmento and mayor pro temp But Sarah, my name is Nancy Murphy. I reside in Ward 4. My family and I have lived in our home on Ramona Drive for 33 years, almost 34 years next month. Both my husband and I were born and raised in Santa Ana and as such we've lived in the city for over 58 years. We have many family members who have also lived in Santa Ana for 90 years. My mother was born in the section houses of Santa Ana by the railroad. I am currently a resident in the south end of town along MacArthur Boulevard.

Many of us and our family members are concerned about the redistricting of the wards. We're concerned because we are aware that Councilmember Lopez Hernandez and Sarmento are advocating for different multiple wards for us in our particular area, the south part of Santa Ana. Our concern is that we want to keep our community together. We're a very tight-knit group of people that want to get things achieved in our neighborhoods. As lifelong residents, we're very aware of community issues throughout Santa Ana,

especially along MacArthur Boulevard and the corridors of the southern parts, which would be Grand, Maine, Flower, and Fairview. And we travel around these areas all the time. And we also shop in the Bristol MacArthur shopping centers, and there's issues there. We want to make sure that we don't break up our areas and keep a ward together on the south end. We, as members of the community, want to pursue different things to have remedies and promote safety for our neighborhoods. The neighborhoods at the south end of town are compromised by very hardworking families of diverse cultures and incomes.

We have personally seen the south end of town grow and there's been changes for the good and some not for the not so good. We want to promote a safer Santa Ana and keep our city beautiful but have a robust engagement with our city council so that we can achieve goals. We believe this is best served by having one ward in the southern part of Santa Ana. I'm here today despite difficulty and risk to speak on behalf of our extended family and oppose breaking up our neighborhoods on the south end of the wards, but we believe Map F is appropriate, legal, and serves the best interests of our family

as well as families in the area. Therefore, our family asks that the city council vote for Map F. Thank you, and I do want to submit this too as well. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Judy Bryant followed by Kathleen Kulanoff.

Good evening. Thank you for this time. I am Judy Bryant, and I am part of the Association of Morning Sunwood in Southern Santa Ana. Oh, I'm sorry.

There you go.

and we also have we've met and our board association along with 600 homes in our morning Sunwood Association have worked closely with the southern districts of Thornton Park Metro point throughout the 33 years that I've been part of the board and we in reviewing the redistricting we proposed for plan F and with a revision of including morning sunwood that is currently in Ward 1

which we have never been associated with we would like to propose the plan F with that revision, if that is possible. And I speak for our entire association, and that would be myself, Judy Bryant, Robin McDonald, and Marianne Manfold, as well as our residents, nearly 1,200 residents. And I'd like to submit this as...

Thank you for your comments. Kathleen Kulanoff?

Good evening, everyone.

My name is Kathleen Kilonoff, and I represent right now the South Coast Metro Neighborhood Association.

I'm going to back pretty much what all of the other homeowners and associations have commented to you on.

Like I said, I'm here on behalf of myself and also of my neighborhood association. Today I received a community profile for the ESRI through one of the city staffs and I wanted to know exactly how many homes my association represented. and the number sounded high, but this is what they told me on the statistics, is that the South Coast Metro Neighborhood Association has 2,611 homes. We have over 8,000-plus residents,

and the ethnicity of our community is 65% Hispanic, 41% white, and 16% Asian. I have gone and surveyed my neighbors and along with some of the other women and gentlemen behind me. And most of the people that we have talked to are definitely in favor of MAPF because it does serve the south area to its best interests. MAPF consolidates our interests with the other six neighborhood associations in the south part of the city.

We believe that having one representative who understands our needs and our concerns really helps to unite our community. I'm going to give a plug for Phil Becerra. and this is part of the reason why I'm here is because he has shown such great effort in supporting our community that I know now how important it is to have one representative for us to be able to come to with our needs and somebody who will act always on our behalf.

So as I said, I will back with what the rest of the neighborhood said, but please I really recommend that you vote MAPF for us. Thank you.

Thank you. I think that was the last in-person speaker. Madam Clerk, is there anybody on the line or virtually that would want to address the members of the council?

Yes, thank you, Mayor and members of the council. The public was able to begin joining THE SPEAKER CUE AT 430. IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE A COMMENT AT THIS TIME, PLEASE DELL STAR 9 FROM YOUR PHONE OR SELECT RAISE HAND FROM ZOOM. AND BEFORE I UNMUTE YOU, WE DID RECEIVE FIVE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WRITTEN COMMUNICATION. FOUR WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE SANTA ANA REDISTRICTING COMMISSION MAPS 1 AND 2 AND ONE IN SUPPORT OF MAP F AND WE DID RECEIVE ANOTHER SUBMITTAL FOR Santa Ana redistricting coalition.

And with that, Zoom ID, Anna Charco, if you would please select the microphone icon and unmute your device.

Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. You may proceed with your comment.

Awesome, thank you. Good evening, Mayor Sarmiento and City Council members. My name is Anna Charco and I am here on behalf of Latino Health Access with the Santa Ana redistricting coalition. To promote greater community engagement in redistricting the Sanana Mission Coalition created a space through which Santa Ana residents have identified and created these maps that best address the needs of low income communities of color and working families. These maps were created by the community and for the community where different communities of interest are respected and kept together. As a result, we are against map F and map K.

Map F and map K failed to acknowledge and divide various communities of interest that are the heart of Santa Ana. For instance, map F and map K divide the corridor east side of main street affected by the environmental concerns such as pollution and soil lead contamination. It also divides the Sullivan community, something that we have received a lot of quite testimonies on it breaks apart the influence on the Willowick community to add on both mass place, the Doha community and parts of the Madison Park community with the Sandpoint South Coast community, which are completely two different areas when it comes to income levels

in relation to social economic needs, housing costs burden impacts, environmental justice demands. In regards to the opposition points that we have heard earlier on, I want to make it clear that the Santa Ana redistricting coalition maps do respect the communities of interest living in the Southern and Northern part of the city without sacrificing other neighborhoods like plan F does. So I urge you to not consider map F and K and adopt SRC one, a community led map. Thank you for your time and have a great day.

Thank you.

Zoom ID, Maria Valencia, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device. Thank you. You may proceed with your comment.

Good evening, Mayor and council members. My name is Maria Stella Valencia. I am a community organizer with OCO and a lifelong resident of Santa Ana. I currently live in Ward 3. The main streets that I live by are Grand Avenue, First Street, Lion Street, and Chestnut Avenue. I wholeheartedly believe that the two maps submitted by the Santa Ana Redistricting Coalition empower community voices that have been marginalized in Santa Ana. These maps uplift those voices that are immigrants, renters, low income and families of mixed immigration status.

I personally, in an apartment that's affordable housing, and I feel like MAPS SRC one and two uplift my community of interest that have not had a seat at the table for the longest time. And in this process, we have been able to engage members of the community in Santana that have also felt the same way. This isn't, you know, I've always never had a stable home. I've always moved from different areas of Santa Ana. And I can, again, wholeheartedly believe that SARC one and two uplift those communities of interest

and respect, which MAPS F and K do not. They break up our communities and they do not respect those that have been marginalized for more than 20 years in Santa Ana. So again, I would ask you to consider MAPS SARC 1 and 2. Thank you so much for your time and consideration. Thank you.

Zoom ID Blanca Ruelas, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device.

Hello.

Hello.

Buenas tardes. Buenas tardes, señor Sarmiento y miembros del concilio. Mi nombre es Blanca Ruelas. I'm a leader community of OCO and I'm a congregation of the Episcopal of the Messiah. I live in this community for more than 22 years, which is Washington Square. We live from our jobs. I don't know why we want to include the north of the street 17, when we identify more with the downtown downtown. santana y me preocupa el desplazamiento de mi familia y vecinos por eso nosotros como

comunidad de washington square vamos a tener un grandes impactos por eso estoy teniendo presencia para apoyar los mapas de la coalición que son src 1 y 2 porque reflejan el aporte directo comunitario Gracias les doy por su consideracion. Dios los bendiga. Buena noche.

Gracias.

Good afternoon. My name is Blanca. I have been a resident for 22 years, and I am in the Washington Square area. And I'm not too sure why you want to divide us in the North 17th downtown. We are in support of the coalition mob SARC12 and I do ask that you take in consideration and not dividing our communities and that you support our Washington Square area.

Zoom ID, Miguel Hernandez, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device.

Hello can you hear me? Yes we can hear you you may proceed with your comment.

Hey good evening Mayor Sarmiento and council members my name is Miguel Hernandez I am a long life resident of Santa Ana for over 50 years I currently live in the south coast area but previously I lived 16 years in the Delahy community and I'm calling to speak in support of SARC1 and SARC2 map. I believe in the interest that it is, these maps serve the interest of both communities

of Delhi and the South Coast area. These maps fairly distinguish the differences between the South Coast community and the Delhi community. It is clear that the South Coast community area and the Delhi community are very different. The Delhi community is a working class Latinx community with many low income renters. And the South Coast area is a middle class community. I sincerely respect the desires and wishes of my neighbors here, but in the name of, in the interest of democracy

and justice, especially those who have been historically marginalized, I think it is in better interest of our community that we support and that this council supports MAPSARC1 or SARC2. I also want to add that map F draws these two very distinct communities together and so I would

oppose map F thank you very much and I appreciate your time thank you zoom ID Kayla asato if you would please select the microphone icon on your device hello Kayla asato former resident of

of Santana in the Fairview area and also right under Edna Park.

I want to voice my support for Santana, and I'm S-A-R-C-1 because of like all the overwhelming comments that I've been talking about South Santana today.

They've been a lot of homeowners, a lot of middle-class people have been talking about how they don't want to be separated. I get that totally fine. understandable strc map one does that without sacrificing the needs of working class communities in the suzulivan community in willowick and by putting the delhi community who are being priced out of their homes and eminent domain issues with people who are homeowners to me it's not like it doesn't make much sense to try to throw all these communities together like that why should we try to diminish the voices of people in the delhi community of madison park why should we try to

cut up the madison park neighborhood as even seen on the uh santa ana neighborhood map we should support uh santa ana sarc map one uh because it fills a lot of the things that people have been talking about today um the low income communities across the city and gives the uh high income people or the higher income people in their own districts i don't understand why we're trying to go for a map f where we're diminishing the voices of everyone else at just to preserve the voices of

people in the south coast metro area we can do both and yeah we have a lot of environmental justice interests in the ej corridor the industrial corridor that map f breaks up that map k breaks up I don't understand why we're trying to lump all these committees together and diminish their voting power when they already have been ignored for decades yeah so in summary support SARC like map SARC one thank you very much thank you zoom ID Danny if you would please select

the microphone icon on your device hello can you hear me yes thank you you may proceed with your

COMMENT. OKAY. SO HELLO. MY NAME IS DANNY VEGA. RESIDENTS OF BOARD 3. AND I'M CALLING TO ADVOCATE FOR MAP F AGAIN FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT UP BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS. SO I WON'T REPEAT THOSE. AND NO, I'M NOT A SPOKESMAN FOR THE APPOINT WHITE NON-IMMIGRANT PEOPLE. I GUESS IT WASN'T OBVIOUS BUT I'M HISPANIC. I'M A BALD MEXICAN. AND SOMETHING YOU MAY HAVE NOT KNOWN IS is that my parents are immigrants from Mexico. We have common interests here in Ward three, which is why we want to stick together. I'll speak on one of those interests. And this is based off of what I heard

when I canvassed the neighborhoods last year and as president of my neighborhood association, we want a higher police presence here. We appreciate the hard work that police do. In fact, I bugged my council member twice to ask for police to stop by more often. AND SHE HAS ACTUALLY, SHE'S COME THROUGH. THANK YOU, MS. LOPES. FOR YOUR COMMENTS FROM LAST WEEK OR THE LAST MEETING WE'RE ON CALL FOR, LET'S STOP WITH THE RACE MEETING. IT'S RIDICULOUS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ZOOM ID, VINCENT TRAN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SELECT THE MICROPHONE ICON TO UNMUTE YOUR DEVICE.

HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. if you could please reduce the volume background. Okay, sorry about that. Thank you.

Okay. Council, my name is Vincent. I am the community engagement coordinator for VITRISE and also a member of the Santa Ana redistricting coalition. I'm here to support maps, SARC one and SARC two, posed by the Santa Ana redistricting coalition. These maps were developed with community input over the course of nearly half a year and emphasize the lived experiences of communities of interest, such as low income people of color, working families, and people living in mobile home parks. Proposed district maps better represent minority interests while being compact and adhered to the necessary guidelines.

These maps are crucial to the fair representation of the city's mobile home park residents, which are currently residing mainly on West Santa Ana, as one of Santa Ana's few remaining affordable housing options besides apartments, mobile home parks provide an indispensable service to the community's low-income families. In order to support these communities and ensure their housing needs are met, the voices of mobile home parks households must be heard and prioritized. Moreover, mobile home parks house many of Santa Ana's elderly Vietnamese population and given the historical context of Little Saigon and the

the city's Vietnamese diaspora and the origins of little Saigon being in Santa Ana, protecting the seniors who founded these communities who live in these mobile homes are instrumental in the preservation of the Vietnamese culture in Santa Ana. I want to also express my concern for you know, map F and K as these districts, these maps break our communities apart and does not truly represent the best interest for those most marginalized in Santa Ana. So I implore the Santa Ana City Council to support the maps submitted

by the Santa Ana Redistricting Coalition. Thank you.

Thank you. Zoom ID, Julia Gomez, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device to unmute. Thank you. Thank you.

Good evening, council members. My name is Julia Gomez, and I'm a member of the, I'm an attorney at the ACLU of Southern California. I'm here in support of the Santa Ana redistricting coalition maps. We previously submitted a letter on February 1st uplifting the reasons for our support and of course the coalition narratives and community public comments include more details on the communities of interest captured by those maps. I want to speak a little bit more about how the maps, both maps comply with federal law.

There were some comments during the prior hearings by council members in support of other maps because they purportedly complied with the Voting Rights Act by maximizing the number of Latino majority districts. I really, really want to emphasize that both SARC maps comply with the Voting Rights Act, which prohibits vote dilution. The SARC maps do not crack or pack the Latino community to dilute their vote. although the SARC maps do not maximize the number of Latino majority districts maximizing such districts is not actually required by the BRA it's a much more fact

intensive inquiry than simply looking at the number of Latino majority districts and I'm sure your council can provide more guidance on this but I really really want to emphasize that it's not as simple as looking to see if the district is majority Latino the Santa Ana redistricting coalition maps do however uplift communities of interest while also ensuring that they do not violate the constitutional prohibition against racial gerrymandering and this is a very very important balance while the council may consider race as one of many factors in drawing districts

it is prohibited from using race as a predominant factor when decided deciding whether to place residents within or outside of district without a compelling government reason the sarc maps thread this needle by considering in addition to shared ethnic background compactness contiguity and easily identifiable lines and the sarc also considered socioeconomic factors and shared interests and concerns including environmental justice issues the prevalence of mobile home parks and income levels throughout the city so again i urge you to seriously consider the sarc

maps as they comply with the vra and other other federal requirements and i'm happy to answer any questions either by email or at a later point about um the voting rights act and and how that

applies in santa ana thank you thank you zoom id o c c c o if you would please select the microphone phone icon. Thank you. You may proceed with your comment.

Yes. Hi, good evening, Mayor and honorable members of the Council and staff. My name is Karen Alvarado lead organizer with OCO. Once again, I'm here in support of the SARC maps one and two. As you've been hearing this evening, these maps have been months of ongoing community engagement. And just this morning, we sent you all revised versions of these maps that reflect recent engagement of community members since the last public hearing we've engaged with hard to reach communities that struggle with technology and carry multiple jobs just to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table these communities are really

the ones that are at the heart and center of these maps for equitable representation however map f truly does crack these communities of interest we've identified and listened in the in past hearings, especially the Willowick community, Santa Anita, Little Texas, Madison Park. It puts the Delhi community with the South Coast Metro District, which is very different, COI. And as my colleagues have stated tonight already, SARC one map respects the communities in the South and keeps them together. But most importantly, it is done in a way that does not dilute the voices of Santa Ana residents

that is affected by environmental justice issues. This city is not only made up of neighborhood associations and homeowners. As a matter of fact, it is among the largest populations of renters, housing impacted communities and folks living below the poverty line. So please, we urge you to consider supporting SARC one and SARC two. And we welcome meeting with any one of you to further explain some of the rationale and thought that was put behind the lines that were drawn in these maps. Thank you so much for your consideration.

Thank you. Let me go ahead and just interrupt the flow of the public comments. I'm gonna go ahead and have to leave the dais. I have a previous engagement, but I just wanted to thank the members of the public that are commenting, have commented, and I'll leave it in the capable hands of Mayor Pro Tem to go ahead and run the rest of the meeting. Hopefully things go smooth. Good night, everybody.

caller with the last three numbers 010 if you would please dial star six or the microphone icon on your device thank you you may proceed with your comment

hi victor mendes can you hear me yes we could hear you you may proceed with your comment

all right please start me now yeah my comments are um kind of um anecdotal and also observational let me just give you some anecdotal perspective about 10 years ago in the last uh redistricting I live in Norwalk and I went to the redistricting commission and I noticed my assembly district had been kind of drawn to include a part of what I consider the Skid Row district of downtown. It just went straight up, it came in and then it kind of just went straight up and captured downtown area that's really Skid Row, the highly marginalized area of downtown LA.

And I called them out for that. you know this is just like you know it's not that i'm against poor people want to help them but this is not a community that really is our responsibility if you're going to recommend downtown you're going to be downtown with the high rises and the wealthy as well as the marginalized um and they actually changed it the next um go around what they end up doing is they actually end up separating my city so in one part of the city we had um one assembly district and the other part of the city had a different assembly district i think both people that got elected were fine and

fine representatives but the point being is that you're not going to get perfection out of these maps i think there's some perception out there that you can perfect this to a point of absolute uh certainty and absolute perfection and that no one will be impacted uh it's just not going to happen where i live i can't even be included in this drawing uh because of the nature of the fact that we weren't uh living here when the census was taken so if you want to talk about an impact there's one for you we don't even count where i live so you know the other thing we got to do is

you really got to pull away from these segregationist types of observation well this community is environmentally impacted this community is poor you know we all get hungry when we don't have money we all breathe the same air when there's pollution uh i don't think anyone's gonna you know have to live in an area to get to advocate their government for a better quality of life i think we all do that and i don't think you have to have everyone living together to make that work i don't think people should be purposely you know marginalized or purposely

segregated but you know some of these comments just you know they defy logic it's like it just doesn't work that way somebody's going to be impacted you do your best to make sure communities stay together of course but i hope you got to stop this discussion oh this person's environment the impact of this person is an immigrant it's like let's just get a map democratic and can work for everybody uh lastly uh i'll just conclude that i found some information about a program that can work for our small town our small businesses in downtown uh it's been working for a few years Your time is in a matter of 30 days.

Thank you.

Well, that's going to help the community. Bye bye.

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Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. My name is Hilda Ortiz and I'm calling on behalf of Latino Health Access, which is part of the Santana redistricting coalition. Over the last few months, the coalition has dedicated significant time and effort in gathering input from santhana residents by hosting educational workshops forums and they've offered opportunities to identify key needs and communities of interest all of which are reflected in map sarc1 that is before you today sarc1 takes into consideration the needs interests and demands of communities impacted by environmental

environmental justice and housing costs. On the contrary, the submitted maps F and map K not only fail to acknowledge various communities of interest that are at the heart of Santana, they divide them. For instance, both map F and map K divide the corridor east side of Main Street, affected by environmental concerns. They divide the Sullivan community and they also break apart the influence of the Willowick community. Both maps also place the Delhi community and parts of the madison park community with the south coast community which we know have very

different income levels in relation to socioeconomic needs housing cost burden impacts and environmental justice demands map sarc1 is the map that best addresses the needs of low-income communities of color and working families therefore we urge you to not consider map f ANCAE and adopt SARC1 a community-led map thank you thank you zoom id

Irene Bautista if you would please select the microphone icon on your device

zoom id Irene Bautista if you would please select the microphone icon on your device to unmute your call.

I personally have worked very closely with Rizad Wallowick in the Justicia of the Living. The maps of the coalition are the only ones that maintain the entire community of Wallowick and put them in the same district with other mobile parks. I'm very worried that the map F breaks my community to unite the North. This would affect the negative way of not being able to choose a candidate that represents the interests of our community. I ask you please consider the most vulnerable community in Santa Ana in your decisions. The coalition is the only group that has taken the time to ask our support.

The maps of the coalition are the ones that consider the people. Thank you for your attention and blessings to everyone.

Good afternoon. My name is Irene Reis and I'm a community leader. And I'm here to ask that you support maps SARC1, SARC2, as those work with our Willowick community. I have worked closely with our community, and those are the best maps. It worries me that map F will divide our community, so it is important that we select a candidate that will be vulnerable and will help those that are actually the communities that are most vulnerable and can be affected. The coalition maps are the ones that look at the best interests that keep our communities together, as well as just being a community of interest for us.

Thank you very much and many blessings.

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Hello, Mayor and City Council members. My name is Jesus Santana. I am here supporting the Sullivan community. And I'm here also supporting the SIRC map one and SARC map two. I think these two maps are overall, they take into consideration the needs of the SOTIVA community. Again, I do want to vocalize and remind you that there was a total of around eight residents who attended the October 5th meeting at the Southwest Senior Center, as well as we were able to collect a total of 15 maps and submit them. And I think for us, we really want to make sure that these voices and these needs that the residents

were able to vocalize are taken into consideration. And these are reflective on SARC one. And I don't think the would be ideal because it doesn't include what the Sullivan community residents were proposing that day. We want to have Sullivan be in one ward versus two. And I think if, you know, city council members are able to support that, we'd really appreciate the ongoing just support. Thank you so much and I hope you guys have a good day.

Thank you.

Caller with the last three numbers, 477, if you would please, excuse me, dial star six to unmute your call. Thank you, you may proceed with your comment.

Good evening, City Council members. This is Dale Helbig, Ward three. I was confused in the last couple of meetings of what really constituted the Sullivan neighborhood. So I called the city and they said it was bounded by First Street on the north, McFadden on the south, Fairview on the west and Sullivan on the east side. And if that is true, then six out of the eight maps that are being looked at right now divide the Sullivan neighborhood up in half. And so I'm wondering why people are supporting

some of these maps that they want to keep Sullivan neighborhood intact. Plan A, Plan A2, and SARC2 all split Sullivan neighborhood in half. And so the only two maps that are left out of those eight are Draft F and SARC1. And out of those two draft F has the highest Asian plurality in it. And so if we are to maintain Asian plurality in one more, then map F seems like it's a better fit.

So that's my comments and have a good night people.

Thank you. Zoom ID, Beth Baker, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device to unmute your call.

Yes, thank you. Can you hear me?

Yes, you can hear you. You may proceed with your call.

Okay, good evening members of the council.

Can you please reduce the, I'm sorry, can you please reduce the volume? Terry.

Oh, I'm so sorry.

I love the second person. Background noise.

I'm so sorry. Yes, I'm so sorry. Thank you. Good evening members of the council. Thank you for the opportunity to comment this afternoon in favor of the redistricting maps proposed by the Santa Ana Redistricting Coalition SARC. My name is Biff Baker. I'm a long time 30 year parishioner at Episcopal Church of the Messiah in the middle of historic downtown Santa Ana. I support the maps proposed by the coalition for a number of important reasons. They are compact, contiguous, with low variance, and conformant with all laws and regulations for districting.

Unlike other maps being proposed tonight, they respect the integrity of communities of interest, especially vulnerable communities such as the environmentally impacted Eastern Corridor and the mobile home neighborhoods of Willowick and Sullivan. Most importantly, they were developed on the basis of direct input from members of the communities of Santa Ana. The coalition maps are thoughtfully designed and inspired by the desire for social justice. Thank you for your attention. I hope the council will come together around these sound fair proposals.

Thank you. Caller with the last three numbers, 172, if you would please select star six to unmute your call or select the microphone icon on your device.

Call her with the last three numbers, 172. If you would please select star six to unmute your call or select the microphone icon.

Persona en el teléfono con los tres últimos números, 172. Por favor, marque estrella seis. for your call?

Yes, good evening. Good evening. Can you go down the volume? Please.

My name is Rosa Pisano and I live in Sullivan Street and I belong to the mobile home of Country Cloud and I also represent Coach Royale. We were in the National Center and the Park of Salvador, and we were watching the mapeo. We participated in those activities and we want to take into account very seriously the SARC,

I know that it is very important, one and two, so that we can participate as members of the Sullivan in Action. We are citizens who have voted in all the elections and we want to take care of it. Because it is not just that we are divided in the north and the south. We are a single community. We are good with you and many greetings to all the council who are my friends and I love you and thank you very much for taking into account. Thank you.

Hello, good evening. My name is Rosa Pisano and I live in Sullivan Street. I am part of the Homo Mobile Home County and we were also attending the Senior Center and the Salvador Park meetings and we participated in those sessions so we are interested in SARC the those maps for us SARC 1 and 2 are extremely important we're very active members and we support Sullivan in action and we are citizens that vote we really don't want to be divided we don't like the division of north and south we are one community and we are okay with you we're fine

and hello to all of the council members who are my friends thank you very much and take care

zoom id says on medina if you would please select the microphone icon on your device to unmute your call thank you you may proceed with your comment

Hello, sir. Buenas tardes. Un saludo especial al a nuestro querido alcalde. Eh, vicensamiento, como también a todo el equipo que lo acompaña el concilio. Y mi intervención es justamente para agradecer a las personas que han elaborado, que han estado trabajando por mucho tiempo con el. Los mapas S. A. R. C. 1 y S. A. R. C. 2. because they are a map, they are a work that they have done with love, with comprension and confidence. And we are trying to that in this distribution of the districts. That. That's what we can do better.

And we are working on this effort to do not support the map F, because it is not to the aspirations and the needs that we have. who live in Santana in this district. So, thank you for the people who have made possible the elaboration of new maps, and the redistribution of the district, we also have a great honor to the Council for the confidence, the love and the comprension that they have to accept and support this that comes from the popular bases, the people. It is the people that is manifest in this moment.

Good afternoon, especially to Mayor Sarmiento, a well welcome and hello. And I would like to just elaborate with everyone who has spoken here. We are in support with MAPSARC 1 and 2. We have done the work with love, trust, and understanding. And this is a way that distributes our neighborhoods to live in support. And we don't support MAPF as it doesn't address the needs of our community in Santa Ana. So thank you to those people that have worked very hard on this with love, care, and support.

and we ask that the council also consider it with love and understanding and as you see the people have their popular vote and they are voting for one so we do ask for your support thank you

thank you mayor patim and council members that was the last caller thank you madam city clerk

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mayor sarmiento left the meeting for an off-site event madam city clerk is uh Council Member Hernandez on the line as well?

Yes, he is.

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Fantastic. So we still have six here. Is the demographer available on the line for a presentation and to answer any questions?

Yes. Paul Mitchell.

How are you doing this evening? I'm here.

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Great. Would you like to begin your presentation?

Sure.

I presume you can see the slide yep great thanks thanks for having us here again today I'm going to go through some real basic stuff to overview and then get right into the maps I even though the council has seen this probably over the last two years 20 times I just want to make sure everybody's on the same page. The process that we're using for the redistricting is very similar to the process that was used when we converted to the districts, the by-district election system under the California Voting Rights Act. And the way in which lines are being drawn is very similar

as well. We're trying to draw districts that are relatively equal size within 10% of each other, Draw districts that are contiguous. Maintain communities of interest. And a community of interest can be a socioeconomic demographic group. It can be a neighborhood. It can be a community that has a shared interest before the city. Following other city boundaries or even neighborhoods, the Fair Maps Act, when it refers to cities, leans heavily on the idea of trying to keep neighborhoods together. and then also keeping districts compact. It doesn't mean small but it means keeping

nearby areas and populations together not having a population and then bypassing a bunch of other nearby populations to go get some far away population. The process that we utilize begins with communities of interest and the input from the public. It is a publicly drawn process very similar very different than redistricting was done uh 20 30 years ago and very similar to how the state does its redistricting what's important is that when we get community of interest input we have to kind of fit it within the rules of the redistricting and then when we have maps either

those created by us the demographer or by individuals or organizations we make sure that those maps are released and public for seven days at least before taking any action on those maps The maps are available from the publicly created maps using Districter. There's also maps that were created in community workshops.

And there's been trainings on that software. When we get maps in, we don't just take in a map and file it somewhere. We actually ingest it to our mapping software. We then create for the city council, for the public maps that have a PDF with the cover page, a data table, and each individual map. And all of those maps are available on the city's website. And they have been, we try to get those turned around within a day or so of getting any public submissions. They're also available as web-based maps. So you can zoom in or search for an address for any of those maps.

It allows for somebody to answer that question of, you know, is this line on what street, you know, and actually figure that out. When we look at the city council boundaries, it's important to note that these council boundaries are still somewhat in their infancy. They haven't even been fully implemented because when you do redistricting in an agency that has elections every two years, but for four year terms, you waive, they the the lines take effect in waves so whatever lines we implement in 2020 uh will have

their first wave in 22 and their second wave in 24. so we haven't even gotten there yet and we're already having to redraw districts because it's a decennial process so the lines that we enact uh through this process will take effect in 22 and then again in 24.

When we look at these maps, we also look at the data underlying them. And in the data underlying the existing maps, we have a total plan deviation of 13.4%. So that's outside of that 10% that's considered to be equally sized under redistricting. The plans that we've been looking at, and as we've gone through this process, we've basically think of it as a funnel. We've had a wide opening for getting in public maps and having draft maps. And then we try to narrow those through the process in order to get to a point where we can

select a final map that will be adopted. Draft maps A and A2 have continued to be discussed. You'll notice that the wards are lettered, not numbered. The number can come later. And each of these maps has been drawn to meet the criteria of the Fair Maps Act. Draft plan A has a total plan deviation of 8.5, creates four majority minority Latino districts, and then maintains that district that is an Asian influence district on the Western side of the city. This is a district that was a result of the conversion

that you did in your last redistricting and an agreement with the community to create a district that would allow for the Asian community to elect a candidate of choice and allow them to influence the outcome of those elections. When we look at this plan with its current lines underneath it, you can see the plan lines or the draft map A is the dark lines. The shaded areas are the existing lines and the map is very, very similar to the existing lines. Plan A2 is also very similar to the existing lines. It has a deviation of 7.4.

those same majority minority districts and that same roughly district on the western side to maintain a district that has a nation plurality. When you see those lines with the underlying current districts you'll see that the lines still do follow pretty much the same footprint but there are small adjustments to those boundaries. Plan F meets the traditional criteria as well. It is a slightly different version of, in particular, this district A. You can see district A is now going further north. It's a little bit narrower.

It creates five wards that are over 50% citizen voting age population Latino. And it's based on a public submission 86566. When you look at this map with the existing districts, you'll see that there are more significant changes. you still have the district on the western side, that district that has the Asian plurality with a little bits of adjustments. You have still mostly a district along the northern portion that takes in that northeastern corner as well. Where you see the biggest change is that in the existing lines, this yellow, brown, and red district,

the current lines are very columnar. In this arrangement, the current line, the the plan f is a little bit more horizontal in the approach of these four districts that we have labeled as e d f and b uh plan j uh makes more changes uh by the way this uh plan j's total plan deviation is 1.5 it's also based on a public submission 102 694 it creates the five awards that are 50% CVAP Latino and maintains an Asian plurality district. However,

you can see this Asian plurality district is a different construction than the current district. And so that's something for you as the council to ponder, I guess, and to think about whether or not there should be more of a focus on maintaining that district as it was from the settlement from just two years ago, or if there's a desire, willingness to change that or maybe improve it in a way that might be reflected in the way J is created. It also when you compare to the existing lines does break up that columnar relationship

of those districts that are here labeled B, D and F the yellow brown and red districts. You'll see F still maintains mostly columnar shape on that right hand side on that eastern side But then you have the horizontal shaped districts going up through the center of the city. J2 is a modified version of that with a deviation of 3.5. You can see there's slight differences in that one from J. But again, fundamentally, its relationship to the existing lines is very similar.

Plan K has a deviation of 6.2%. those same five majority minority Latino districts. However, now we're again changing the construction of those districts primarily here in the center. When we look at the existing lines, you can see this Southern district is taking more of a horizontal. These B and D here in the middle are more like boxes. They are not just going as columns, they're not just horizontal. And they seek to keep together similar communities, similar neighborhoods,

but they do differ significantly from the existing line. So you can see that this district B as an example is comprised of parts of four different districts from the current plan. The two plans that we've been referring to as the Sark one and Sark two plans have been in this packet before. They're here in their original composition. I know that the group submitted today some GIS files for us to translate into these same maps. We'll be getting those to you, if not tonight, then tomorrow morning. But they are not the one,

they're slightly different in their construction from what is here. but SARC 1 has a 2.3 deviation and SARC 2 has a 1.7% deviation. The differences in the revised plans that we've received, although we don't have those packets to share tonight since we just received those earlier today, that in those plans it looks though, the districts on the perimeter, the district on the western side, the district on the eastern side, and the northern district are exactly the same or roughly the same.

And the changes have to do with the relationship kind of in the central portion of the city. And when you see those maps, when they get published to the website, like I said, probably tomorrow, you'll be able to see what those look like. And at a future hearing, we can have those available for you. we can make sure they're posted seven days before your next hearing and ready for you if you choose to take action on those at a future hearing. This is that plan with the existing lines overlaid. Now, where we're at is we're at a point where we can have a conversation about any potential changes that you wanna have

and we can bring back plans in the future that have any modifications that you're looking at. those modifications can be kind of one of three kinds. You could say, hey, that one line, can we just move it across Main Street? And in doing so not affect the deviations too much. And it can be made without any counterbalancing population change to offset that move. Sometimes when you make a move just across Main Street, maybe that moves a lot of people and you have to have an offsetting change. That's the second type of change that we can have in a plan is move this population over by a thousand people,

but then move a thousand people back into that district from somewhere else. So it's a one-to-one swap. The third kind of change that becomes the most difficult is when you start saying, okay, I wanna move a thousand people into this district, but I don't wanna move a thousand people back. So I'm gonna go to the next district over and move a thousand people, then the next district to move a thousand people, and the next district to move a thousand people. and then you move a thousand people back in at the end. We could have changes that people recommend that end up requiring every district in the plan to change

if you're doing a full rotation throughout the city of moving population. That can become more complicated, but it is doable. And we have obviously done that in other redistrictings. The goal should be to continue that funneling of getting down to one or two maps that you're really considering. Getting down to those maps is useful both for your own ability to really understand the trade-offs between different plans. And also it's beneficial to the public for them to understand like, okay, there's 50 plans on the website. This is getting confusing.

What am I supposed to be doing? What letter plan are we actually looking at? And having all those final plans identified and having a smaller number of them allows the public to have more valuable engagement because they can, you know, more specifically target and advocate for one of the plans that's being considered. At the very end of the process, we will go through and help you number those districts. If it's a plan that's pretty minimal change, it's pretty easy just to apply those existing numbers and that's not a problem.

When we looked at those other plans where you had significant change, particularly in the center parts of the city, there we might have to actually do a little looking as to, you know, what is the largest portion of an older district or one of the existing districts in each of the new seats and give you a recommendation as to what the numbering should be. But ultimately the numbering will be your responsibility as the council. And you can number the districts as you see fit, considering both the largest number of residents in the current districts.

You could also be considering what communities are in those districts and whether or not they've had an opportunity to elect somebody under the newly distrusted system or other criteria. But that is something that happens at the very end of the process. And with that, I'm happy to stop sharing. I know we've had a lot of conversations about these plans and I'm happy to provide any input or help however I can.

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Paul, thank you for that. I'm gonna bring it back to the council. Does any of my colleagues have any questions for Paul while we have them on the line?

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Don't all jump at once.

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All right, Council Member Mendoza, please.

I don't have any questions for Paul. He was very detailed. There's a lot of information, and we have reviewed the maps extensively and done a lot of research. I don't know how many times I've reviewed each map carefully and analyzed it. I did a lot of checking to see which ones met the six requirements. and I've listened to a lot of testimony at the many meetings, and I've spoken with many, many residents throughout the city. And many residents have a strong feeling about how they feel that the ward maps should look like.

But the one that stood out and the one that's going to work for the city of Santa Ana is MapF. I am going to support MapF. MAPF takes into account the various geographic corners of the city and respects the neighborhoods and the communities of interest. It is very clear that many residents feel the very same way that I do. I will be supporting MAPF and I will be voting for its approval tonight.

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Thank you, Council Member Mendoza. Council Member Fan?

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Thank you, Mayor Pro Tan.

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So I don't have any questions. Thank you so much Paul. I do look forward to the I guess updated files for I guess I'll call it SARC 1 updated and SARC 2 updated. I do have them with me because I did meet with the organizations that had originally drafted the maps and they did tell me that they were going to I guess submit updates and so there are a couple things that I want to just say for the record the first is I do want to say I am quite

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excited with Plan J and Plan J2 as they do have the largest Asian plurality wards of all of the maps that we have elevated to date as you all know I was elected to be the first Vietnamese American on this dais. We settled a California Voting Rights Act lawsuit and for me one of the most important things in discussing communities of interests which is defined under Elections Code 21601 is common social and economic interests. So the Vietnamese American

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community, the Little Saigon community, is a common social interest. With that being said, I have looked carefully at the number of public comments regarding a variety of interest groups or communities. First is regarding the comments by a lot of the neighborhood leaders indicating that they wanted to ensure that the south end or south coast metro stays together. I used to live there. In fact, I used to live right off Sunflower and Plaza, so I do, I'm very familiar with that area. And I do want to say that when you look at the south end

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and you're looking everything from Senwood to, you know, kind of the side of the lake which is apartment building and all of that plans, I think, F, J, J2, K, and SARC1 ensures that the South and South Coast Metro community areas stay together. When we're talking about the industrial corridor and you can look at whether it's lead contamination that's some of it but really what I'm interested in is the Esri heat map that talks about the environmental justice areas

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pursuing to SB 1000 and what you do see is that the East end with industrial quarters do struggle with those issues and maps A, A2, J2, SARC 1 and SARC 2 do meet those requirements and ensure that those communities stay together while in my opinion the you know keep that South end together you know there's overlap there One other comment that I did hear is regarding Morning Sunwood. I really do appreciate the neighborhood association leaders who did come out to speak today.

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However, when you do look at the heat map of citizens of voting age population, there is a plurality, if not almost majority, of whom are Asian or Vietnamese American. The others that I'm really interested in, so I'm looking at all these maps and I do actually want some clarification from my colleague Councilmember Mendoza because from what I understand there's compliance with the federal requirements the Voting Rights Act and the Fair Maps Act only has four requirements population, contiguity, communities of interest, and compactness

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specifically incumbency and political affiliation are not communities of interests. So one major issue that I am not taking to account is where any of us live. I've stated here on the dais that if I get districted out because there is a better map that supports the Asian American vote and ensures that other communities of interest are respected, I will support that map. So with that being said, I have heard a lot about the Sullivan community as well as Little Texas and one things I'm really interested in is looking at the SARC 1

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updated map that does I believe combine the Sullivan community and Little Texas keeps the south end together ensures we have the industrial corridor respect the north end as well the Asian plurality vote I am also interested in SARC 2 as it does do most of that however I do understand that there are concerns regarding the south end so if we do elevate that map I'd like to see some adjustments in that space. Moreover I am interested in Plan K. I do understand

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that the east side is not all combined however as I mentioned before when you're looking at ESRI and environmental justice or environmental justice impact areas, it does follow a particular pattern and I do believe that a council member who represents the South End can also represent those who have interest in environmental justice. In fact, I think many of us up here have supported a resolution to support the Climate Emergency Resolution. And again, we don't all represent the East End.

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

The main issues that I do have, however, with Plan K is that, you know, I guess I do want to see whether there can be some adjustments as to bringing up the East N in, I guess, District F, or if there's any adjustments that we can do to ensure that, you know, that Cambodian community is not being broken off and that we do incorporate the industrial corridor as much as possible

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

Let me see So I think those are the comments I have right now But I am interested in hearing what my colleagues have to say But also maybe my colleague councilmember Mendoza if you can help clarify for me So I can better understand what the six items were you were considering that would be really helpful. Thank you

Yes, I will do that as soon as everyone has had a moment to speak.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Who would like to go next?

Phil BacerraItem 1

Council Member Hernandez, are you on the line?

Johnathan Ryan HernandezItem 1

Mayor Potem? Yes, Mayor Potem. I have my hand raised.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Oh, perfect. All right, jump on in.

Johnathan Ryan HernandezItem 1

Yes, absolutely. Well, I want to thank them for the presentation. Fantastic job as always.

Johnathan Ryan HernandezItem 1

I had some concerns about previous maps at our most recent council meeting or at the one where it was initially presented. and recently I looked at some of the maps that were updated, notably the SARC map one, I am now in favor of that map because of the most recent changes. I find this map to be inclusive. I find it to be justice-centered. And I think it's important because this map also keeps together working class communities

Johnathan Ryan HernandezItem 1

and communities that have oftentimes struggled with representation at City Council. So I will be supporting map SARC1. I also am in favor of map A and A2. That concludes my comments. Mayor Pro Tem.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Thank you, Council Member Hernandez, Council Member Lopez, or Council Member Penaloza. Either of you want to jump in?

Phil BacerraItem 1

Okay. Okay. Well, I will say, just to kind of wrap up here, so I have stated my support for MAP-F, and I continue to support MAP-F. I believe that it keeps communities of interest together. I want to thank all the folks that physically came out tonight to speak and those that were on the line as well. I know you guys have taken time out of your busy schedules and time away from family to come down so I wanted to thank you all for coming and speaking in support of your issues. I really believe, going back to my comments on the maps, Map F is the one that I believe

Phil BacerraItem 1

keeps these communities of interest together. As somebody who lives on the south side, I completely relate with the comments made about places we shop, the homes as far as the age of our homes, the amenities, etc. There are things that, you know, problems that we all face and problems that we're all collaboratively trying to address. And, you know, for us, it obviously makes sense to have that. And I've seen, we've all seen on the north side of town, when organized neighborhoods band together and address issues. We saw that when I first joined the council,

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and this entire chambers was packed with people from all over the city but primarily from the north end of town who were concerned about a proposed development project. So I think that maps that keep the north neighborhoods together and the south neighborhoods together, I absolutely am supportive of that. We are obligated through a settlement to have a ward that has an Asian plurality and even without that settlement I would be in support of a ward that has that Asian plurality. The other thing that I really appreciate about MAPF is the five section two wards. And I'm going to ask our city attorney,

Phil BacerraItem 1

my understanding is that we as a council are obligated to consider maps or at least I guess look towards maps that create the most section two wards possible. In other words, if we have the ability to create five Section 2 seats, we're obligated to go down that path. Is that correct?

I'm going to ask the redistricting, Paul Mitchell, to field this question. I think that he...

Phil BacerraItem 1

Thank you, Madam State Attorney. Paul, could you jump in on that one as far as the Section 2 question?

Yeah, I'm not an attorney, but speaking to the policy around it, and then the attorney can affirm this. Under the Federal Voting Rights Act, there are cases in which a community passes three tests, called the Jingles Tests. One is that you can create districts that are more than 50% of one citizen voting age population ethnicity. And the second test is that there's racially polarized voting that is exhibited by the minority population.

And the third is that there's polarized voting traditionally by the white population against that minority population in a way that consistently they are disallowing that minority population from electing a candidate of choice. To get to all three of those tests, we and your attorneys would have to be armed with a racially polarized voting analysis to basically say that you're required to create that. And then also there might be a question when an agency is required to create a majority minority district of whether or not it has to be 52% or 53% in the Central Valley in California,

there are arguments of 56, 58, 60% Latino necessary for it to be an effective majority minority district. So you do have several plans that have four districts that are over 50%. We wouldn't necessarily, without all that data and research, call them a section two majority minority district. We could call them a majority minority district because they're over 50%. So I don't think that we nor your attorneys are armed with information to tell you that you must create those five districts or to tell you a specific metric that you need to hit in terms of that Latino population. But you are correct that if there is a plan

where you can draw five districts that are over 50%, you would have five majority minority districts. And that might make people feel more comfortable about a final plan because you have five of those districts hitting the metric. We just wouldn't want to say that they're required to be drawn because that would infer that there's a specific legal finding that we don't presently have.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Okay, perfect. Thank you. Thank you for that clarification. And really to conclude my comments on this, you know, we've heard from folks calling in about environmental justice issues. And I think Council Member Fan really hit the nail on the head when she said that we don't have to have the area within one district to care about it. In other words, whether I have environmental justice areas or identified EJ areas in my ward, as I showed last night when we were discussing the general plan, I was more than happy to address those concerns. And I will continue to address those concerns

Phil BacerraItem 1

whether I'm drawn into a ward that I would represent with or without environmental justice issues. And the other thing I think to take into account, when you look at all the different heat maps and different statistical maps that have been presented to the council and that have been available to the community, the EJ areas are not isolated to one part of town. To say that the EJ district would be east of Main Street or east of Flower or east of anything I think is really inaccurate because if you look at the environmental justice maps out there and as far as some of the

Phil BacerraItem 1

maps that indicate where high contaminants are located, they are spread out through different parts of the city. It's not just the eastern edge of the city. So to say that that's a community of interest solely around that one issue, I think is really not representing the true content of what that issue is. So I will conclude with, I believe that Map F truly satisfies not just requirements, but I think what Councilmember Mendoza was alluding to earlier, and she might have said requirements but I know that we've all talked about items on this dais that are important to us.

Phil BacerraItem 1

You know having the north neighborhoods together is not an absolute requirement but we understand that as a community of interest it makes sense to put them together. Same thing with the southern neighborhoods, same thing with other neighborhoods like Sullivan and Delhi. So I think that for us to look at these maps it's a combination the requirements by law but also items of concern to the members on this dais so that's my statement I'm supportive of map F I'd like to Councilmember Lopez yes and then Councilmember Ndoza also

Jessie LopezItem 1

wanted to clear up a council members event question sure um but so um a A couple of things.

Jessie LopezItem 1

For the record and for folks that I haven't personally gotten to me, I heard something that kind of threw me off a little bit in terms of me not supporting the creation of a southern map. If you go back and review the public meetings, you'll see that that's not true. I've supported map J and J2, which creates a southern map, as you will see here. And, you know, the deviation in comparison to other maps are extremely low. Deviation for map J is 1.5. It creates five words, which we were just asking about, to see if that actually is a criteria that we have to meet and being compliant with.

Jessie LopezItem 1

It also creates, as Councilmember Phan said, some of the highest plurality for Asian voters at 44.5 and 43.6. So I want to be very clear on the record that I've supported the creation of a Southern Ward and I've supported MapJ that does that. And if you have any questions, you know, I welcome you to reach out, ask me about why, you know, ask me anything about this process. But it has been a public process and if you'd like to review those meetings, you can. They're publicly available online. We can also send them to you via email if you have any concerns.

Jessie LopezItem 1

and I also I am aware of the changes for it a SARC 1 and 2 I know they're newly submitted Paul but I am looking forward to seeing what they are so if you can send those my way I'm happy to review it and again you know I was one of the only council members very early on in this process to say my concern is not if I am redistricted out I understand that we cannot make everyone happy and if that is what needs to happen, you know, for the maps to be equitable and fair, then that's

Jessie LopezItem 1

fine. So I want to also, you know, reiterate that because I was one of the only ones that mentioned that early on. And again, I'm happy to talk whenever people want to reach out. But I do want to ask Paul, what are the maps that you've heard so far that we want to see

bring back? Well, I am sure other staff have been taking more notes. I definitely have heard.

Or staff, yeah. Sorry. Yeah, and I can definitely, if you want, Paul, I can go over the ones that I think I've heard so far. Would you like me to do? Yeah, maybe to avoid me missing one. I don't want to.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Yeah, not a problem. Madam City Clerk, what I would rather prefer is we go around first to everybody before we start naming off maps. So let's go ahead and continue. Council Member Lopez?

Jessie LopezItem 1

Oh, that was going to be my last question comment. Councillor Mendoza?

Phil BacerraItem 1

Councillor Mendoza?

Yes, thank you. And I apologize to my colleagues. I was incorrect. It's actually five. And the five requirements that I was looking at when I did the intensive review and analysis and came up with MAPF all along are these, that the neighborhood on Dale High stay intact, Sullivan neighborhoods stay intact and the North communities of interest stay together so that's three. Number four is that the South communities of interest stay together and the number five is that the Asian plurality stay or at an equal population as the others. So those those are the five requirements that I

Phil BacerraItem 1

was looking at. Thank you. Thank you Council Member Mendoza. Council Member Mendoza?

David PenalozaItem 1

Thank You Mayor Pro Tem Becerra. I just wanted to voice my support for map plan F just because in looking and just wanted to also voice my opposition to map J and J2 because specifically because it takes Wilshire Square who's been a big advocate for all the the development that's going on on South Main Street in the historic South Main Street that's going on and it takes Wilshire Square and completely takes it into the western part of the city in a district into the western part of the city which would be unfortunate for that

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community because it would dilute that voice and support that they've been so attached to making sure that South Main Street is developed appropriately and by breaking up those neighborhoods along South Main Street you know I wouldn't be supportive of that. So I definitely don't want to see Plan J or J2 elevated. I am supporting to see Plan F come back and elevated. And also kind of interested in SARC2. Would like to see that come back for the discussion just because it really travels along the lines of major corridors.

David PenalozaItem 1

So that could be a possibility. but that is about it. Could work with plan, what was it? Yeah, SARC2, because it follows those continuous lines and it keeps even a break on South Main Street where you have two whole communities that would be supportive of and then plan F. That's it, Mayor Pro Tem.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Thank you, Councilman Penaloza. So I'm going to start up and make it a little more interesting. So my hope for tonight, I believe we have about eight maps that we're considering tonight or I'm sorry, that were elevated to use the correct terminology that were elevated. And so my hope is that we can, you know, kind of like a playoff bracket, let's start to whittle it down a little. So what I'd like to do is do a little lightning round around the council. You guys have all given great comments tonight about different issues and concerns you have with the maps.

Phil BacerraItem 1

But what I'd like to do is go around the horn and have everybody give three, two, one map, whatever you want to do, so that Daisy can take note. And then for our next hearing on this item, we can hopefully have a smaller group of maps to consider. So I'm just going to go around to my left. Council Member Pham, would you like to start off?

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

Yes, thank you. I've actually been tallying as you all spoke, but I would like to see these maps come back, which includes F, J, J2, K, SARC1, as well as SARC2. And I guess that still makes it eight maps for me because I am actually specifically interested in SARC1, the update, as well as SARC2, the update.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Sure you don't want to add any more?

Phil BacerraItem 1

All right, Council Member Peloza, lightning round. Could you give us a couple that you'd like to elevate?

David PenalozaItem 1

Yes, Map F and SARC 2.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Okay.

David PenalozaItem 1

And you know what? K as well. F, K, and SARC 2.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Okay, thank you, Council Member Peloza. Council Member Mendoza, you're up.

Definitely Map F and K. That's it.

Phil BacerraItem 1

I like it we're getting down to uh the the short round there councilmember Lopez please yeah so

Jessie LopezItem 1

I'm definitely going to keep an open mind here and I'm going to do with uh go with SAC1 SAC2 plan J J2 uh map A and map 2. thank you great and then uh councilmember Hernandez you're up

Johnathan Ryan HernandezItem 1

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. I will be moving forward with SARC 1, Map A, and Map A 2.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Perfect. And I will go ahead and register my support. I like Map F, and I would be open to seeing Map K come back as well. So, Madam City Clerk, if you wouldn't mind, from your tally, did we manage to eliminate any maps this evening?

Eliminate?

Phil BacerraItem 1

I'm not sure. Did we manage to elevate some and send some home with some parting gifts?

So what I do have is map F, J, J2, K,

SARC1, SARC2, and both of those updates, A and A2.

Phil BacerraItem 1

So we've essentially all the maps.

That's essentially all the maps, yeah.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Okay. Yes, Councilmember Fan.

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

Hi. So maybe just to help all of us kind of attempt to whittle these down, it's a better understanding of what happens if we don't get five votes. Santa Ana, we're just very, we're overachievers with our charter and unlike other cities which only require majority which is four out of seven votes Santa Ana requires five out of seven votes and so if you will just confirm for me Paul is that if by April 17th the city of Santa Ana we do not adopt a map we must immediately petition the court to draw a map for us correct actually what happens is that on

April 17th if you don't complete a map and pass it then on the following day any member of the public can walk into a court and ask the court to take over the jurisdiction of your redistricting process. Now this is a new portion of the state's fair maps act. It has not been used. The last deadline was December 15th for counties and cities that have primaries. I'm not aware of any that didn't complete on time. So we don't know what the court would do in the past when the courts have been given the responsibility to draw lines. They have in some cases just started from scratch and draft lines that maybe even hire a demographer draft

lines and those lines are your lines going forward. They have at other times looked at the plans that the city was last considering and then maybe select or modify from one of those. But you would lose jurisdiction over the process and have the courts draw your lines.

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

Thanks. I was just looking at Elections Code 21609 and I think it does say that if the council does not petition the Superior Court within five days after the deadline, any resident of the city may file that petition.

So, Council Member Fanna was just going to say, I believe the council has five days after the deadline to petition the court themselves.

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

Right, but Paul, I think you are also correct that if a resident, and it says resident, not voter, it says any resident of the city may petition the court. And in that situation the city of Santa Ana would be I guess responsible for the expenses of the court if they hire demographer correct So if the court decides to hire demographer hire experts and and I know it has to hold a public hearing We would be responsible for paying all of that again if we do not select a map So I do want to share that aspect and the other thing that I also wanted to share is that as we go through

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

these maps and as we get input from the public. We don't know who is going to be advocating or maybe filing some type of amicus brief of some sort. I don't know how these processes work because it's not a typical writ petition, but that any organization we did hear from the ACLU today, I would imagine that they would submit a petition to the court or at least some type of brief to be heard with the court to support a map that they like. So I wanted to share that to kind of scare all of us into attempting to support some maps that maybe more of us support.

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

And when I was looking, I tallied up all of our thoughts, and the maps that I saw that had three or four people support are F, K, SARC1, and SARC2. So I guess I would just want to share with my colleagues to see if that is something we'd like to do because at least it would cull the herd or elevate some of the ones that have more support than others for adjustments of the boundaries.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Councilmember Fan, I appreciate that. Madam City Clerk, could you confirm our stats here from Councilmember Fan? do you see maps F, K, SARC 1, and SARC 2 as receiving the most support from the council?

I definitely see F. I have already.

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

I can read out the names of the people who support it. So F had initial support from Ty, David, Nelida, and Phil. K had the same individuals. and SARC1 and SARC2 had Ty, Lopez, and Hernandez. SARC2 had Ty, Benalosa, and Lopez. So if I stated anything wrong, please let me know.

That's what I have as well.

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

And then with A2 and A, I heard from Lopez and Hernandez, and then from J and J2, I heard from Ty and Lopez. So that would be my request.

I actually only got Hernandez for A and A2. Did you also?

Jessie LopezItem 1

Yeah, also. And I would say, yeah, I agree with the tally. And I guess I understand the concerns. And another question that I had for you, Clerk, is I guess there's really no limit to how many people can go and petition the court to take over this process, right, if we're unable to, if the counsel is unable to come to a decision.

Well, as Mr. Mitchell noted already, the Fair Maps Act went into effect in 2020, so I don't know that we know exactly how this process would look, but in looking at Elections Code 21629, which discusses the process, they refer to, you know, any resident of the city may file that petition.

So, kind of surmising that even if there were multiple petitions filed, that I think the court would select one, possibly the first filed, instead of having multiple petitions going on for the same process. Okay. Thank you.

Jessie LopezItem 1

And I did want to just find, lastly, you know, I agree with the tally, but we are missing a member of the council and so I would still very much would not I'm not opposed to bringing the maps that we all discussed today coming back so that we can have a true tally of where every single person of this council stands or what map they're supporting thank you councilman pal is it thank you mayor

David PenalozaItem 1

pro tem and madam city attorney well if for the and the petition that somebody a resident would to petition is it something and I know it's it was only adopted in 2020 so it's all fairly new is it something where a resident would go to the judge with a map and say hey judge the city council is ineffective and they couldn't come up with the map this is a map we like can you is that that the petition would work? Or is it just the general, hey, judge, the city council couldn't approve a map, please do it?

I'm not certain we know, but it talks about the court would select the boundaries. So they would also hold at least one public hearing. They could employ experts, demographers, the like. So I believe the court would have a more active role in the process rather than just listening to the residents kind of advocate for which map they want. Although I think that would be part of the process.

David PenalozaItem 1

Okay. Well, with that said and heard, I would, and because I want to make sure that we start really just trimming down the maps in front of us and the community, I would make a motion to elevate the maps as listed by Councilmember Fan to come back through the redistricting, for this redistricting process and eliminate the rest.

Johnathan Ryan HernandezItem 1

Mayor Proton, my hand is raised virtually.

Phil BacerraItem 1

All right, Council Member Hernandez.

Johnathan Ryan HernandezItem 1

Thank you. Do we have a motion on the floor?

Phil BacerraItem 1

We have a motion from Council Member Penaloza and a second by Council Member Mendoza.

Johnathan Ryan HernandezItem 1

Okay, I'd like to make a sub motion to see all maps come back where we have the entirety of the Council here so I would like to make a motion to schedule another special session if if the support is there for my colleagues I'd like to make that motion I'll second that I think that's just fair

Phil BacerraItem 1

yeah okay we have a motion from a substitute motion by Councilmember Hernandez and a second from Councilmember Lopez I'm just going to add comment real quick uh you know the the Mayor the mayor stepped out to attend an off-site event. And so, you know, it's just like with any council meeting, whoever's here, you know, is here to deliberate on the items before us. I, in a perfect situation, would love to have all seven of us here. Unfortunately, we do not, but that is beyond the rest of our control. So I won't be supporting the sub motion, and I'll end up supporting the original motion but Madam State Clerk can we go

Phil BacerraItem 1

ahead and call the vote on the sub motion yes the members of the council

could go ahead and vote on your device if you're logged in oh Madam City I will

Johnathan Ryan HernandezItem 1

I will be saying my my vote verbally my vote is no vote is yes the motion yes

okay so i'm going to go ahead and um do a roll call vote thank you it came back up it came back

Phil BacerraItem 1

up oh wonderful thank you he already said council member hernandez voted orally so yes verbally

okay motion fails with council members hernandez lopez and fan voting yes council members mendoza PENALOZA, AND MAYOR PROTEM BASERA VOTING NO. AND MAYOR SORMIENTO BEING ABSENT.

Phil BacerraItem 1

OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM STAID CLERK. IF WE CAN, GO AHEAD. LET'S CALL THE VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER PENALOZA AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER MENDOZA, PLEASE.

Phil BacerraItem 1

AND TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S TO ELEVATE MAPS FK, SARC1, AND SARC2.

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

MAY I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? SURE. Does this include those two kind of adjustments that were just submitted to us?

David PenalozaItem 1

I'll accept that amendment.

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

Because I think we all kind of made comments about the adjustments.

David PenalozaItem 1

Fair point.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Real quick, so SCRC 1 and SCRC 2, we're talking about the ones that are adjusted, not the previous version? Or we're saying four?

The...

David PenalozaItem 1

So...

Thai Viet PhanItem 1

So I I felt like so I think Tai Lopez and Hernandez kind of mentioned the updated ones for SARC 1 And I guess I'm not sure if okay. I'll mention SARC 2

David PenalozaItem 1

Whether you also meant the updated one. No, that's fine. We will make those the updated versions

Phil BacerraItem 1

So the number fan so to be clear then we've got For the motion just to clarify so we've got FK and the updated versions of SARC 1 and SARC 2

David PenalozaItem 1

Correct.

Paul, if you're still there, the updated SARC 1 and 2 were not publicly posted, correct? They weren't publicly posted yet, so they wouldn't be able to adopt that as a plan tonight, but they could. We'll have them being drawn right now as SARC 1A and SARC 2A, and I think it's probably appropriate if they want to bring those back to have them on the next hearing and allow those to be potential maps to be adopted at that next meeting?

David PenalozaItem 1

So essentially six maps, if I'm not correct. FK, SARC 1, SARC 2, and SARC 1A, and SARC 2A.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Councilmember Pellows, I think the concern might be because the two updates weren't publicly circulated. I mean, some members of the council saw them, but they weren't available to the public to comment on. So let me propose this idea. Maybe what we do is we say SARC 1, SARC 2 that are currently in the public realm. And when we get to our next hearing, if there are changes that any of us want to make to SARC 1 or SARC 2 per the updates, we can then make that suggestion and have Paul come back to us with those.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Just the same way that if we were to take Map K or Map F and make a tweak or two, we would ask them to come back to us. So would you be okay with making that motion?

David PenalozaItem 1

Yeah, I would accept that amendment.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Council Member Mendoza, would you accept that? Yes. Okay, so Madam City Clerk, we've got a motion on the floor for Map F, Map K, Map SARC 1, and Map SARC 2 to be elevated for our next hearing on this item.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Let's go ahead and cast our votes.

Johnathan Ryan HernandezItem 1

Madam City Clerk, my vote is no.

Okay, so motion passes with Council Member Hernandez voting no and Lopez. Council Members Mendoza, Peñalosa, Fan, Mayor Potembecerra voting yes, and Mayor Sarmiento being absent.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Thank you for that, Madam City Clerk. And let me ask you, for our next meeting on this item, do we have a date scheduled at this time?

We do not. I can go ahead and see what the council member's schedule will look like and schedule something and then we'll post it as early as possible.

Phil BacerraItem 1

Fantastic. Well, I think we are done here for tonight. So I want to thank my colleagues. This was a good discussion. I appreciate that we were able to whittle it down to the following maps and eventually, hopefully, we will get there and we will make sure that the judge doesn't have to see these maps. So with that, I'm going to go ahead and adjourn this meeting.

Johnathan Ryan HernandezItem 1

Have a great night, colleagues. Take care. Good night.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.