Mayor Pro Tempore, R.C.D.: Great, thank you everybody, let me go ahead and call this special and regular City Council meeting and housing authority meeting for October 5th, 2021 to order. Mayor Pro Tempore, R.C.D.: Let me just begin by making a few opening remarks. This meeting is taking place with in person attendance and by teleconference via zoom. The public may access the meeting via the Santa YouTube channel or the city's website. So as usual, please bear with us as our technology may be interrupted, may interrupt the flow of the meeting. So Madam Clerk, if you'll please call the vote.
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Council Member Becerra? Here. Council Member Hernandez? Here. Council Member Lopez? Here. Council Member Mendoza? Here. Council Member Fan?
0:38Council Member Fan, I see that you're logged into Zoom. If you would please select the microphone icon.
0:51Mayor Pro Tempeñalosa?
1:03Here.
1:07Mayor Sarmiento.
1:08Here. Sorry about that, Mayor.
1:09Thank you. I'm here.
1:13Great. I was about to say, even though you're not here with us physically, you're here with us in spirit and you're logged on via Zoom as well. And so just for the public's information, Council Member Phan is gonna be joining us remotely. So with that, I'm gonna go ahead and ask the council if there's anybody that wishes to announce any abstention on the closed session items.
1:15It's on the special meeting item. It's an open session, Mayor.
1:40Got it, got it. All right, do we have any speakers, Madam Clerk, on the special open session?
1:44No, we do not, Mayor.
1:52All right, any additional comments from the council? Seeing none, we'll go ahead and adjourn into closed session unless there's anything.
1:56Mayor, we have an action item that requires a motion and a second on a resolution.
2:04Go ahead. Go ahead. I'll entertain a motion or if there's any questions or-I'll motion.
2:09Mayor, I'd like to ask that we move the item, but in regards to this item, I'd like to add a caveat to the resolution that this particular item expires as we expire our state of emergency.
2:15Yes, and also the City Council, so just to give this some context, the resolution that's before you is placed before you because the governor's executive order that allowed virtual meetings without complying with teleconferencing rules expired, and he extended that. In order to take advantage of having virtual meetings, you need to adopt this resolution. This resolution would also need to be readopted every 30 days while you determine whether social distancing is still a good idea in your community so what you would be doing tonight by adopting this resolution is finding that
2:31you do find that there is health reasons for continuing social distancing and that you will permit virtual attendance by any of your council members without complying with the teleconferencing rules that's what you would be doing tonight 30 days every 30 days if you adopt this tonight which we are recommending that you do so as we do have council member fan wanting to participate virtually. I will ask that she not participate in this vote until you voted on the reso and made the finding and then you would have to renew it every 30 days. That's good to know.
3:01I'll just go ahead and move the item as is.
3:32All right. Is there a second?
3:34I can second.
3:35Okay. We have a motion and a second. Madam Clerk, please. Or do we are using the device on this?
3:36You may use the device.
3:42Council members should be able to cast your vote.
3:46Well, I think the council member is not gonna vote on this for the city attorney's recommendation. This is council member Fan who's remote.
3:50I mean, yes.
3:56Yes.
3:57Okay.
3:58Thank you. So if council members, if council members Becerra, Hernandez, Lopez, Mayor Pro Tempe, Alyssa, Mayor Sarmiento voting yes, and council member Fan abstention.
3:59Great. Thank you. So moving along, let me go ahead and adjourn the special open city council meeting and convene the special closed session meeting kind of confusing so bear with us there's going to be a lot of confusion tonight, unfortunately, with respect to procedure and process. Let me go ahead and call the special closed session meeting to order and with the same remarks as I made before that the meeting is taking place in person and via teleconference via Zoom. And the public may access the meeting by the Zootoot, San Ana YouTube channel or the city's website. And again, please bear with us if the technology fails on us.
4:14And Madam Clerk, if you'll, do we have to call roll again on this one?
4:50Yes. For the closed session? Yes.
4:54All right.
4:56Council member Becerra?
4:56Here.
4:58Council member Hernandez?
4:58Here.
5:00Council Member Lopez. Here. Council Member Mendoza. Here. Council Member Fan. Here. Mayor Pro Tempeñalosa.
5:00Here.
5:08And Mayor Sarmiento.
5:08Here. So on this one, are there any abstentions on the closed session items by any members of the council? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, do we have any speakers for any closed session items?
5:09Not for any closed session items.
5:19Great, let's go ahead and recess in the closed session and we'll reconvene now.
5:21Thank you.
5:35Thank you.
6:04Thank you.
6:35Thank you.
7:08Thank you.
7:38Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to the regular meeting for the Santa Ana City Council for October 5th, 2021. Let me go ahead and begin with some opening remarks. This meeting is taking place with in-person attendance by teleconference via Zoom. the public can access this meeting via the Santa Ana YouTube channel or the city's website and as usual please bear with us as our technology may interrupt the meeting and the flow of the meeting as we go forward so I'll turn it over to the clerk to go ahead and call roll. Thank you mayor.
8:04Councilmember Becerra? Here. Councilmember Hernandez? Here. Councilmember Lopez? Present. Councilmember Mendoza? Here. Councilmember Fan? Here. Thank you. Mayor Potempeñalosa? Present. Mayor Sarmiento.
8:38Here, and just for the public's information, Council Member Fan is joining us remotely, so you will hear her by audio only. Let me go ahead and just let you know that pursuant to State Elections Code 21627.1, subsection D, there will be a public hearing on item number 24 that's scheduled for 7 p.m. So it may interrupt what we're doing at that time to go ahead and set that time aside for that public hearing. We'll go ahead and take it up then to see if we're gonna have the full public hearing or if we adjourn it to some date certain and some time certain. So Madam Clerk, before we go on to the Pledge of Allegiance,
8:54can you go ahead and make your opening remarks?
9:34Thank you, Mayor. In accordance with the council procedures, calls will not be accepted after the public comment session has begun. For regular open session speakers who are not in the speaker queue by 6 p.m. will not be permitted to speak. Please hold your comments on public hearing items until the mayor opens the public hearing to request to speak on agenda or non-agenda items within the city's jurisdiction dial star 9 from your phone or click the button labeled raise hand from zoom at this time you will be asked to announce your name and ward or neighborhood you
9:35reside in within the city of santa anna for the record thank you thank you for that let me go
10:08ahead and turn it over to mayor pro tempena losa who's going to lead us in the pledge of allegiance
10:12tonight. Thank you, Mayor Sarmiento. If you could all please join me in rising and putting your facing our flag and putting your right hand over your heart and repeat after me. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
10:16thank you for that if you'll all please remain standing as we do our invocation for tonight and we invite uh ossam ailush to join us here at the podium i believe he's a person welcome thank you sir and uh please uh feel free to go forward with the invocation
10:43Thank you. Your Honorable Mayor and Council Members, dear residents of Santa Ana, I greet you with the Muslim greeting of peace. As-Salaamu Alaikum. May peace be with you. Que la pas este ikona steres. As Muslims, we begin every prayer and every action by reciting the following verse from the Quran. In Arabic it says, Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim. In English it translates as, in the name of Allah, Dios, God Almighty, the most compassionate, the most merciful.
11:07oh god we sincerely seek your compassion and mercy upon us upon our families our leaders our neighbors and all those who are struggling with sickness financial need unemployment or any other challenge we sincerely ask you to bestow compassion and mercy into our hearts minds actions policies and thoughts. Oh, compassionate God, we ask you to make us among those who show gratitude to you for your compassion by being compassionate towards others. Please make us among those
11:46who understand that the best leaders are the ones who are the most compassionate servants of their communities. We ask you, oh, merciful God, to bless our mayor, our city council members, our city staff and all healthcare professionals and their respective families as they serve the need and ensure the well-being of the residents of our city. We ask you to guide them to serve our city with mercy and to advance justice, equality, liberty and dignity for all people. We ask you to inspire them to lead and strive for America's founding ideals.
12:24for an America that embraces and cherishes its diverse people. Oh God, we ask you to unite and bless our city, our country, and all of humanity. I mean, amen. Thank you.
13:01Thank you.
13:20Let me go ahead and move along to the next portion of the meeting, which are our ceremonial presentations. And I'm gonna go ahead and turn it over to Mayor Pro Tempeñalosa to recognize our Director of Planning, Ben Tai, and Alvaro Nunez on a Code Enforcement Appreciation Week recognition. Thank you, Mayor.
13:25This one here, Madam Clerk?
13:58We need to move it closer? Yes.
14:02Perfect. Thank you. Gentlemen, hello. Let me...
14:10Right.
14:16Okay. So, for anyone who isn't familiar with these two gentlemen, this is Min Tai, our Executive director of planning and building who also and and our um assistant director of executive planning and building alvaro nunez uh who also is is the the code enforcement manager um so it's a code enforcement officer appreciation week i know uh people like tim rush are very appreciative these two gentlemen right here so um we want to acknowledge them for all their hard work that they do in this city, a lot, a lot of work that they do do in our city, regards when
14:17it comes to code enforcement. So, court enforcement officers provide for the safety, health and welfare of citizens and communities throughout the state of California. Code enforcement is able to keep our communities safe through the enforcement of laws and ordinances dealing with various issues of building, zoning, housing, animal control, environmental, health and life safety. The job of a code enforcement officer is challenging and demanding and often they do not receive recognition for the roles they play within the community, improving the quality of life for
14:56both residents and businesses. Code enforcement officers were dedicated, highly qualified, and highly trained professionals who share the goals of preventing neighborhood deterioration, enhancing communities, ensuring safety, and preserving property values. As of today this year, the Code Enforcement Division have inspected over 16,723 violations and closed 15,593 violations in the city with a total improvement valuation of $1.8 million to our community.
15:33Today, the city of Santa Ana recognizes and honors the code enforcement officers that serve our community and acknowledge the role in leading the way to improve the quality of life within our community. And I want to point out that even I, as a council member here in the city, about a year, two years ago, came home, a little violation notice on my front door. I'm like, what the heck is this? You know, the city of Santa Ana violation, and it was at my numbers on my house for the address. Were the same color as a house, so you can't really see them from the street.
16:10I didn't know that was a thing, but that's just the type of work they do. You know, I was like, come on, really? So but we got that address. I painted them black now, so now they stand out. But you know, it's just one of the many things that they that the code enforcement office does. Also last year during the pandemic, it's not just about going out and finding people and and citing them for whatever reason, but they were out there boots on the ground, knocking on our doors and offering services to people. Everything from I mean testing,
16:47COVID testing, rental assistance, information, what else I mean?
17:22Yeah, so getting everything out there, all the, you know, it was the code enforcement team that was out there knocking on these doors, providing services of numerous kinds to our community. And, you know, and they loved it. It was a whole different side that they got to do in interacting with our community during COVID to offer services. So thankful for all of the work that you guys do. If one of you wanna say a few words, please step forward. Here's the proclamation.
17:34Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem, and thank you, Mayor and City Council Member. It is with great honor that I receive this on behalf of our Code Enforcement Division. The women and men that works in our Code Enforcement Division are extremely hardworking, very diligent, I have said this before, and not only to Elvro about Elvro, but also the entire division is that code enforcement does everything and anything that the city needs to help address from healthcare issues during COVID to addressing
18:07vacant properties, historical properties and various property maintenance. They are the Swiss Army knife of City Hall. So on behalf of our men and women in the code enforcement division i'm honored to accept this thank you all right all right
18:45i thought it was the number one guy here so i mean any dilapidated commercial area that you guys see out there in our city there are dozens of them so the work never ends you know uh call it in phone it in email it we'll make sure that alvaro takes care of it yeah all righty thank you Thank you guys.
19:04And Alvaro is also smart because he's the first to the boss to go ahead and make the comments. There we go, good stuff.
19:45Congratulations. Let me go ahead and turn the floor over to Council Member Adnandez, who's going to be making a proclamation for Indigenous Peoples Day to Nellie Legaspi. Nellie Mia Turtle Heart Legaspi. So go ahead, Council Member.
19:52Thank you.
20:29Thank you.
21:08Hello that's better. Well, thank you everyone for for standing up here today and for making time to come here and celebrate this historic proclamation. Indigenous Peoples Day is celebrated on the second Monday, October 11th this year, to honor the cultures and the histories of Native American people. The city of Santa Ana recognizes that Indigenous people of the lands that would later become known as Americas have occupied these lands since immemorial. Several Native American tribes dwelled in this area.
21:16We are standing on Native American land right now, including the Tongva, Juaneno, Luiseno, before the Spanish colonization began in the late 1700s. These two major groups of American Indians in Orange County were thought to originate from the Xochitl.
21:58The city recognizes the values, the many contributions made to our community through Indigenous peoples' knowledge, through their labor, through their spirituality, through their technology, through their science, through their philosophy, through their arts, and their deep cultural contribution that substantially changed the character of Santa Ana. accepting indigenous peoples day proclamation is Nelly Maya Turtle Heart Legaspe Nelly is in
22:17Oglala Lakota Church Chiricahua Apache and she is also the mother of four a grandmother of eight she represents Ward five the district we sit in as our personnel commissioner the director of the American Indian Movement of Orange County. She's a survivor of domestic violence and a champion for advocating and raising awareness and education on intimate partner violence. We'd like to thank Nally today and her family for joining us today as we honor and celebrate the thriving cultures and the
22:52positive values of Indigenous people of our region. In Santa Ana we will always celebrate Indigenous this people's day congratulations
23:31won't be left to the city council members and to jonathan where'd you go ryan hernandez who i have actually adopted as my nephew First off, behind me you see a representation of the different tribes that live in Southern California, besides the Tongva, the Waneno, the Ahasemen, the Luis Anjos. Some names were given to them by the missionaries that came in and enslaved, raped, and killed a lot of our people, our ancestors. That is the reality, that is the truth of the land that we all stand on.
23:52Each and every person behind me is a member of my family, whether it be through my belly button or by tribal affiliation. As the American Indian Movement Director of Orange County, it falls on me to make sure. And when I say me, I don't really mean me because there are many people, ancestors that have come before myself that were here. But it comes upon us to make sure that First Peoples, First Nations, Native American, Indigenous peoples' rights are protected, and that we are acknowledged for being the keepers of the land and those first here.
24:31It is sad, unfortunately, that one of our young brothers is not able to be with us tonight. Unfortunately, a week ago tonight, a relative was taken, Brandon Lopez, but his dad stands here with us. Uncle Tony. Thank you. We remember those who go before us. We remember those who will come after us. Because without our history, we don't know who we are, where we came from. We are not a melting pot. We are not a blended people or a simulated. We all
25:11retain our traditions, our cultures, our religious, we didn't even use the term religious, spiritual practices, our medicine ways. Our ways are important to us. Indigenous Peoples Day is for all First Nations people, whether they call themselves by their tribal names or by Mexican Americans of Mexican and native descent, indigenous. They are Apaches or Yaquis. They come from so many tribes that I would be here all night stating them.
25:50So when you see someone that looks like me or someone that looks like those behind me, remember this is their land that we all are on. You cannot be illegal on stolen land.
26:28My purpose as a personnel commissioner is to make sure things are always done fairly, objectively, with integrity. And anyone who really knows me in this community knows that that's how I walk. I pledge no allegiance to anything other than my ancestors and my descendants. And I have to give thanks to the Tongva elders, their leaders, the Hashiman leaders, and their elected tribal council members that could not be here tonight. There are sovereign nations here in Orange County. So again, thank you to Jonathan and to the city council, all of you, and my representative of my ward three, Jessica Lopez.
26:51Thank you very much. I appreciate it all. And I hope to see you all next Sunday, rather this Sunday, at the first Indigenous Peoples Day picnic at the park right here on Ross and 4th Street, which is going to be the beginning of a great relationship. Mopila Tosca.
27:33Thank you.
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28:34Thank you.
29:08Thank you Councilmember and thank you Nellie to the entire family and everybody who is
29:37here welcome to the people's house this is your house let me go ahead and now turn the turn the floor over to Councilmember Lopez who's going to be presenting a certificate of recognition to the blinking owl distillery. So council member Lopez.
29:42Welcome. So I really wanna give everybody a little bit of background
30:19about the blakey now because i yeah we have the bottle um the diets here
30:23because i think it's important um so the blakey now is the very first craft distillery in orange county they are one of the first distilleries in the state of california to hold the type 74 for craft distillery license, allowing us to operate our very tasty room and sell bottles. They decided to make booze the long way from grain rather than pre-made spirit. They mill it, smash it, mash it, ferment it, distill it, and in the case of whiskey, barrel age it. All of the grain they source is certified organic and from California farms.
30:34The ingredients are beautiful. I've been there. Truly, it's delicious. And most most certified organic grains, fruits and botanicals, but they also purchase items from great local folks who are using sustainable farming practices, such as the oranges from the Heritage Museum of Orange County, which is here in the city of Santa Ana. Brian and Robin, Christine Christensen, longtime Sonano resident, had heard stories of the mid-century blinking owl bar on the corner of Birch and Third Streets, known for an iconic owl sign that would blink.
31:16Inspired by the craft cocktail movement and the farm to table movement and the current thriving craft distilleries, the husband and wife team saw an opportunity to bring a local distillery to the city paying homage to the history of Santa Ana and Ryan is their leader head distiller and joined the blinking owl team in 2014 and was and is an integral part of the startup process and after years of perfecting his home beer brewing Ryan began his distilling career at Journeyman Distillery in Michigan.
31:57And Ryan is passionate about making quality spirits thoughtfully from soil to the glass. And I had the pleasure of meeting Ryan and Dylan, who is not here, during their Distilled California event at the Bowers Museum. And that's how I learned about the history of Blinky Now in our city. And you may also know the Blinky Now because of their generous efforts during the beginning of COVID last year when they decided to really provide PPE for healthcare professionals in different organizations in our city, but really throughout the county and state. And so on behalf of War III Families,
32:39thank you for all that you do and all the contributions to the city of Santa Ana. Thank you. If you'd like to provide any support.
33:21I'll just say thank you to the city for being so supportive. We really appreciate the continued support from city council members to city staff, to the police department. And all the support of the community means the world to us. We have residents come in from all over the city that express great gratitude and love the venue we've created. So thank you, everybody, citywide. And thank you for supporting us with your hand sanitizer. It helped us and allowed us to help many, many people.
33:29Thank you to the mayor and thank you to the council members and Councilmember Lopez. Really appreciate the honor. We were just really proud to be able to serve the community with the hand sanitizer work that we did and also proud to be Orange County's first craft distillery and not the last for sure.
34:07And we have great city water here.
34:25Yeah.
34:27So I thought you were going to remind everybody not to drink the hand sanitizer, even though looks good right use it for external purposes only um thank you councilmember lopez and thank you to the blinking owl let me go ahead and now turn it over to councilmember mendoza who's going to make a presentation
34:49And just to let the public know when the clock strikes at seven or as close to it as possible, we're going to have to go directly to a public hearing item that's already been pre-scheduled for 7pm and that is our redistricting public hearing and we'll go ahead and maybe interrupt if we have to either that or council member if you want to make this as brief as you possibly can.
35:29May I have the people who are receiving the award from Office Depot please come up.
35:57As they come up I will begin to tell you a little bit about them and all of you are familiar with Office Depot. We've all been there rushing to get the last minute supplies for our kids or something for ourselves. So we're very proud today to present this award. And who will hold it?
36:07Come on over here.
36:28Don't be shy. We're not shy when we buy your supplies. We're just going quick.
36:30Office Depot. And here with us today is Charlotte Blanche, who is the Senior Key Accountant Manager. Stephen Blythe, the Senior Vice President of Sales. and Sharon Sowers, who is Vice President of the Business Solution Division. Office Depot has partnered with Santa Ana Unified School District for 37 years, and they've done this to create and maintain healthy and engaging learning environments to advance the well-being of students, educators, and communities.
36:36Launching in 2018, Start Proud is their signature philanthropic back-to-school initiative for empowering education and is designed to foster brighter beginnings for schools and low-income communities nationwide to give students, parents, and teachers the supplies they need to start the year with confident, prepared and proud. Start Proud 2021 operates in 15 key markets, partnering with 18 school districts and respective Title I elementary school within each district.
37:09To date, over 18,000 backpacks full of school supplies and a $20 gift card, Each backpack retailing for $120 each, equaling over a significant $2.16 million value nationwide. Additionally, 18 all-star teachers were selected to receive nearly $2,000 worth of critical classroom essentials.
37:50In-store donation drives took place across the country for our back to school campaign during the third quarter, which resulted in a total of $1,792,970,000. Let me say that again.
38:221,792,970. That is significant. Going to school in the greatest need. In 2021, Santa Ana Unified School District received 875 backpacks filled with premium school supplies that included the $20 gift cards, totaling $105,000. One all-star teacher from Carver Elementary Elementary School received $2,000 worth of classroom supplies. Carver Elementary will receive an
38:42additional $30,417 for Principal Jimmy Brule to support his teachers. We would like to thank Office Depot and its StartProud program for providing critical support to Santa Ana students, education and community as a whole. And as a personal note, as a teacher, I know how valuable our supplies are. It is critical that our students have the proper resources and supplies in order to do their assignments properly. So without Home Depot, I'm sorry, well Home Depot too,
39:16we also need them for repairs around the house to shelter our students. but without Office Depot and their generosity, our students would not have the proper resources to have the success that they that they do today. So please give a big hand of appreciation to Office Depot.
39:56Well, quick, because we've probably got 10 seconds, but we just want to say thank you. we cherish our relationship with Santa Ana Unified, and more importantly, we cherish the opportunity to help the future. So thank you.
40:25Thank you.
40:56Thank you to everybody at Office Depot. Thank you for that abbreviated presentation. Thank you for your understanding. Let me go ahead and interrupt the meeting to. take a matter out of order and this is item number 24.
40:57So item number 24 is a public hearing on the redistricting matter. So let me go ahead and make just a quick comment before hearing the public hearing on item number 24, Madam Clerk, are you gonna provide any instructions to the public for anybody who'd like to make a comment on this public hearing item only?
41:13Yes, thank you, Mayor.
41:33And maybe even before then, look, it looks like we only have one public comment on this. I was gonna go ahead and request from the city council that we have about over 160 people that are gonna be addressing us tonight, about 114 people in person and approximately 60 online. So waiting to speak. so this presentation my understanding madam clerk is about 45 minutes so um i would maybe request that the council uh open the public hearing and adjourn it to next uh meeting on october 19th at a
41:36that is a date certain with a specific time certain as well and maybe we do that instead of 7 p.m maybe 8 p.m to give us time to get through the bulk of public comments and then we have this public hearing then. So that would be something for the council to consider. But let me go ahead and at least open the public hearing because if we do continue it, it has to be adjourned to a date and time specific if that's the will of the council.
42:15Mayor, if I may ask real quick, Daisy, if we were to do what the mayor's asking us, does that jeopardize anything in regards to the timelines that you've set out? Because I know we adopted a resolution with certain benchmarks, if you will, that are in place so will us adjourning this item to a date certain in the future impact that timeline
42:41no it will not okay great so let me go ahead and at least just go through the um the uh opening of the hearing this is the first public hearing regarding the redistricting board boundaries madam clerk we know we have the consultant available let me go ahead and just open up the public hearing for the record and I'll entertain a motion by a member of the council to put this matter over to the October 19th meeting at 8 p.m because it not only is a date certain but it has to be time certain as well and by 8 p.m at the following meeting we'll have the full
43:02presentation by the consultant who's going to be walking us through this and we will interrupt the the meeting at that time at any point that we are either in public comments or in the business calendar or consent calendar.
43:42And Mayor, I'm sorry, what date did you say?
43:54The next meeting, which is October 19th.
43:57But that is also a public hearing for this item at 7 p.m.
43:59Can we adjourn this public hearing to 8 p.m. instead of seven, because it seems like at seven, we're still right in the middle of the bulk of our public comments and 8 p.m. might be a little easier for us to have gotten through most of our public comments by that
44:05time does that work um madam city attorney i'm going to defer to the city clerk it's her public
44:21hearing oh so the 8 p.m you want to have it at 7 is that what you're saying well we already have
44:30established our public hearings and the second public hearing is going to be at october 19 at 7 p.m so we keep it consistent you want to do it at seven so we should yeah we should be at 7 p.m if we're moving everything back so then it does change the timeline if we're doing it to the next regular meeting i i thought maybe we were going to council would consider maybe adjourning this to a special meeting to another meeting date prior to the 19th so i'm open to
44:37that as well if the council wants to take out its calendar right now to go ahead and do a special meeting in advance of the October 19th meeting but that's uh that's something that I'm open to
45:11if the council is ready to to do that. Casey, City Clerk, could we push this one to the next council session and then figure out the one that's scheduled for the next one um via email between the council members to see when we can push that one?
45:21adjourn the next one yeah yes yes and then I'll have to bring back the resolution of intent to make sure that it's being published that way because I do want to make sure that the public's aware of the changes so yes we can we'll just have to bring back the item at a future meeting to make sure that the dates are aligned it will push back though if we do move this meeting or this public hearing to the next regularly scheduled meeting it will push it back to the next meeting which i believe will be the first meeting in january which i believe since the first meeting
45:39in january is typically canceled due to the holiday it'll be is it january 17 just just so
46:13you're aware 18. so the mayor's to the mayor's request maybe we pull out our calendars and
46:20figure out when we can right and we don't have to wait till january we can have our own special
46:26session that's correct yes that is correct all right so i'll go ahead and um you know either we push this to the next meeting or we push this to a special meeting that's really the question
46:32that's correct yes i'll suggest um monday october 18th to get the ball rolling
46:44at what time uh 7 p.m we're going to stay consistent mr mayor this would be a single
46:54item agenda that's correct it would be a single item agenda right now just for this public hearing thank you for the clarification is that does that work for noticing purposes uh madam clerk um yes
47:02i as long as we as long as you announce it yes exactly today then it's going to you're adjourning it to a dirt date certain and time certain and sophia i wanted to make sure that that you are available or someone from redistricting partners for Monday, the 18th at 7pm.
47:13Yes, can you hear me?
47:33Yes, we can hear you.
47:35Okay, yes, we will make ourselves available for whatever date you choose. And just as a kind of a reminder to the Council and the public that under the Fair Maps Act, you need to have at least four public hearings. And because the last meeting and at this meeting we won't be talking about the redistricting items so currently you're at zero public hearings. And another reminder your deadline is not December 15, like other cities, it is late April so you do have a larger window of time to have your hearings and and give it the time that it needs so just want to put those two comments out there.
47:36Yeah, and that's what I wanted to remind the council is that we have till mid April to do this so I don't know if there's the urgency to get it done before the end of the year we can go into January and still have three months to finalize this process.
48:18Mayor this is Ty.
48:33Yes, go ahead Council member.
48:36I cannot do Monday the 18th. I do have a work commitment that night. I think we should just update the noticing since we are moving this to the, I would like to move this to the Tuesday and update the noticing for the rest of the schedule. I think that would just make it cleaner and that way, you know, we know exactly what to look forward to because having two meetings back to back, I'm not sure how much input we can get. and how much of a difference of input we can get between those two days.
48:37I tend to agree, council members, so I'll interpret that as a motion substitute.
49:12Yes, I'll move to adjourn this public hearing to the next council meeting, which is October 19 at 7pm and direct the city clerk to update the timeline for the rest of the public. I will second that.
49:18And did I hear 7pm not 8pm is that correct?
49:34And just for clarification that means you'll also bring back the updated resolution on the 19th. That's correct. Okay, thank you.
49:38Alright, so we have a motion by Councilmember Fan, actually a substitute motion by Councilmember Fan, and a second I believe by Councilmember Lopez.
49:46Any other questions or comments?
49:56I just wanted to say that I don't care when we have it just I'll make myself available.
50:00Thank you for that. All right I think there's no other questions or comments. So we the motion is to adjourn to October 19th at 7 pm.
50:06We will keep this public hearing open just to make sure that we are consistent and in noticing and requirements. So Madam Clerk, if you'll please call roll, or do you want us to use a device?
50:18Yes, if council members can please cast your votes.
50:30Council member Hernandez, if you...
50:38Okay, motion passes with 6-1, and we're council member Becerra Lopez Mendoza-Fan, Mayor Pro Tempeñalosa, Mayor Sarmiento voting yes, and council member Hernandez is absent.
50:49Great, thank you. Thank you for that. We'll go ahead and revisit that item at the next meeting. Let me go ahead and thank you to the consultant for their flexibility on this matter as well. So let me move along to staff presentations, and that is the update on COVID-19, and I'll turn it over to the city manager.
51:02Okay, we do have a very brief presentation, but i'll go ahead and begin while Daniel is loading that. So good evening, honorable mayor and members of the city council tonight's brief COVID-19 update includes information about new COVID-19 vaccination mandates for students and a proposed vaccine requirement by OSHA for employers with 100 or more and i'll also update you on my operational directive to mandate it for our employees. So this past Friday, Governor Newsom announced plans to require student vaccinations, adding the COVID-19 vaccine to a list of vaccinations that are already required for school.
51:22This means that students will be required to be vaccinated for in-person learning starting the term following the FDA full approval of the vaccine for their grade span. The California Department of Public Health will be adding the COVID-19 vaccine to other existing vaccinations required for the in-person attendance specifically this will be accomplished through promulgation of regulations as permitted in current law the mandate will be a condition of in-person attendance for all students of any private or public elementary or secondary school the vaccine requirements will be phased in by grade span students will be required to be
52:01vaccinated for in-person learning starting the term following the fda full approval for their grade spans grade seven through 12 first followed by K through six based on current projections for full approval for ages 12 and older it is anticipated that these requirements would apply to grades seven through 12 beginning on July 1st 2022 of note the current verify or test requirements for staff will be converted to a vaccine mandate no later than when the first phase of the student requirement becomes effective the state will initiate a formal rulemaking process
52:38which includes public comment and the regulations will address many details of the requirements including the scope of exemptions and questions about these planned vaccine mandates should be directed to the California Department of Public Health. Last month the federal government announced that Occupational Safety and Health Administration or OSHA is working on a rule that would do an emergency temporary standard that would mandate employers with 100 or more employees to make the requirement that their employees get vaccinated or submit to regular COVID-19 testing. OSHA's
53:13announcement currently specifies that this rule will apply to private sector employers. However, OSHA has not released their emergency temporary standard or written policy on this matter, and therefore we will need to evaluate if the rule, when it is released, if it's going to apply to public sector employees most of the individuals in this area right now do believe they would extend it to public sector employees like santa anna but as mentioned before at a council meeting i did make an operational decision to make a mandate to move forward with all of our employees
53:50with that we have notified the different bargaining groups and today there was a first kickoff held by our hr director with each one of the bargaining groups where they are we are working collaboratively on addressing any of the impacts of this decision. And one of the first steps that we are in agreement with the unions on doing is doing a thorough survey so that we will be able to determine exactly what percentage of our employees have already been vaccinated. This certainly will help us in implementing those procedures in the near future. And I will
54:23definitely keep you updated on our progress. Finally, booster shots. You've probably heard lot about the booster vaccines in the media the Pfizer vaccine has been approved for booster doses for the most vulnerable individuals this includes individuals that are 65 and older long-term care residents and people age 50 to 64 with underlying medical condition conditions the vaccine eligibility will expand to other groups once those individuals have had the opportunity to receive their booster vaccine and where to get your booster vaccine if you meet the
54:54requirements to having that they're available through all health care providers clinics and neighborhood pharmacies eligible residents can contact their health care provider or simply visit myturn.ca.gov to make their appointments and that concludes tonight's presentation on covet and certainly be happy to answer any questions you may have thank you for that presentation
55:30madam city manager any questions or comments for the city manager on this item mayor pro tem
55:52No questions, Mayor, but just wanted to give a bit of information. Maybe at the next COVID update, Madam City Manager, you could add the website where residents could get the digital vaccine record. a lot of people still don't know about it it's myvaccinerecord.cdph.com or gov if you could verify that but um it's basically getting your your physical card and getting a digital record of it so you could have on your phone which is convenient so maybe if you could include that next time that'd be awesome certainly sir thank you great thank you for that uh council member lopez
55:59Do we have an ongoing list online or anywhere else that people can access of where to get vaccinated? We just saw the equity map and we saw that I don't think we're at. We do have
56:37information on where to contact but we could add to it to make it more robust to specific locations.
56:49That'd be great. Thank you. Okay. Great. Seeing no other comments. Just one last thing Madam City Manager, I know that in your conversations with the bargaining units during the meet and confer process, we are making clear that in the event that there is some religious verifiable religious reason or underlying medical condition that will prevent somebody from receiving the vaccination, there will be alternative options made available like showing a negative COVID test. So there is some option for those employees.
56:54Absolutely there will be built-in exemptions and we're really looking forward to OSHA's rule when it comes out because we would certainly look to it for guidance on the best way to
57:27handle those required exemptions. Great thank you for that so let me move along to the next item which is to ask the city attorney if there's anything to report at a closed session. Mayor
57:36council members and members of the public we did have two closed session or three closed session of this evening but we do not have any reportable action great thank you uh madam city attorney
57:49let me go ahead and move uh along to the next matter so i'm going to take something out of order normally what we do is we have our uh council member comments at the uh at the very tail end of the meeting but um you know uh a week ago tonight there was a tragic incident that occurred here in the city we had an officer involved shooting where one of our residents lost his life and that was you know a very tragic tragic moment there was a shooting that occurred
57:58that was initiated by the Anaheim police department within the city boundary so I've We have advanced other items in the past before that are of significant interest to the public. This one is even more personal because it is it was a relative of one of our one of our colleagues here Council Member Hernandez. So as chair, I want to advance the council member comments now and at the request of council member Hernandez as a point of personal privilege for him to address the public on this matter.
58:34Now I'm gonna go ahead and move the council member comments to this moment at the meeting. I'll invite any other council members who would like to speak early and now, and those who don't can go ahead and speak at the tail end of the meeting. But let me go ahead and start with council member Hernandez and mayor pro tem.
59:13I just had a quick question, Mr. Mayor.
59:35Because we do have a youth commissioner waiting to get appointed. and i don't know how long this discussion will be so can can we move up item number 10 from the consent calendar since it'll take less than five minutes i think that makes sense do you mind
59:37council member hernandez for us to go ahead and swear in our new youth commissioner we care about children in this city there we go all right so let me go ahead and advance item number 10 i believe
59:52right yeah um and i guess i'll just make the motion uh to well pull number item 10 from the consent calendar and make the motion to approve or to appoint Kimberly Cabrera to the youth commission for a partial term expiring in December of 2022.
1:00:01And I'll second that. So we have a motion and a second, seeing no comments or questions on that. Madam Clerk, if you'll please call roll on that. I believe she's here too, to get sworn in.
1:00:18Yes, she is. And if I could ask the council members to cast your vote, please.
1:00:28Council member Mendoza, if you could please cast your vote.
1:00:38Thank you. Motion carries seven zero with council members, Becerra Hernandez, Lopez Mendoza, and Mayor Potempeñalosa and Mayor Sarmiento voting yes. Thank you.
1:00:44I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will
1:01:05bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States
1:01:28and the Constitution of the State of California
1:01:37and the Constitution of the State of California that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion that I will
1:01:39well and faithfully discharge the duties
1:01:54upon which I'm about to enter. Thank you.
1:01:59Congratulations.
1:02:27Thank you for that reminder, Mayor Pro Tem. We certainly don't want to have our new commissioners having to wait another few hours just to get sworn in so that was a good call let me go ahead and bring this back to the council as I said we're going to be advancing any any of the council members that would like to address the public at this point and I'm going to begin by calling on council member Hernandez who I know asked for a point of personal privilege to address the council on the item that on the issue that happened a week ago so council member Hernandez thank you Mr. Mayor I'm going to start by sharing
1:02:38I'm hearing a quote.
1:03:14It's never been this isn't the quote, but it's never been so hard to be strong.
1:03:17Today. The quote is from Maya Angelou.
1:03:25We may encounter defeats. But we must not be defeated.
1:03:31Having been raised in this community, I understand exactly the complex challenges that our residents are facing on a daily basis.
1:03:40Last year, I watched Derek Chauvin kneel on George Floyd's neck for nine plus minutes.
1:03:53as other officers stood on the sidelines and watched.
1:04:06And I know in their heart of hearts, they wish they could do something.
1:04:12But would they be safe had they done something?
1:04:21And as a result, George Floyd died.
1:04:27I remember watching that and just feeling frozen and asking myself, when is it going to end? And are we next? And I decided to run for office because I didn't see a voice of reason. I didn't see a champion for justice and dignity and hope. And to be an advocate for justice is not to be anti-anything.
1:04:31And so I decided to run for office. And ironically, my opponent was a sheriff.
1:05:09There is no, when I have council meetings, I don't have anybody call me before a meeting and tell me how to vote. What you see in how I govern is the voice of people. People who have been oppressed, marginalized, disenfranchised, and kept out of these conversations. So if my voice makes you uncomfortable today, expect more of us up here.
1:05:16and as i ran for office a lot of people counted me out a lot of people attacked me and i hope people understand just how important our voices are now more than ever i told my community the only way cops are going to stop killing us and there's amazing officers that we have in san anna pd compassionate good-hearted officers that truly do care about our community i mean what are the chances we have a chief of police that grew up in this community you don't
1:05:48see that very often there are good officers out here but unfortunately many of them are seeing I'm singular in this broken system.
1:06:24And when I ran for office and I was elected, I knew that on my worst day, I needed to be a champion for causes that made people uncomfortable.
1:06:39Because I grew up on a side of town where there are no support groups for what I'm going through today. I grew up on a side of town where my cousin's kids had to go to school the next day. His sister had to go to work.
1:06:51So when you see young men and women fall through the cracks in our community, stop asking yourself why.
1:07:06Stop asking yourself why is there so much gang violence in this community when we're building a streetcar but we're not building more libraries, parks and recreational centers.
1:07:16what's shocking and appalling about the people that are clapping is the people that aren't clapping because they look the same
1:07:31last week
1:07:45as a professional i work for a county program as as a mental health professional i work with children ages 5 to 18. I was dealing with a de-escalation of a child that struggled with mental health conditions since he was a baby. And I effectively de-escalated the situation at around 530, maybe 545. And I needed to decompress. So I went to the gym. And on my way to the gym, I saw Santa PD do a very good job of containing a situation that I had no idea was going to be so
1:07:48close to me. And I drove past it. And I said, this looks contained. And I went to the gym. And as I was in the gym, I got a call from my mother saying the person that is in that vehicle is your cousin brandon and anaheim pd is on site and i immediately left
1:08:23not only
1:08:51did i leave because this was my loved one but because i know my cousin's trauma forward and back we grew up in the same community he's my blood i grew up playing on a carpet with him playing with tech decks as we went through a CD album with all of our favorite CDs. Sometimes we'd go to my grandmother's bathroom and steal his sister's CDs from under their restroom cabinet.
1:08:54TLC is a good group, I must say.
1:09:23But what I was alarmed by as a mental health professional is that I know that people with untreated mental illnesses are 16 times more likely to be killed by police during a police encounter than other civilians when they're approached or stopped by law enforcement. According to a new study released by the Treatment Advocacy Center, numbering fewer than 1 in 50 U.S. adults, individuals with untreated severe mental illnesses are involved in at least 1 in 4 and as many as half of all fatal police shootings.
1:09:26We live in a country that is dismantled mental health treatment mental health systems. These such tragedies. Underscore the need to get police and prosecutors out of the business of responding to mental health and public health.
1:10:07not only is the data reflective that if you are having a mental health crisis it may very well equal death in the hands of the police i've experienced this firsthand i don't want to be in this position today I have seen some of the most disgusting comments I've ever seen in my life. I have received death threats. I have seen people tarnish my name, my cousin's name, as if I want to be in this position today.
1:10:33When I arrived on the scene, and this is all public record, these police cameras, legislation was passed. And I can assure you there are people that are going to obtain these body cams. And when I arrived to the scene, I saw my neighbors on Bristol and Santa Ana Boulevard by the Clinica.
1:11:08And I told law enforcement, SAPD, there was three officers, two female officers, one male officer. And it appears he may have recognized me. And I said, I have some intel that can change the course of this investigation. I said, that is my cousin. He's having a mental health crisis. And I'm a mental health professional. And I'm also the elected that represents this district. And as she had her hand on her gun, her immediate response was, you're no more special than anyone else here.
1:11:29And I said, why are you so aggressive and why is your hand on your gun? I'm trying to make sure that we do our job right in Santa Ana. I'm trying to make sure you don't kill somebody.
1:12:03and if there isn't any more evidence indicative of the danger that we are in in the hands of police when it comes to mental health her response was people kill people every day
1:12:14and i said but you'll get away with it
1:12:27i was there two hours before he was shot killed by anaheim pd
1:12:33and as i told her that her response was if you're so concerned about keeping people safe how about you tell your neighbors to go inside so they don't get traumatized the issue is here is i'm sure she's a good person she just masterfully understands the system that she works for she understands how it's designed and i'm sure she wanted to see him get saved as well but she understood there's nothing we can do.
1:12:40That's what that response meant. People like myself that have been on the other side of these issues, we've been studying these departments from the inside. We have experienced the hyper-policing in our communities. The fact that my voice makes so many people here uncomfortable is alarming because your loved ones are one bullet away from being a hashtag.
1:13:11The irony that last year I marched for George Floyd. This is our March today. It's at the dais.
1:13:38And it's only going to grow.
1:13:50So I wanted to take this opportunity to tell my neighbors, we're in danger. There's a narrative that, oh, my cousin's name is in the media because I'm an elected. You got it wrong. The reason why my name is being brought up is because it does not matter if you're an elected. It doesn't matter if your father's watching you get slaughtered by a police department. They'll shove him in the back of a cop car and they'll say shut up essay. You're not his dad. How do I know you're his dad? And when they do find out you're his dad, the first question is, does he have a gun?
1:13:54If you don't stop making noise in this car, I'm going to roll up your windows.
1:14:33the worst part was the sounds of him getting executed we were there for hours already and you know what Santa Ana did a good job de-escalating and I was actually very proud
1:14:40but Anaheim came in like the big dog
1:14:53predominantly Anglo-American officers came into an urban community and turned it into a war zone
1:14:58and dapped each other after and left leaving us people of color children moms sisters families to pick up the pieces we don't want to mourn his loss on a construction site on the crossroads
1:15:05but now we're forced to build community
1:15:24and even if my voice makes you uncomfortable you should be proud that there are voices like mine in government because history is riddled with people like me getting murdered because my voice reverberates throughout this community there's a reason why people are showing up on the streets we're not gonna tear down buildings we're not protesting We're not burning things. We just want to mourn. But unfortunately, you put us in a position where we have to organize.
1:15:28My family's here today.
1:16:00And I never would wish the trauma that they're going through on anyone. I've never been more afraid in my life around police.
1:16:04i was shaking as i walked into the chambers today
1:16:18this issue is real everybody this isn't political this issue sees no political boundaries anymore this issue is not just something you're going to see on tv it's coming into our backyards and it's taking the people you love So film the police.
1:16:24Run for office. Submit public comment cards. Fill the council chambers. We're not going to protest and go to the belly of the beast. They just killed us. But we are going to your bosses.
1:16:44In closing, in closing, I understand the very danger I'm putting myself in. I understand the danger of recall campaigns. I understand they're going to smut my name. I understand that. But I'm a something that you're not going to work outwork us in our neighborhood. If I didn't show you that once, I will show you that again.
1:17:14and you know what santa ana police department
1:17:45i saw them do their best at one point there and i was very proud but let me tell you why we're having this issue there's two police departments in this city there's chief david Valentin who's doing a great job and you know who's on the other side.
1:17:52So if we want justice, we can't come together and fight for it today, fight each other tomorrow. If you care and you have had any experiences with trauma in this community and you went the wrong direction in life, I'm telling you, get help. If you are struggling with mental health,
1:18:12Talk to us, reach out to me. If you're from a barrio and you gang bang, stop killing each other because what we're going up against is bigger than us.
1:18:34There needs to be a better way. And I'm telling you, we need your voices now more than ever. I am in a very ugly position that I never thought I would have to to be in. And I'm doing this today so that you don't have to be here tomorrow. But my cousin Brandon's shooting won't be the last.
1:18:50So officers, please understand.
1:19:16Our lives are valuable. My cousin Brandon didn't ask to be traumatized. He lived in a community where this happens on a daily basis. And if you made an oath to protect and serve, and you are not a qualified mental health professional to understand what happened in that car, then let us do our job. Then let the mental health professionals help people in need. Because a mental health crisis should not equal death.
1:19:21long live Brandon Lopez and everybody else who has been a victim to police violence that concludes my comments.
1:19:58Thank you Council Member and as I said, I advanced the option of any Council Member making their public comments here at this point. Those who wish to defer and do it at the end of the meeting you're free to do so, but let me just go down the list of the Council and ask them if they'd like to address and make a public comment now or go ahead and reserve it to the tail end of the meeting, so let me start with Council Member Sarah.
1:20:18Oh wait till the end of the meeting right Council Member Lopez.
1:20:41I differ.
1:20:44Council Member Mendoza.
1:20:46Yes, I will say a few words. Every life is valuable and it is tragic when we lose another person. My condolences to my colleague, Fernandez, and my sympathy to the family. No parent should ever have to go through this pain. I also want to commend the men and women in uniform. I was also downtown Santa Ana when the chase started. And I was very proud to see that our officers
1:20:48were keenly aware of the traffic and the dangers and the risks that they were putting themselves and the public in. And they did a marvelous job. So I'm very proud of our Santa Ana Police Department.
1:21:23Great thank you for those comments Councilmember Mendoza let me go down the line Councilmember Fan I defer Mayor Pro Tempeñalosa end of the meeting great thank you I'll go ahead and address the public now I have some brief brief comments to make and I just want to extend my sympathies to my colleague council member Hernandez and also to the family of Brandon Lopez so let me begin by just saying you know Brandon was not perfect as all of us aren't perfect and that doesn't mean
1:21:42though that he wasn't he wasn't entitled to due process or did he abdicate his civil rights you know as with other police pursuits this one shouldn't have should have ended with an arrest should have ended with a detention, but it shouldn't have ended with a murder. He was headed home, he was blocks from his house, he was in his neighborhood, he was trying to get home to his family. This was essentially a property crime which was occurring for a vehicle theft. And let me reiterate what I think others are trying to distort this into.
1:22:21this is not a statement that is meant to intend that all police officers are bad that's too simple a response for a complex question like this when we're talking about an excessive force case or a wrongful death case you know i think our officers here in santa ana try to de-escalate they try to negotiate for several hours before anaheim pd took control of the crime scene There are a lot of questions that we need to ask, and that's one of the things I wanted to raise at this moment, which was, why were there no mental health professionals called to the site?
1:23:03And the irony is that council member Hernandez, who was present, was not only a relative, was not only the ward representative for that district, but he was also a mental health professional that offered his professional services to help defuse and de-escalate this incident. You know, the other question I have is, you know, why make a provocative decision to fire a flash grenade into the vehicle rather than simply wait?
1:23:44Why was there a forced evacuation of the vehicle? Why was that met with lethal force? If you see some of the video footage that's circulating on social media and other media outlets, it really does appear to be a firing squad. And this is unlike other incidents that we've seen when you have somebody who's a fleeing suspect down a dark alley and where split second decisions need to be made. This incident had been going on for over four hours.
1:24:19So my question to our department is one of how we treat family members who are present. This won't be the first time this incident, an incident like this comes before us when we have family members present. The family, just like other members of the public, are especially subject to trauma. and they'll require attention, but at the very least, they'll require respect and dignity. They're going through a difficult moment. They don't know how to prevent it from happening, and there is desperation in any family members right when they see their child,
1:24:54a spouse, a relative, anybody that's going through a moment like that.
1:25:34The other question I have is what's the policy for relinquishing control of a local crime scene. For me that's something that we need to look at. Because what happens when we relinquish control of a crime scene to another jurisdiction. Is we have another department that may come in that doesn't have the same values or principles that we have. And so that is very alarming because we go a long way, I think, in instilling different practices and policies by our officers, and it looked like they were being implemented at the time.
1:25:42And to allow another agency to come in and subject our residents to their policies and their values may not be commensurate with our own. So the question I have is, you know, I'd like to make sure that the state attorney general pursuing an independent investigation, given that this was a multi-agency officer involved shooting, and I'd like our staff to pursue that.
1:26:18And pursuant to recently adopted assembly bill 1506, this should be required because there was an officer involved shooting where the shooting resulted in the death of an unarmed civilian. Also, my question will be the application of Senate bill two, which was just recently signed. I believe that very same day, which will, if in fact, if there is a finding of excessive force and or misconduct, whether or not the certification will apply to those officers involved. So those are just some of the questions I have in addition to letting the public know that we
1:26:57are going to be demanding a very strict timeline on the application of the law. And when it comes to video cam footage, I know that there is a 45 day window for that to be released to the public. And that's something that we are going to require.
1:27:36You know, finally, the irony isn't lost on me that tonight on tonight, you know, on this evening's agenda, we have two items that address this, exactly what we're talking about. And one of them is item number 14, which is a proposed contract with a with CityNet to divert 911 calls from Santa Ana PD to a civilian team when it involves mental illness, welfare checks for people who are experiencing houselessness.
1:27:53This was something that this council discussed during our budget discussions during the summer. And it's coming to us now. And unfortunately, it appears that it came too late. The other item on the agenda that we're going to be discussing is item number 22, which is the creation of the police oversight ad hoc committee. And.
1:28:29And that is pursuant to the request of I think all the Council members to initiate discussions and review for a creation of a commission that addresses oversight. oversight. So I simply want to say again this is a very troubling discussion to be having because I thought that we could do preemptive work as opposed to you know work on something that now is post-incident right. So I want to thank Councilmember Hernandez's leadership. I want to extend my sympathies to him. I want to you know talk to this council to make sure that the values
1:28:55and principles that we have are not relinquished to outside agencies. That to me was one of the most difficult things to see as an outside agency come in and subject one of our residents. Whether or not he or she has any criminal record, again, we don't abdicate our civil rights. We don't have to keep due process that's not the type of society we should be, and we have to change the culture of law enforcement here in our city.
1:29:35And I don't want to subject our residents to cultures of law enforcement and outside cities ever again, so we do need to address that that question. Thank you for indulging us on addressing you. I'm gonna get back to the regular agenda items. I'm gonna begin with public comments.
1:30:09And I should tell you, we have about 114 requests to speak. So I do wanna let you know that we also have people on the phone that are gonna be addressing us. I think they number into the 60s. So we do have a lot of people. It is gonna be a very long night. And I want to let you know that you do have three minutes to address this city council, and we will try to move this along as quickly as possible. So we're gonna have all of you try to get into a queue. And so I'll call about three people at a time. So those that are waiting to speak for us to go ahead and get those on as quickly as possible. Yes, Madam Clerk.
1:30:34Mayor, I wanted to confirm that if you wanted to start
1:31:16with the the elderly that are waiting online first what we do have you know I'd like to begin with Antonio Lopez and then go to those calls if that's okay so let me go ahead and just begin with our our first speaker and then we do have pursuant to pursuant to the American with Disabilities Act we have about 14 or 15 speakers that are disabled or elderly that couldn't make it in, but are requesting to be able to address us through Zoom. So let me get to this speaker, if that's okay, Madam Clerk,
1:31:18and then I'll get back to you with those speakers that are waiting to be heard by phone. Antonio Lopez?
1:31:56I want to give the council, I want to thank them for giving me an opportunity to speak in behalf of my son.
1:32:21Right now, being next to these, and I don't wanna be rude or anything, I'm scared.
1:32:34These two and the one sitting in the audience,
1:32:44I've been shaking in my pants for the time I've been here.
1:32:50I have to be careful that I don't move in a certain way because I'm afraid that they might shoot. Just like they did to my son on that day. They took an oath to protect and to serve. They didn't do that to my kid. They came, they shot, and they massacred him.
1:32:56The oath that they took, that just went down the toilet.
1:33:31And right now I can't even think. I never expected a police officer to do something that gross to another human being.
1:33:41That was a death squad.
1:33:57You only see that kind of stuff in the movies.
1:34:00And on behalf of my son, I want him to die in vain. As far as if he had to die for a cause, I want it to be for him to help people that have mental illness. And if there can be a reform or some kind of restructure for teaching officers to be more respectful and more self-controlled, so be it.
1:34:05But I just want to have justice and peace for my son.
1:34:47because if there's no justice there's no peace and if there's no peace there's not going to be any justice
1:34:53and i think and i think that's it i i can't say anymore because
1:35:02i just want to thank you and i want to thank you for everything that you're gonna to do in the future as well as my nephew, Johnny.
1:35:13He has given us a lot of support just like you have, Mayor.
1:35:24And I just wanna thank him from the bottom of my heart.
1:35:31And I'll let my wife speak next if she is next. Thank you, Mr. Lopez. Thank you. Thank you.
1:35:38uh michelle torres
1:35:53okay uh
1:36:00louise louise wong
1:36:05So this will be the last speaker before we go to the, before we go to the phone call.
1:36:14Mr. Mayor. Go right ahead. My apologies. I understand there was Michelle Lopez. She's not comfortable speaking too much, but I know her mom will speak, just wanted to speak on her behalf instead. johanna lopez i don't know if she's here
1:36:25that mrs lopez for the record
1:36:54Mayor Pro Tem Council.
1:37:02At 1023 PM this evening, one week would have passed since my son Brandon Anthony Lopez's life was taken from him by the violent approach utilized on him by Anaheim PD SWAT team. Vigils have been held. Condolecences have been received by me along with all those loved ones Brandon's death has left behind. After the initial shock, our family is left with anger and grief. Can you imagine how many other families are dealing with the same emotions if they find themselves in a similar position?
1:37:08Several disturbing issues come to mind.
1:37:44yet our family only comes back to the same conclusions
1:37:49why did santa anna police department allow anaheim pd to take take over jurisdiction
1:37:54why weren't there any increased methods of de-escalation being utilized
1:38:02Why weren't crisis negotiators or mental health professionals allowed to become more engaged with the situation?
1:38:11And the most important of all, why aren't we promoting the availability of mental health services more frequently in a city and county level?
1:38:23After so many countless and unnecessary deaths, we can expect tactical forms from law.
1:38:36Enforcement agencies, these violent processes don't work. Brandon is not a martyr, yet Brandon's death will serve as the platform to ensure police reforms become a reality. Thank you for allowing me to speak on his behalf and on behalf of his loved ones.
1:38:46Thank you, Mrs. Lopez. We extend our sympathies once again. Luis Manuel Huang, you're our last speaker before we go to the phone.
1:39:14Thank you, Mayor.
1:39:26I'm trying to collect my thoughts because so much has already been said already Jonathan brother
1:39:36I'm here
1:39:52I don't know why I'm here
1:39:55I'm not even, I'm not from this area.
1:39:58I'm here to show some love to my council member, to the Hernandez family, to the Lopez family.
1:40:03I'm gonna take the opportunity to take this off.
1:40:19this on that I got outside camera cushion tonight I'm here representing and speaking for Brandon Lopez because he's he can no longer speak for himself we have to do better we have We have to do better.
1:40:26We can talk about policy. We can talk about a lot of stuff. Mayor, we hear you, we see you, thank you. Let's step away from this.
1:41:01County jails can be institutions of learning, free education.
1:41:13A lot of rent control folks right here. That's money out of families. that's money out of families and it's food we need to do better for the community we need to do more
1:41:20we need to do more thank you
1:41:38thank you i'm going to go ahead and turn over the meeting the clerk of the council she i believe has some residents that are on Zoom and that want to address the council and they are disabled and elderly and cannot be present at the council meeting so I'm going to go ahead and allow them to speak at this point so Madam Clerk go ahead and take those those calls. Thank you.
1:41:47um i zoom id queen young if you would thank you you may proceed
1:42:14can you hear me yes we can hear you you may proceed with your comment
1:42:24hello queen Quay Vuong.
1:42:34Honorable Mayor and committee council members, my name is Steve Vuong. I am a senior resident at Malingheim Mobile Home Park in Santa Ana.
1:42:41I watched the parade this May last meeting and have the following public comments.
1:42:55Can you speak up a little bit, Quivong, please?
1:43:01For too long now, politics as usual has been about accepting political donations while by touring and defending that housing injustice.
1:43:08Kwevong, are you done or did you get disconnected?
1:43:32Too long now, politics.
1:43:37We cannot hear you really clearly.
1:43:46Looks like most of the State Council is gone.
1:44:02But I'm going to share a statement for him because he can't say it over the phone.
1:44:06This is Kui Boon. Actually, I'd rather you see his face in the mind because I will share some words later. He is a resident of Bali Hai. He's 58 years old. He's a Vietnamese refugee. And this is what he tried to say. For too long, politics as usual has been about accepting political donations, while ignoring and pretending that housing injustice and unfair business practices do not exist in Santa Ana. All the chickens have come home to roost under your watch. Rent stabilization will help the city avoid unintentional outcomes of their own making, for ignoring to address the issue sooner. What is it about two plus two?
1:44:12It cannot be more than four. Do you not understand? As the situation is allowed to worsen while we wait for the impact studies, there comes a point of no return and hell to pay for those left holding the bag. Just do it. Do it now. There is no more time to waste. The voting electorate of the city of Santa Ana are no longer being apathetic or being kept unaware. These voters care deeply about the way they live, but the city they live in and grow up and its aspirations for a vibrant and prosperous future by caring for its own people first and prioritizing profitability last the entire city council voting record is now under scrutiny
1:44:48we all have our eyes on you in order to keep you honest serious and true to your campaign promises to protect and serve the community of santa anna and not those outside interests who do not have skin in the game to save the city when these outside investors offer you thousand dollar bribes here and there in the form of political donations in order for you to allow them to justify housing gouging activities to overwhelm and undermine local resident families who are suffering renters when you accept these donations and hide behind excuses and processes in order to
1:45:27delay procrastinate defeat and ignore the most vulnerable members of your own community you are effectively betraying santa anna and doing the city a disservice as an elected official It's really unfortunate some of the city council members who voted no last time aren't here to listen to see the faces of the people they didn't hear last time. These were the Vietnamese residents who were interrupted midway. They didn't have proper translation and I'm glad one is returning now. So to continue with Mr. Quee, your vote today will illustrate your commitment and determination
1:45:59to do the right thing, the right way for all the reasons to uplift humanity, decency, and caring citizenship instead of tearing down fragile safety nets through irresponsible actions that are guaranteed to produce outcomes everyone in the city is trying to avoid poverty misery bankruptcy induced illnesses and involuntary homelessness so please cast your vote wisely or the city environmental impact study you will have left to evaluate is how you will be voted out of office and shamed for choosing to serve the financial interests of a few wealthy and greedy
1:46:31outsiders and their lobbying arms at the expense of so many local residents who put you in office in the first place as an urgent emergency rescue measure i strongly encourage every member of the city council to vote yes on rent stabilization say no to any preventable housing gouging and leave the irrelevant argument on both sides of the rent control excuse to die natural death yours truly quay vun resident of valley high senior mobile home park santa anna thank you
1:47:00Thank you. Zoom ID Indigo, if you would please select the microphone icon. Oh, my apologies.
1:47:31Indigo, can you please reduce the volume on where you're listening to the
1:47:44meeting thank you proceed with your comment
1:47:54Hello everyone, my name is Hồ Kim Lan, I'm 83. I live here for 9 years. I only have a lot of money for this study. I only have a lot of money for this study. I only have a lot of money for this study. I am very hard to ask my child to help you with more money. I am asking my staff to help you with more money for this study.
1:48:12I have lived in Bali for a few years. I thank you very much.
1:48:51here for nine years i only received one hundred nine hundred and thirty dollars in social security each month for the monthly land lease payments are one thousand one hundred and five dollars it's very difficult i have to beg my children and grandchildren to help support me by sending me money to pay rent i'd like to ask the mayor and his three-plus members to help by capping the annual grant increases for less than three percent so that i can live keep living and valley five for a few more years thank you very much
1:49:21Hello everyone, my name is Trị Lê, 83 and Lan Hoàng, 81, 21 tuổi cứ ngủ tại số 17 movie home 3D2 thời gian 9 năm qua chúng tôi sống với tiền SSA cố định 1.600 đồng mà chi phí tổng cộng trên 1.300 đồng do đó đời sống chúng tôi vô cùng khó khăn trước Here, the land tax increases in every year only 15.
1:50:11But in the past two years, the land has a reason to compare with the trade market like Bosa and Westminster, so it increases in total 3 times up to 140. And it will continue to increase. Still, Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim
1:50:48Kim
1:51:12Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim
1:51:16First, through the U.S. program, the money to rent and land. Second, don't let us become a house. Third, we have the right value of the human rights in the United States. Thank you very much.
1:51:36Now for the translation portion. Well, our names are Juy Leng, 83 years old, and Lanpong, 81 years old. We currently live at number 17, mobile home, Valley High. We have lived there for the past 10 years. We live on a monthly fixed income from SSI and SSA, a combined total of $1,600. dollars our cost of living presently tells more than thirteen five hundred dollars therefore
1:52:01our life is extremely different previously the land rents increased by only fifteen dollars per year for the past 20 years but in the past four years our property managers at joh have used the excuse to compare rent for senior parks like valley high with family parks in commercial areas such as bolsa and westminster to increase our space rental to over 140 a month and it will continue to increase according to their plan to eventually convert our senior part to a family part for more revenue is this legal and possible
1:52:34the mobile phone valley client used to be very desolate and unsafe the first landowner The government had a philanthropic policy to help the elderly and the poor live. Now the land has passed away, transferred to the merchants, and so they exploit us. So we asked the Santa Ana City Council to help us buy. One, please implement the rent stabilization ordinance in order to keep the rent increases in senior mobile home parks like Valley High within reasonable limits. 2. Not allowing us to eventually become bankrupt and homeless.
1:53:173. Please protect our human right to live with dignity and peace of mind, with affordable housing and sensible community values, respect, caring, and decency among human beings that every citizen of the United States and every local resident for San Diego deserve.
1:53:54Dear Mayor, Mr. Midanto and City Council members, my name is Dow Tran. I am 71 years old. I live in senior Bali High Mobile Home with my husband, Tukmai. He is 74 years old. My husband and I came to Bali High over 14 years ago because we wanted to enjoy our retirement in peace and quiet. For many years, we loved living here. But since J and H came in 2016, living in Bali High has become awful.
1:54:28chain-ex care raised our rent by high rates that we cannot afford. The rent of people in Bali Hai has increased from 7% to 30%. The families at Bali Hai Moving Home need your help. Without your support for rent control, many of us will not be able to keep living in Bali Hai. as you know many of us are immigrants and refugees we are low income we have been in america for many
1:55:06decades working hard and raising our family for many of us bali high is where we finally get to enjoy our retirement in peace with our rent control measures that guarantee our rent will be raised 3% maximum per year. Many of us will have to leave the neighborhood. Many of us will have trouble paying our bills. Many of us will become homeless. Please do not take our home from us. Please make sure that you support the rent control measures so that we can continue to live in this. From the bottom of our hearts,
1:55:40we thank you in advance for your support. thank you for listening my name is my i'm 74 years old dear city council representatives representatives of Santa Ana. I am writing for formally requesting your help in dealing with a mobile home rent issue that has sharply arisen with me and others in my neighbors.
1:56:21In the first nine years living in Bali High mobile home of Santa Ana, out of 14 years, the red increase $15 a month each year average 2.12% included no rent increase in 2010 why the Average CPI index from 2006 to 2016 is only 1.973%.
1:57:04In 2016, the rent sudden jumped up to $30 a month, which is double without any good reason. while all those people ran had jumped as much as 9.51 percent 9.70 percent 14.43 percent and more in 2019 once again the rent increase 6.96 percent depending on how long a homeowner has lived there
1:57:39they got their rent up as much 12.22% 13.01% 15.46% 20.69% 22.55%
1:58:20to that I already had brought up the issue three times to the city council for support but nothing has been done the gouging rent continues keeps on increasing 5.51 percent 5.22% in 2020 and 2021.
1:58:40Once again, I would like personally asking Mr. Phil Basara,
1:59:09Mr. David Penland-Losa, Mrs. Nelida Mendoza, to consider your votes in this issue to help the people who are currently suffering With these cost increases, I am hoping we can resolve this issue by setting the rules for owners to increase once a year by following the CPI or 3%, which is the list on before November 2021. Remember, we don't ask for free rent. We just ask for fair rent.
1:59:16So you need to reach me to discuss this future. Please call me at 714-392-9705 or email me to put my 46 at gmail.com. I appreciate your attention to this issue. kindly yours and God bless America thank you
1:59:58mobile homes, Bali High, thời gian 1 năm. Trong năm này, họ tăng tiền thuế đất 50 đồng và tiếp tục tăng. Tiếp khiến tôi lo lắng cho cuộc sống vì tưởng rằng tôi được ở trong khu người già, được hưởng quy chế người già, nhưng không phải vậy.
2:00:48Thank you.
2:01:38My name is Tu and I am 59 years old. I have lived at number 83 at Valley High Mobile Home Lodge for one year. During this last year, they have raised the land lease amount by $50 and are continuing to increase it. I'm worried about my livelihood because I have thought that by living in a mobile senior mobile home park, I would be able to receive senior benefits. But that is untrue. As such, I'm asking the City Council of Santa Ana to help me worry less in my old age by passing rent control so that I can live with human dignity in this great nation of America. Thank you.
2:01:49to Kim Kim
2:02:40Still, I am 17 years old and I am 17 years old and I am 17 years old. Still, I am 17 years old and I am 17 years old.
2:02:46Still, I am actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively
2:03:17Our names are Bit Lê, 76 years old, and Lê Mui-Ng, age 74. We've been living at Valley High Old Home Lodge at number 13 for the past 7 years. Our combined incomes from Social Security and Supplemental Security income total about 1,600. Our bills total over 1,400 in months. Because of this, our lives are very difficult. So we are requesting the City Council help us by 1, passing red control, 2, allowing us the ability to live with dignity in America. Thank you.
2:03:45good evening ladies and gentlemen my name is huang luang i'm 74 years old i'm living in valley high mobile home space 66 for last 16 years uh from beginning i live in the bubble home i paid just about 525 dollars for renting the space and in last four years suddenly that raised up you know now i have to pay uh up to 1800 excuse me 1080
2:04:33and eighty dollar roughly every month and someone higher someone just a little bit lower but over one thousand dollars um my fixed income just about 100 or one thousand one hundred and thirty dollars per month after you know for long long life leave you know so work hard in in america in america when i could just got in i got the sweet dream about america but now in my golden days
2:05:14I have you knows every night I have to wake up and you know stay up all night because I'm thinking about how to pay to rent and because the renting gaussian too high show that make it difficult for us. And we beg you one more time, City Council, please help us, the human right, the human right to live in,
2:05:54in the good quality.
2:06:36And I need your vote to help us. in our golden age oh
2:06:40thank you god bless you
2:06:51i wish you understand us thanks
2:06:55good evening mayor and all members of city council of san l Good evening to everyone who are listening to us. My name is Han Nguyen, 64 years old, a Bali Hai resident. There are 16 of us in our group and after me there are still eight more speakers from Bali Hai. Actually, many residents in our park want to join us here today, but some of them could not come because of being very old, weak, disabled. So this evening, our small group will also speak on their behalf.
2:07:08A couple minutes ago, you have listened to several personal stories of hardship. Yes, they are all true stories. All our Bally High residents are seniors, and most of us lived on fixed income and limited financial resources. And the biggest problem for us is the rent increase every year. Based on our new rent and income ratio is really very, very difficult for us to live on.
2:07:49You see, we are paying up to an excess of about 70 or 80% of our income on rent. this rent increase is pushing us deeper and deeper under the poverty level with this rent increase our quality of life being already at the lowest level is going to get worse by the day low-income families deserve to live the dignity but now
2:08:26instead of living our life, the only thing we are living with is the constant fear of rent increase. Do we call it a life after all? How do you expect us to survive with ever increasing rent? This is always a nightmare for us to think about paying the rent every single day. no time for us to live our lives we have no quality of life anymore we the seniors from
2:09:02bali high mobile home park would like to show you our situation as a typical one that is affecting everyone in the same situation this is happening to all of the low-income mobile home park within Santa Ana. That is why we are asking you to set up a common single policy on rent control. Not only for us, but for everyone having the same situation. Something needs to be done
2:09:38to protect its most vulnerable low-income households. While the landlords were worried about making less money the residents in the city were worried about keeping a roof over their heads we know that at present homelessness is one of the crisis that weighs heavily on the shoulder of city authorities the county's homeless population increased 43 percent between 2017 and 2019
2:10:13with Santa Ana's chair jumping from 26% from 20%. Putting the cap on rent with a common sense rent control to help to stop the runaway homelessness rate. If you do not support rent control, a huge number of low income people will become homeless in future, including us. your time is up. My mobile home will get kicked out of the streets. You have the power to prevent that to happen.
2:10:51So all of us here would like to ask for your strong support for the rent control. We thank you everyone for your time and your patience listening to our stories, particularly the mayor. Please, your time is up. Thank you. Council we look forward to your approval for rent control ordinance thank you very much
2:11:29my name is Denny Ma in my time at Bali high mobile home park I have seen rent increases sometimes twice a year if such increases continue unabated I believe you will see an increase in senior citizen becoming homelessness homeless is an unbearable situation I hope that in the future
2:12:03investors will not be able to profit off the suffering of the elderly the poor and those on fixed incomes they have all paid their debts to society and then some they simply wish to live out their remaining days in peace thank you
2:12:36Our name is Trung Pham, 75 and Hợi Nguyễn, 74. He is currently living in Mobile Home, Bali 2, 5. Santa Ana number five. In 14 years, we live with a monthly monthly dollar dollar. But the cost has been up to $100, so the life is very rich. Before this, the money to the land is only 15 dollars each year, but over 2 years, it has been up to 140 dollars. We are very excited for our life. I thank the city of Santa Ana.
2:13:13We are Trung Pham, 73 years old, and Ho E Nguyen, 74 years old. We currently live in Valley High mobile home number five and have lived here for 14 years. We live with a fixed salary of $1,600, but our expenses total up to $1,300. Thus, our lives are very pitiful. Before, our rent would only increase by $15 a year. But in the past two years, it has increased three times for a total of $140. We are very unsettled about our livelihoods.
2:14:17We respectively ask the Santa Ana City Council to intervene by passing rent control and give us an easier life in America. Thank you so much.
2:14:52i city council of satana we are girlfriend and phone found 78 years old and 75 years old we live in sped 38 mali high mo home park 27 years old since 1994 in 2016 ran only increased 15 or 30 per year right now the landlord has increased by triple and this will continue the coming year
2:15:22so we hope city carson of santana will vote yes for rent stabilization we want to stay in very high and don't want to be homeless. Thank you very much for your support.
2:16:0168 tuổi, living in Mobile Home Bali 2, số 106. In the past, we live with a fixed amount of 1.600, but the cost of 1.300. So our life is very high. Before this, the tax tax only increased 15.000 every year. But two years later, three times increased to 140.000. We are very excited for our lives. I thank the Santa Ana, to participate through the Red Control program
2:16:43that we can live more easily on this earth. I thank the Lord for being here. Thank you, Dinh Huỳnh and Thơm Nguyễn.
2:17:22Before the next speaker starts, please we're going to take a brief pause until we get it.
2:17:36Hold on one second. We're going to English translation at first.
2:17:45We know Council member fan are you still there.
2:17:51Council member fan.
2:17:58Yes, sorry, I was trying to unmute.
2:18:00Okay, we're good now. Go ahead. Thank you.
2:18:02Hi, our names are Ben Wynn, 69 years old, and Tom Wynn, 68 years old. We live at mobile homes down behind, space number 106 for 11 years now. We received in total our total income per month is 1500 and we spend about 13 on rent each month. Previously in the past, our rent would only increase by $15 per year, but in the past two years that rent has increased three times per year.
2:18:06to a total increase of over $140 per year.
2:18:48We ask the city of Santa Ana to pass rent control such that we can live out the remainder of our lives in peace and tranquility. Thanks so much, everyone.
2:18:55We are known as Nguyen, 69, Mary Nguyen, 68, and live in the household of 68, 32. In 2022, we live with the retirement rate of 1.600, and the total cost of 1.400. Therefore, our life is very difficult. We are now in retirement, 2 years ago, every year we have 44 dollars, and we have to pay for 1.300, 500,000.
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2:20:00dear santa anna city council our names are dying whiten 69 years old and marrying whiten 68 years old we live in valley high mobile home number 68 for over for about two years we live on a retirement about $1,600. Our bills total $1,400. Our lives are extremely difficult. The land lease amount alone is $1,100. The last two years, this amount has increased by $44 each year. We are asking the city of Santa Ana to please help us by one, supporting the rent stabilization civilization program.
2:20:38Two, don't let us become homeless. And three, please let us live a life of dignity here in the United States. We have been living, working, and paying our dues in the United States for over 20 years. Thank you.
2:21:18My name is Le Kim Hong, 73. My name is Bali High, Mobile Home, Locked Reign and 64, Santana, Cali 927-04. I lived here for 15 years. My house is 554-887-887.
2:21:47I am actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively actively
2:22:12I have to pay for 1.662. The income income from the tax care of my daughter is 96,000, each month is 1.100, the income income from my daughter is 1.747, the income income from my daughter is 1.660,
2:22:34I have 85 dollars. I would like to help the house to reduce the cost of living in this house. Thank you. Thank you.
2:23:00Hello. My name is Hong Kim Lei, 73 years old. I was born in 1948. I live in Bally Mobile Home, Lodge No. 3, Space 64, Santa Ana, California, 92704. Since 2007, for 15 years, my total monthly rent has increased from 554 to 887, including electricity, water, gas, and trash. Service bills each month, I must pay $997.
2:23:22In addition, my car expenses and insurance total $665 totaling a monthly payment of $1,662. My monthly retirement income plus money I receive for taking care of my 96 year old father equals $1,747. In total, after paying for everything, I only have $85 left. Today, I am old and weak. Thus, I request that the housing costs will be reduced so that I am able to pay my bills and live in my house. Sincerely, from Gimle.
2:23:56my name is joseph lookman a retired priest residing at space number 37 and body high mobile home last number three since uh october 2010 i'm now 93 year old
2:24:44i have been living in the united states 65 years and 60 years as a priest either sitting in colleges and universities or helping people in seven sectors now. And at first I would like to thank the original owner and the local managers for acquired residence with a peaceful atmosphere.
2:25:10I have been enjoying it with gratitude. However, these recent years, the space rent have been increased several times, causing anxiety and worry for senior citizens of low income. In fact, about five or six died already.
2:25:53And the managers claim that the land rent here is much lower than in other libraries. But such a comparison is invalid.
2:26:31Larges on Monza Avenue, Westminster Avenue, etc. are a business area. People are doing business there. So their rent is higher. That's a reasonable. Secondly, I learned from an old American resident in Phase 43 that the original owner's primary
2:26:52My primary intention is to help your senior citizens with low income, indeed, around my mobile home. I met many of them. They are actually worrying about the imposed rent increase.
2:27:31And I myself felt more anxiety and I have been waking up at night several times. So when I consulted my personal doctor and health care specialist, I was told that worry and anxiety are harmful to health and might lead to early death.
2:27:55And it explained to me why five or six persons have died from Malachi mobile home last three recently.
2:28:30Thank you.
2:28:49So we still have a lot of requests to speak to go forward. I'm going to go ahead and call on three of you at a time, please. Those of you who are subsequent to the speaker, please stand behind them. We're going to try to get through this as quickly as possible. You have three minutes. You don't have to use all three minutes. Brevity will be welcome. So let me go ahead and start with Lucero Garcia, Ugochi Nicholson followed by Andrew Linares.
2:28:58Good evening, City Council. My name is Listero Garcia and I'm a senior organizer with Clergy and Laity United for Economic Justice. All faith traditions teach us to care for each other no matter what we look like or where we come from. I invite you to reflect on your calling to serve El Pueblo, the community of Santana and our neighbors who are imploring you to enact rent control, to decrease displacement, and protect the rights and dignity of working families,
2:29:28the elderly, and long-term tenants. People's lives can be tremendously changed when you honor your commitment to serve the most marginalized and their wishes to make protections for renters a reality.
2:30:08Many families and individuals are struggling to keep a roof over their head, including the elderly who spoke before me and the 59% Santana tenants who are severely rent burdened. As people of faith, we urge you to make a way for our neighbors in need, to share in the blessings of a safe and stable home. Tenants have the right to live in dignified housing. We need rent control and tenant protections ordinance immediately
2:30:27as Santana tenants live in fear of uncontrolled rent increases and unjust evictions. The Torah tells us, there shall be no needy among you. Therefore, I command you to open your hand to the poor and needy in the land you occupy. This is our responsibility. Thank you.
2:31:02Thank you. Thank you. Rochi Nicholson, followed by Andrew Linadas, followed by Elizabeth Elizabeth Le Guin.
2:31:32Good evening. Honorable Mayor, members of the Santa Ana City Council. My name is the Gochiana Baron Nicholson. I'm an attorney with the Public Law Center here in Santa Ana. As I mentioned about two and a half weeks ago, we implore the city of Santa Ana to adopt a rent stabilization ordinance. The ordinance is necessary to protect tenants who are at risk of eviction and who are indeed self-evicting, being illegally evicted as we stand here today, and in need of your help so that they can live in dignified housing. The need for rent stabilization and
2:31:44and including anti-harassment protections is needed now more than ever. As we stand here today, there are individual tenants who are at risk of displacement due to eviction, and also at risk of losing their livelihoods in this city. During this pandemic, the city of Santa Ana stood behind its residents and protected its residents, enacting life-saving ordinances that helped us as attorneys defend them in court, keep them housed, and keep them safe.
2:32:25So tonight, we have come before you many years before. We ask you, on behalf of the residents in the City of Santa Ana, to enact rent stabilization. Thank you.
2:33:04Andrew Linares followed by Elizabeth Le Guin followed by Idalia Rios.
2:33:20Good evening, Mayor, City Council. My name is Andrew Linares. I have lived in Santa Ana my entire life. I grew up right here down the street in the neighborhood right next to Mr. Hernandez. I've seen things in my day, not pretty things, and I'm just here. come here most of what you're going to hear from everyone I'm sure you've heard before so I'll be brief I'll be out but I just want to tell you that it's not as simple as this fight of land barons versus the poor that's not really the narrative rent prices it's much more complicated than
2:33:27price gouging has a lot more to do with markets and you know I just have some concerns about the manner in which this went about you can say that you announced your ad hoc committee and you know that's transparent but it's really not fully transparent i'm not going to say you violated the brown act or anything like that uh not the letter at least but the spirit i definitely feel uh kind of goes against that it's not opaque but you know kind of maybe like that mirrored last story you can't quite see through um and just to kind of show you how
2:34:02it's kind of skewed. Literally no one cares about redistricting. There was one public comment and you have 160 for this, yet that's on every website, every email I get, I get invitations to come be a part of redistricting. No one cares. The only people that are directly affected by redistricting is the six of you because that's your political fortunes. Rent control, one meeting, last meeting, this meeting, you're supposed to move forward. Now, Mr. Mayor, you did say that you were hoping that the state would do away with the extended moratorium, and I applaud and I appreciate your optimism.
2:34:36but I just don't really think that pinning our hopes on this on the greater government to come bail us out of a problem is an effective means of governance. I think you guys can do better. This was supposed to be the administration of change, and you guys can do better, and I think we deserve better. So that's some of my issues. Another few issues I have is just you know you could say that rent control is good rent control is bad. There's research on both sides of this for every article you show me that rent control is the godsend. There's an article that says rent control is horrible.
2:35:16So since it's already 4-3, you know I'm just going to highlight a couple of the things that say rent control is bad. had scoring the 2014 study by Outer Palmer and Patak when you D control rent the property values go up and the more rent control you have near those property values, the higher they go. The conclusion that these authors took from that, and these are academics, these aren't partisan people. Those conclusions were that rent control reduces the values of neighborhood as a whole and it
2:35:58makes it less desirable. Do we really need to make Santa Ana less desirable? I'm an attorney. I grew up here and all of my friends that got professional degrees they bailed on this place. Pretty much everyone. The people that stay are the people like Mr. Hernandez and myself, Ms. Lopez, people who have strong ties to the community. My mom owns a condo here. That's why I came back after law school. I lived here my entire life. Okay, I'm not from South County. I don't drive a Lexus. I'm just a person who opposes rent control.
2:36:33Another study, a meta study, sure thing, shows that rent control in San Francisco led directly to higher end housing, which led to gentrification, which led to a widening of income inequality. And you know the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and I urge you to vote against this.
2:37:09Elizabeth Le Guin followed by Idalia Rios.
2:37:31Good evening. My name is Elizabeth Le Guin. I chose to move to Santa Ana seven and a half years ago. I own a home here.
2:37:41and I speak in support of rent control.
2:37:56I think making a community desirable has to do with the people that are in it, not the money that is invested in it.
2:38:01I think that I speak particularly to the people in this room who also own their own homes, to consider not only the research that shows that rent control is good for a community economically,
2:38:17but the moral issue behind this, that the strength of a community and its validity as a human place to live is best measured in the support that it gives to its most vulnerable members. Thank you.
2:38:37Idalia Rios, followed by Maricela Castro, followed by Johanna Rojas. Buenas noches, alcalde, concejales. my name is idalia rios and i'm here to tell you that 12 years ago when i was married and my husband had been deportated santana was the city that opened the doors and i think that the city that changed my life and as i was a lonely mother and i fought for my children and for the goodwill of other families i'm here in the name of those families who cannot be here because they are working to provide a a certain techo digno for their homes.
2:39:03I know that more than 90% of our students are of Latinx or Latinx. I know that more than 56% of the residents of Santana are inquilinos and Latinx. When I am in front of you and look at your names, I can see that several names of here are of Latinx. So, we all come from the same descendants. Unfortunately, we all have the same privileges. And I'm talking to my representative, Ms. Anelida Mendoza, who we had the honor to meet two times in the community of Lacey,
2:39:43where she, as a mother, as a representative of a school, and who has been alongside students, alongside other mothers, nos prometió que iba a apoyar todo lo que tuviera que ver con la vivienda para beneficiar a las familias de Santana. Esa es una oportunidad de que verdaderamente ese apellido de descendencia de la Tilex realmente apoye a los residentes de su ciudad, realmente apoye a las familias que tienen que trabajar dos, tres trabajos para poder tener un techo. En ese momento pido que aprueben la estabilización de renta
2:40:22Also a congelation of rentals while the order is effective, because the minimum we can have is a living dignified for our children's future, for the future of our parents, and that they choose to choose the community before choosing the personal or economic benefits. First is the people, first is the community, before the profits or the gains. Thank you.
2:41:02Good evening.
2:41:37My Mr. Mayor City Council, my name is Daniel Rios, and I'm here on this issue because 12 years ago, when I was pregnant and my husband was deported, Santa Ana is the one that opened the doors to me and Santa Ana is the city that changed my life. As a single mom, I'm here to support other single moms, other families on this to have dignified housing. In a city where over 90% of the students are Latinx, over 56% of the Santa Ana residents are Latinx. And I see your last names here in front of you on the dais and there are Latinx last names.
2:41:40And we are here, but sadly, not all of us have the same privileges. And I'm mentioning in particular my representative, Nevada Mendoza. We met twice in the Lacey neighborhood as a mom, as a representative, supporting college students. And our students, she was supporting, other moms are supporting you. and you said you were, you promised you would support us, you would support housing in Santa Ana. And the last names sometimes do not support other families as well.
2:42:19Families that are having difficult times are supporting, they need two to three jobs to put a roof over their heads. We need you to approve rent stabilization and in the meantime to freeze rents because we need to do this for the future of the families, for the future of the residents. We ask you to choose the community before your personal interest, before your business interest, people before profits. Marisela Castro followed by Johanna Rojas followed by Mireya Gutierrez.
2:43:01Followed by Silvia Avendano.
2:43:36good evening members of the council, Mr. Alcalde and Council, my name is Marisela Castro, I am resident of Santa Ana for more than 20 years, I live in the neighborhood Leisi. I am here to ask you to address the crisis of housing. We need a stabilization of rent and protection of cause just. our families, friends and neighbors are being displaced unjustly. Some with debt to lose their jobs and others with excessive increases. I have suffered the increase in the rent a pesar of the pandemic. The minimum salary of 14 dollars that my husband has no reach.
2:43:43He has to work extra extra and leave our family for many hours. to cover the rent, since it is more important to pay the rent so you don't be displaced like other families. All of us who live in this city deserve to live as you do. You represent our community. You were chosen by our community. Listen to our voice. Good evening.
2:44:25Good evening members of the City Council, Mayor. My name is Maricela Castro. I've been a resident of Santa Ana for over 20 years and I live in the lazy neighborhood. I'm here to ask you for to have housing control where we need rent stabilization and just cause evictions.
2:45:03our friends and our families are being evicted unjustly some are losing their housing because they've lost their jobs some because of the excessive rents that are charged and I myself my family is suffering because my my husband's 14 an hour job is not enough he has to work overtime to be alone from his away from his family to in order to provide for the rent because we need to pay the rent in order not to be evicted. We deserve dignified housing just as you have dignified housing. You were elected by the community and we need you to support this. Good evening.
2:45:26Thank you.
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2:46:16by Sergio Corona. Madam Clerk, can you check and see this microphone seems to be going on and off if you can check with the booth up front. Go ahead, adelante. Muy buenas noches, mi nombre es
2:46:17Yoana Rojas, soy residente de Santana por 13 años. El día de hoy estoy aquí como parte de mi comunidad en apoyo total a la ley de estabilización de renta y protección de causa justa contra el desalojo en Santana. today that I have the opportunity to be here I want to call each other that for a moment they should be thinking as politicians and for that moment they should be empathizing with us the community that gave us the opportunity to be public servants with which we deposit all the confidence for the good and progress of our community because I'm sure that there is no
2:46:30here who wants to do the contrary to Santana.
2:47:10It is also to mention what is what we have here today, because I know you have full knowledge about the problems that affect our community. So I will limit you to continue to go and to that you, in the place and the power that that we are willing to exercise, help us as a community and government system. We need to create the opportunities and conditions that we need to ensure our well-being as a community in all areas. Never forget that you are there today to create laws that work for the community.
2:47:14that you are there to act in benefit of the community. And I want to let you in clear that it is not for anything a favor that we make, but all the contrary. It is a job that few people have the privilege of doing, because it is your duty to be a change agent since you committed to serving our community.
2:47:57I want to also be a special to the council that represents my area, Nelida Mendoza, and to make the invitation again to that initiative. I invite you to be part of this change that has been and will be a struggle of justice social, where we are included in the majority of the community. gente trabajadora honesta responsable pero sobre todo merecedora de construir un mejor presente y futuro para nosotros mismos y nuevas generaciones concejal nélida
2:48:25hoy usted tiene el poder hoy cualquiera que sea su decisión hará una gran diferencia And my biggest desire is that that difference is from the consciousness, the ethics, the moral, the values that we define as human beings, and where in any way nothing can be corrupted. perro. Por último, me atreveré a hablar por mi comunidad, que somos una comunidad latina, que jugamos un rol central en Santana y que cada vez estamos despertando más a nivel local
2:49:04para luchar por lo justo, por salir de esa segregación que por años hemos sufrido. Me atrevo a decir que estamos buscando una alianza con ustedes donde somos conscientes de nuestra responsibility that you know
2:49:44good evening my name is joanna rojas i'm a santana resident over for 13 years and i'm here I am here to ask for your support for the rent stabilization and just cause evictions. You have the I have the opportunity to come here and appeal to you and ask you not to think as politicians, but to think as public servants. You have the opportunity to serve your community and I'm here because you need to support Sanana. I'm here because you need to support the community.
2:50:15You have the, as representatives, you have the power. You have the power now. You have the power to help us, to help the community, as the community, and to help us, as a government, and as people who make the laws. You have the opportunity to present wellness for the community in all areas of life.
2:50:55you don't need to fight. You need to create the laws for the community. You need to, you are here for the benefit of the community. And I want to make clear that we are not asking you for a favor, but just the opposite. Your job is to do this. This is your duty as agents of change as servants of the community and i'd like to talk to my representative and elida mendoza and i'm asking you to join in this initiative to this is a change for social
2:51:21justice and this is what the community needs this is for the hard-working people the hard-working working families and Council Member Anelida, now you are in power. Now you have the opportunity to make a change. And what I want the most is that the difference that you can make, make it with ethics, with your conscience, with morals, with human values, and to be incorruptible. And the Latinos are here. We are uniting as a community.
2:52:02we are awakening to fight for what is right and what is just and I think we are seeking an alliance with you to exercise the rights and our responsibilities here for the benefit of Santa Ana. Thank you.
2:52:37Mireya Gutierrez followed by Silvia Vendano followed by Sergio Corona.
2:52:54Ready?
2:53:02Go ahead.
2:53:04All right. Good evening. Today we all come from all walks of life and not to forget we are standing in indigenous land. Some of us are blessed to own property in Santana and in this case apartments, houses that rent to us your tenants and you should be thanking God for it. Thank God that you are not in our situation where rent keeps going up and you don't have to worry how you're going to pay for it. Thank God that you're not that you're able to live a comfortable life from all the hard earned money that you receive from us. Thank God that you are not in
2:53:05our shoes. We are here in this earth temporarily and we should all be helping each other out. The day you die, you won't be taking anything with you, not even your money. When you die and in your tombstone, there is a dash in between the date you were born and the date you die. It is how you live your dash on this earth that matters. And if you live your dash by not helping each other out in time of need and in this case in this case the rents that keep going up i pray to god that you and your family never be in our situation now from previous council
2:53:38meetings that we have before council members elbecer al penyalosa la mendoza should be a shame of yourself for not supporting the rent stabilization or to at least have a rent freeze until it gets resolved. As your employer and my public servants, you should resign from your positions because you are not for the people. Too bad El Becerra is not here to listen. Now, on another note regarding rent, not regarding rent, this is on my own. On another note, I have a comment with regarding COVID vaccine. It should not be mandatory because this is my body, my choice, and yet you are no one to mandate something
2:54:14that is even that even goes against my sincerely religious belief and it should be optional and our for our constitution our first amendment should not be violated thank you
2:54:54sylvia vendano followed by sergio corona followed by victoria salgado
2:55:09if the other speakers could get ready to go ahead and line up behind the present speaker
2:55:20that'll make things go smoother buenas noches buenas noches alcalde concejales voy a ser muy breve solo voy a poner tres puntos uno es el control de renta ya no vamos a decir más historias We have been hearing three years. We have been crying for children, we have been crying for their stories. We have been crying for those who have been abandoned, but we have learned that we can fight, that we can learn what they taught us. We have not been living in bad houses,
2:55:25bad, bad, and so we are asking for control of rent. Second, we are here for a lack of justice. I lived a lack of justice. But look, my story is that I have gained. And I have gained because I learned that we have rights. I learned that we don't bring the plague, but we are the owners who don't take care of the people's health, nor their homes, because they have total gains.
2:56:06And the third thing is that we are asking for the rent. Why? Why? Miren, soy consejera de inquilinos. Es otra cosa que aprendí aquí. Aprendí que nosotros tenemos que luchar por nuestros derechos. Y esto hace un cambio muy grande en el cerebro de las personas. Nos podemos defender, tenemos derechos, podemos desaprender y aprender otra vez.
2:56:46Y yo estoy muy feliz de haber venido tres años a decir lo mismo. Y por último voy a decirle a mi concejal Nélida Mendoza que, por favor, se toque el corazón, ¿verdad? Se toque el corazón, porque mandamos muchos correos electrónicos pidiendo el control de renta.
2:57:20Good evening. Good evening, Council Member. Excuse me.
2:58:03Wait one second.
2:58:06Good evening, members of the City Council, Mayor. I'll be brief. I just have three items. One is rent control. We're not going to tell you the stories. We've been here, coming here for three years. You know the stories. The kids have come and cried. The elderly have come and told you their stories. The people who have been evicted. I myself was evicted and I cried. And I learned that we have to unlearn things. We have to not stay, not accept bad housing, bad housing conditions. So we're asking for rent control. That's number one. Number two, we are here for just cause eviction. I myself experienced unjust eviction, but I won.
2:58:07I won because I learned that I have rights and I learned that we are not the ones that bring the bugs. The landlords need to deal with that. And number three, we ask for a rent freeze. As a housing counselor, I learned that we have to fight for our rights and we need to make a difference in people's brains and people's way of thinking, and we need to find out and learn our rights. It's been three years and that we've been coming here. My council member, I'd like to address my council member, Elida Mendoza. Please touch your heart. We've sent you lots of emails. We're asking for rent control, rent stabilization.
2:58:49This is important for us from the bottom of my heart. Thank you. Sergio Corona followed by Victoria Salgado followed by Andrea Andrea Chamu.
2:59:31Good evening Council members. I like to say thank you to all the staff, the police and the security officers and the translators for doing their job and helping us make this much easier.
2:59:45Also, I like to express my most sincere appreciation for the tireless efforts of the Council from the City of Santa Ana to make our city a safe place to live with dignity and for your all noble attempts in making Santa Ana safer place and better place to raise our families. Please be sure that the people of Santa Ana is watching you and your actions when it comes to the benefit of the residents of the city. First, I believe that our police department should be an elite task force of prepared individuals that are capable of de-escalating violent situations without the need of committing murder.
3:00:01Thank you for not participating on the murder of our council members, family member. Second, I like to express to you tonight that I respectfully request for this Council to fully support and adopt rent control and rent freeze in Santa Ana. Would you like to force families into homelessness and advocate to become the new skid road of Orange County. I will also suggest to the council to never complain about being here until late at night due to the fact that many residents of Santa Ana must work to full-time shifts to prevent being
3:00:39evicted from their apartments. As we are speaking there's people that are on their second shift and will not be going back home until to see their families until after midnight and they do it for for six days a week. It is alarming to witness the fact that even as some members of this council have heard so many difficult experiences from residents, their struggles to make a living and their difficulties to live with dignity, they still want to study the matter some more and refuse to stand on the side of the people that elected them to look out for their livelihood.
3:01:19You are elected to protect the people of Santa Ana whose side on you are you are on. Are you on the side of the people that elected you or are you on the side of private interests. Remember who voted for you. The reality is that developers and investment will never end because the need of housing has always been present in the city and will always be needed as long as the population keeps growing. The only thing that cannot prevail in this in Santa Ana is the position of profits over people. The people of Santa Ana did not elect you to choose profits over the residents of the city.
3:01:55Listen to the elderly listen to the children and their parents listen to the single mothers and the hard working men. They are pleading for your help and for you to do the job that they elected you to do. If you fail to listen to the people that put you in that chair with their boat, then you do not deserve to be on that chair. I know that we have an extremely smart and capable council, and I envision that Santa Ana can be a thriving city where safety, wealth, and dignity are a priority for the residents and their families.
3:02:33I know that this council is extremely capable of solving the difficult matters of homelessness, low income housing and public safety. I know that the city can become a model in the county and in the state of California. The people of Santa Ana is watching the way you vote and which side you are now. Sergio, see if you can wind up. We will remember the way that you voted. Thank you. Victoria Salgado followed by Andrea Chamu followed by Liz Hurtado. Si pueden estar esperando para la próxima para que podamos movernos un poco más deprisa.
3:03:07Buenas noches a todos. Antes que todo me gustaría decirles a los concejales que nos pusieran un poquito más de atención, que escucharan lo que estamos diciendo porque veo que están muy entretenidos en sus laptops. so for me it is very important to be listened to it. To start, I will say something. I am supporting these people, all of us, with the control of the rent since they started. When I started working, I always went to collect firmas. I fell many times, I passed many things, but I never stopped doing it. You are not in our shoes.
3:03:47Mr. Becerra, please, please, please, please, me escuchen me ponga un poquito de atención vean me quiero que me vean no quiero que vean sus laptop ok a mí el año pasado fue el 2020 fue la pandemia a mí no me dejaron de aumentar la red apenas hoy en la mañana me enteré que me acaban de aumentar la red pues a ellos no les importa si yo tengo trabajo si yo no tengo trabajo nosotros tenemos que pagar la red ustedes no están en nuestros zapatos por favor, pónganse un poco la mano en el corazón y en la conciencia yo no estoy en desacuerdo con cosas que ustedes hagan
3:04:27pero por favor que sea algo diferente a la señorita señorita Nélida me pone atención por favor porque usted solamente está viendo su computadora y la verdad es muy importante para mí ser escuchada, no nada más yo We all deserve it. Is it okay? Is it okay? I have a lot of confidence in you. Please take into account and do something for our community. If you don't want to see people, rateros, prostitutes, all those things, don't come to do business at Santa Ana.
3:05:09The developers don't come to do business at Santa Ana. We import homeless from Newport Beach for Irvine. We have them here. That's not what you're going to see. All that you did about glorietas and all those things, personally, they have affected me a lot. So I ask you, please. I ask you to take all of your conscience. Mr. Jonathan Ryan, please. please if we have a class and you
3:05:49have a very very very So, thank you very much for listening. I thank you very much. But all the pandemic, all that has not stopped me to raise the rent every year. So, please, make sure, please. And thank you very much for listening, especially to you, Mr. Mendoza. Thank you very much for listening.
3:06:34Good evening to all. And first of all, I'd like you to turn away from your laptops and pay attention to what I'm saying because it's important for me and for all of us to be heard. I'm here because I support rent control since this started. After work, I used to go and collect signatures. I fell and other things happened to me, but I never stopped. So it's important because you're not in our shoes. You need to listen, need to look at me, Mr. Becerra, please look at me and listen to what I'm saying. It's important.
3:07:06And 2020, during the pandemic, our rent continued to increase. And even this morning, I just got to notice that my rent is going to increase again. They don't care if we don't have a job. They don't care what happens to us. We need to pay the rent. and you need your net and you're not on our shoes. So please take take notice. Business leader, please listen to me. Turn away from your computer. It's important to for us to be heard, not only for me, but all of us. We deserve your attention. I trust that you can do something for our community. You say you don't want the thieves and the prostitutes.
3:07:44Well, don't come to do business in Santa. It's as simple as that. We are importing homeless. We saw what happened importing homeless from Newport Beach, from Irvine, and all the things you're doing with roundabouts. Those are affecting me. So please, Mr. Jonathan Ryan. I think I feel like I'm giving a class. I'm in front of the classroom. I need to throw an eraser at you. So please pay attention to the class that's happening. Thank you. Thank you for listening. Mr. Mayor, thank you for listening. Andrea Chamu, followed by Luz Hurtado, followed by Cesar Medina.
3:08:26Buenas noches.
3:09:09Buenas noches. Mi nombre es Elizabeth Martinez. Buenas noches, alcalde. Buenas noches, miembros del concilio. my name is Elizabeth Martínez I'm a leader community in the Minitausen coordinator of the Minister of Magma in the Morculado Corazón de María volunteer of various organizations no lucrative here in Santa Ana I'm here to support the point number 9 of the agenda control of renta as a leader community I've been able to see that no having a control of renta affects residents more in this time of pandemic COVID-19
3:09:12Los residentes de Santa Ana son demográficamente diferentes de los residentes de otras 33 ciudades del condado de Oro. Los residentes de Santa Ana son 80% latinos, más del 40% son inmigrantes nacidos en el extranjero. Muchos inmigrantes no tienen un estatus legal. Muchos de ellos ya padecen enfermedades como diabetes, obesidad, hipertensión. and now with COVID-19, many of our residents are suffering from depression, people who have been leaving children, people who have been still afraid of contagion,
3:09:45also people who still keep carrying their oxygen, children and adults who have been with depression, am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am am I am
3:10:22su apoyo a nuestros vecindarios y a otras también le doy gracias a otras personas de aquí de la ciudad que nos han estado apoyando en nuestros vecindarios y una y mi condolencia para jonathan por lo que pasó con su con su familia creo que estas cosas no deberían de pasar este dios nos da la vida y dios nos las quita gracias elizabeth uh estas aquí en vez de andrea chamo okay gracias for the record good evening my name is elizabeth martinez mayor city council and
3:10:59i'm here as a volunteer from the immaculate heart and a volunteer for other organizations i'm here to support item number nine rent control we don't we realize that when we don't have rent control this affects our residents especially during a pandemic Santa Ana is different than the other 33 cities in Orange County 80 are Latinos 40 are immigrants born in other countries and do not have legal legal status many suffer from medical conditions such as diabetes hypertension IN THIS. NOW WITH COVID IT MAKES IT WORSE. PEOPLE ARE DYING, PEOPLE ARE LEAVING RELATIVES BEHIND, PEOPLE ARE ON OXYGEN
3:11:41TANKS, THEY HAVE DEPRESSION AND ANSIGHTY AND NOW IN ADDITION THEY HAVE A FEAR OF BEING EVICTED. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DIGNIFY HOUSING. IT'S WE NEED I HAVE FAITH THAT YOU CAN MAKE A CHANGE IN SANTA ANA. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOU CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION. THANK YOU MAYOR FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND TO other people in the city who have been helping us in our neighborhoods and finally my condolences to you mr jonathan for uh the passing of your relative and uh it's a shame that this uh happened
3:12:22and god is the arbiter of what happens lusur tado followed by cesar medina followed by rosa pisano si pueden ponerse en fila para que hagamos esto un poco más pronto luz hurtado Cesar Medina, Rosa Pisano, Ángel Sánchez, por favor, si pueden formarse en fila.
3:12:56Buenas noches. Soy Cesar Medina. Buenas noches, compañero alcalde Vicente Sarmiento, compañeros concejales. I belong to the organization Zulio in Action and live in a park with 128 families. I come to represent them.
3:13:24And I have the opportunity to meet in any rinconsum. The Alcalde knows our park. And they ask me, because they are aware of the meeting of the Saturday, and of this also. and they said, my friend, how are we? How are we? I was the last week I was here, I said, we won four against three. And I thank the four consejales that voted for a favor. No censure the three that voted for. They are in their freedom, they are in their interests, they are fine. But I said, David Peñalosa, Nélida Mendoza and Phil Becerra, our consejero.
3:13:46And that people who are poor,
3:14:28they don't forget. And they don't forgive. They're not. They're not.
3:14:33It's very lamentable that in this moment the poor and the workers are suffering and putting them in the puertos for more than a year. And that same people in the way they have reduced the hours of work, the way they have been in unemployment. And that same people are the same who is being desalojated and will continue to be desalojated. And it's lamentable that the rich don't share the crisis in a pandemic that still doesn't end. In a pandemic that still is is
3:14:43getting heridos and muertos and families suffering and the hospital please, gentlemen, vote in the way in the way, no put the hand in the hand, put it in the heart and think about that class of workers, that is the one who is suffering, read their decision, act with conscience, at least one time in their lives, no no den las espaldas no no traiciones no no en el peso de judas por favor lo hemos elegido para que no defiendan a nosotros en estas circunstancias queremos el 3% en el 3% están también utilidades
3:15:24de los dueños de casa o también nos permite a nosotros una maniobrabilidad para no pensar We need to work only to pay the rent, please. We have families, we have to do that for our families, our families, our education and other things that the money is not enough. So, please, that 3% is a 3% of oxygen for us. Because remember, we are still in pandemic and the pandemic is not hurting the lives of many of us.
3:16:03We solicit very comedically that that 3% is the magic number that allows us to enter in the hysteria, not to be desalojated.
3:16:44I hope to bring a good message to my neighbors.
3:16:58Cesar, you can finish.
3:17:03good evening mayor uh near salmiento i'm cessa medina city council members and i'm a member of uh i belong to sullivan in action a member group i I, we're 188 families. I'm a representative of the park. And sometimes we have opportunity to meet with people. And sometimes we just run into people and they ask me what's happening about this meeting, what's happening about the Saturday meeting, the meeting today. And the last time I asked, when they asked me, I told them, they asked me what happened. I said, we won three, a four to three.
3:17:16And I don't begrudge the people that voted, the three that voted against, you need to vote your conscience. But I told them it was who voted against was Penalosa, Mendoza, and Phil Becerra. So, you know, the poor people listened, the poor people don't forget and they don't forgive. So you need to, it's sad that the people who are suffering for over a year, it's sad that these people who have less, have been working less hours, they've lost jobs, and the people who have been evicted and other people will continue to be evicted. It's sad that the rich people do not share in the crisis.
3:17:56It's the pandemic is not over. We continue suffering from the pandemic, suffering deaths and hospitalizations and other things. The people who voted against, I'm asking you not to touch your wallet. I'm asking you to touch your heart. You need to consider at least once in your life to vote for what's right. um don't stab us in our back don't uh don't be don't give us the kiss of judas we are one this
3:18:39three percent we uh want to pay what's uh just to pay the rent and we don't want to work just to pay the rent we want to be with our families to look after our families to uh to be with them and uh Sometimes our salary is not enough, so this 3% limit would be the oxygen tank that we would need. And again, the pandemic is not over, and this pandemic is not forgetting what's happening, so this 3% would be the magic number to avoid the eviction. I hope to bring good news to my neighbors.
3:19:15Rosa Pisano, followed by Angel Sanchez, followed by Olivia Arzate. Si pueden ponerse en fila atrás de Rosa, los que siguen. Good evening to all my representatives from the city of Santa Ana. I'm representing 30 parks, 30 multifamily parks and we are also several residents. I have been representing in different parts of all the United States to what are mobile homes.
3:19:55And now it hurts, it hurts, it hurts, that being here in the city of Santa Ana, I have seen certain people who don't have respect for us. others. Unos, como dijo la compañera, platicando, otros en sus laptops, otros en su teléfono, otros aquí comiendo y comiendo como que no tienen respeto. ¿Qué está pasando? Si ellos no nos dan respeto, también nosotros no lo vamos a respetar. Como que no hay una hora para comer y están tan delgaditas, no sé qué les pasa. others that no, no nos ponen atención
3:20:26ya supe que tres no votaron para nosotros pero no me importa porque los vamos a seguir viendo la cara entonces ellos ya están en nuestra lista para seguir votando por ellos ok como no quisiéramos que uno de ustedes llegara a ser alcalde también porque usted se vende porque se venden con los ricachones because we do not have the money but we can vote for you for our vote, you are here what is it?
3:21:06it is not just, we have voted for you I am a member of the community of Sullivan in Action and right now we are being evicts, we are throwing cards of desaloge. Why? Because we have a marcha. I have a value to make a marcha for a manager that has been molested for many years. So, I'm going to ask a lawyer to support us, because we are intimidating.
3:21:44need and do okay okay so many leaders in the community no is justo pero también tenemos el poder para poder pegar nuestros derechos gracias
3:22:21good evening to all to my sanana representatives i represent 30 multi-family senior parks including some senior parks all over the united states and it pains me to be here in santana and see that some of you are not respecting us some of you are talking some others are on your laptops or those are on your phones some of you are eating and that shows disrespect and if you don't respect us then we won't be respecting you what is it don't you have time to eat and you're so skinny like that So you're not paying attention to us.
3:22:40And I just, I found that the three of you voted, did not vote for us. And so we're going to continue seeing what's happening and what you do. And we're going to be voting accordingly. We want, some of you may want to be a mayor in the future, but you're selling out. We don't want that. We may not have the vote, the money, but we have the vote. and you are there in your seats because of our votes. Don't sell out. We voted for you.
3:23:21And we, some of us are from Sullivan and Acción Group. Some of us are being evicted because we decided to march against a manager that was bothering us for some time. And now people are intimidating us. So we're asking for a lawyer. We know we have the power to protect our rights. Thank you.
3:23:55are employees and staff members of the city. So there is a distinction. With that, Angel Sánchez, Olivia Arzate, Adriana Quinn and Rocío Rachel. Raquel, adelante. Good evening. Good evening to each other. Hace three years, we were here when... Su name, please. Marcela Rosas. When we did the first presentation, the requirement of the approval of the rent control estuvimos aquí solicitándoles exigiéndoles a usted usted era conseje consejal entonces señor este sarmiento y entonces nos dimos a la tarea toda la comunidad de trabajar duro porque desde
3:24:47entonces no hace tres años hace muchos años atrás estamos siendo abusados por los dueños de los departamentos vivimos en muy malas condiciones pero no sólo eso año con años se nos aumenta la renta. Es vergonzoso, para mí es muy vergonzoso venir ante ustedes una vez más y decirles y ver aquí la presencia de la señora Nélida, de mi concejal, porque representa la comunidad donde yo vivo, el señor Phil Becerra. Es vergonzoso venir y decirles que con toda la pandemia, yo trabajo desde las 5 de la mañana y me acuesto a las 12 de la noche para poder medio sobrevivir, porque andamos al día.
3:25:27We have no food, we have no food healthy and healthy as you all have to eat, no place you present in your flyers when you were in the votation, where you are in the gardens of your house, with all your family, with great places, no houses, residencies. You have no suffered or suffered what we are suffering from in departments, with mojo, with cucarachas, with ratones and with a excess cost of pay of rent. Like many families, I received a card where I am increasing almost the 20% of what I am paying
3:26:08for rent.
3:26:49When my salary, my salary, I reduced the income, I have no even had a 3% of the increase. Well, no has nothing of increase, al contrario está reducido pero es vergonzoso venir a pedir esto aquí cuando ustedes son profesionales señora nélida yo soy estudiante de colegio yo voté con usted y platiqué con mis compañeras con mis vecinos tenemos que apoyarnos como mujeres tenemos que poner arriba el nombre de una mujer usted es de la comunidad pero hemos platicado con usted afuera en la comunidad con las señoras en los vecindarios pero es triste venir aquí y darnos cuenta que cuando se trata
3:26:52of taking decisions to defend the community, we are going to go to the side. That is vergonzoso. Everyone and each one of you are professional people, who have here responsibility. When you were elected, we forget the parties, we forget the economic groups, they came to represent the community. And I have faithfully that you are doing it, and each one of you are doing it. Ver su cara de cansancio, ver su aburrimiento, su desesperación, señor Sarmiento, me da tristeza, pero más me da coraje saber que yo he sentido eso por años, más desde hace tres años.
3:27:31Yo vengo a exigirles un congelamiento de renta porque es inminente el aumento de renta, es una acción, es una reacción de los dueños de departamento en contra de la comunidad, en contra de la gente que uno y cada, que cada uno de ustedes representa. and I'm asking you to approve the rent control. That's a help, but with all the hands, directly to the community. That's to help the community. If you say no, they will help the rich, who are already rich. But this is for us. Thank you very much.
3:28:09Good evening to all of you. We were here three years ago when this started. And when we first came to approve a rent control, we are here again. And many things have happened. We have been working hard it's not three years we've been working for more than three years and we're living in housing in bad conditions and the rent keeps going up year after year it's a shame to come here and see this what what's happening um is um nirida my representative mr phil bacera
3:28:52the pandemic is affecting us i work from 5 a.m and i don't come home until 12 midnight just to make ends meet. We have less hours of work. Our work hours have been reduced. We have health issues. We don't feel that we have a safe place like you do when you show in your marketing campaign materials with your nice houses and some mansions. And you are not suffering like we are suffering with with mold, with rats, with roaches. So I just received a letter with almost a 20% rent increase
3:29:29and we are working less hours. I'm not getting a 3% salary increase. In fact, I'm getting my hours cut. So Ms. Nelida, I voted for you. As a woman, I told the people that we needed to support a woman. I'm also college educated. We needed to support our community, but it's sad when we come here to see that your decisions are not for the community. You need to do this and support the community. And we all have, we are, you're all professionals. You all should be responsible. You elected,
3:30:10we elected you for, to benefit the community. It's sad to see your board faces up there. So we not ask we demand a rent freeze. The rent increase is imminent. The landlords are going to increase the rent. So you need to approve rent control now. You need to help your community. And if you don't do that, you're just helping the rich get richer.
3:30:47Angel Sanchez.
3:31:18Followed by Olivia Arzate and Adriana Quinn.
3:31:23good evening my name is angel sánchez I am resident of Santa Ana for more than 20 years this evening I have come here to ask you to approve the rent control and just because during these previous years I had been a cumplitor in paying my rent mes a mes. Y ahora con esto de la pandemia
3:31:33me alcanzó y he tenido que aplicar por los fondos de la ciudad para pedir que me ayudaran a pagar mis rentas. Ahora estoy enfrentando un desalojo porque las protecciones se terminaron. Es muy importante que paren los aumentos de renta y los desalojos injustos.
3:32:18Les pido, por favor, que protejan a nuestra comunidad, porque aún estamos en pandemia. ¿Por qué? Porque seguimos sin trabajo, o horas recortadas en el trabajo. Estamos sobreviviendo una pandemia que todavía no se termina.
3:32:50Y más, ahora sin ninguna protección contra todos estos abusos sobre los inquilinos. Sí. Por esta razón estoy yo aquí. Es la primera vez que yo me presento aquí.
3:33:13Y solamente les digo, píganse al control de rentas y causa justa. because if you say so, I hope that within 15-20 days I will be able to do it. Yes.
3:33:31Well, I wanted to say many things, but I just want to ask that they can say to control the rents. Okay, thank you very much.
3:33:53Good evening Mayor and City Council members. I'm Angel Sanchez and I'm a Santa Ana resident for over 20 years and I'm here tonight to ask you to approve rent control and just cause eviction. In all these years I've been a faithful, responsible renter paying my rent month to month And because of the pandemic, this has caused me suffering and has caused me to apply to get city help, the money to get the rent money from the city.
3:34:11and now we are facing an eviction and the protections are going to end and it's important to stop the rent increases and unjust evictions so to protect the community the pandemic is still here i've been working less hours my hours have been reduced and the pandemic is not over and NOW, WITHOUT THE PROTECTIONS AGAINST RENTER ABUSE, IT'S MY FIRST TIME HERE AND I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE FOR RENT CONTROL AND JUST CAUSE EVICTIONS AND IF NOT, IN ABOUT 15 OR 20 DAYS,
3:34:51I WILL BE EVICTED. SO I'M JUST, I HAVE MANY THINGS TO SAY, BUT I'M JUST HERE TO ASK YOU TO VOTE YES ON RENT CONTROL.
3:35:33Next speaker, el siguiente comentario es Olivia Arzate, favor de pasar, Olivia Arzate, followed by Adriana Coyne, Adriana Coyne, Rocio Raquel, Rocio Rachel,
3:35:48Good evening, my name is Rocio Rochelle, I am resident of Santa Ana for eight years living in the Code Postal 92703. This evening I am here to ask that I approve the Ley of Control, Rent and Ordenance Just. Como ustedes saben, ya no tenemos protección en este momento y seguimos siendo acosados, acosados por los administradores y propietarios sin que ellos tengan conciencia de sus conductas violentas.
3:36:20Así nosotros los inquilinos ya no tenemos protección.
3:36:59Yo he sido una persona que he cumplido con mi renta hasta antes de que la pandemia llegara, poniéndonos a mí y a mi familia en un estrés donde nos nuestra salud mental también se ha visto afectada. La pandemia no se ha terminado.
3:37:08El proceso para llegar el dinero para que nos den la ayuda necesaria es muy lenta.
3:37:37Pedimos que nos ayuden y nos protejan en este momento y nos urge que aprueben esta ley de control de renta y de ordenanza justa. Ayúdenos a mantenernos en nuestras casas de una forma digna. Buenas noches.
3:37:49Alejandra Luciano, Anabel Parra, María Cristina Moreno, Alejandra Luciano, Anabel Parra, Maria Cristina Moreno, if you can move to the floor.
3:38:13Good evening. I'm a Santa Ana resident for eight years in zip code 9273. I'm here to ask you to vote for rent control and just cause ordinance. We don't have any protections and we're being harassed by managers and landlords. And they are unaware of the violent conditions that they put us in. We don't have any renter protections anymore. And I'm here to ask you for your help. We are still here suffering through the pandemic. Me and my family, because of this, are under stress.
3:38:31We have mental health issues. And the pandemic is not over. And the money that helps with the rent is too slow. to get the money. So we're asking for your help and your protections and we're asking you to approve the rent control and just cause evictions so we can stay in a dignified housing. Thank you
3:39:12and good evening. Alejandra Luciano.
3:39:35Hi, my name is Joshua Gonzalez and I'm here to support an order against rent control. As I have said before, it is wrong to raise the rent because the people behind me have had problems with their jobs and with their family. I heard that my mom's friend's husband tried to commit suicide because of so much stress with COVID and work. He hasn't been able to pay for the rent and him and his wife lost their jobs. They had two kids and tried to feed them as much as they can. And they had two at school and kids bullied them for being poor.
3:39:50and for them there are there are a lot more families so families like these cases and you're not supporting us and what really and what we really need and this for consuls mendoza
3:40:31and becerra that don't want to help us thank you
3:40:47Y vengo aquí en representación. Bueno, más que nada pues ya todo lo dijeron. Estoy un poco nerviosa. Más que nada por usted, mi concejal Peñalosa Mendoza. Más que nada, tientense el corazón. No lo tengan frio porque todos estamos aquí. Ya les pedimos demasiado. Ya venimos a pedir todo el tiempo. Ya nos, ya nos, hasta nos conocen a todos. please, if you have a heart, not the head, not the feet. Just don't have the heart frio, because we all have families. And exactly, the rent control is going up.
3:41:01And you can't do a normal order. You can't, just don't want. They are in favor of the dueños. Do you want more money than the dueños? Is what they want. Ok, they will. you are going to have them in favor of you, you are going to have them in favor of you, you are going to stay. If you want to support them, you are going to be able to support them. Don't you put your heart cold, put it in your heart, it is a heart, no cold. We are going to have you hearts. Thank you.
3:41:42Good evening. Everything has been said. I'm nervous. So Mr. Peñalosa, Ms. Melida Mendoza, please touch your heart. Don't let it get cold. We've been here asking you. You know us now all this time. And so please touch your heart, not your head, not your feet. but don't let your heart get cold. Rent keeps increasing. You can vote for the ordinance but you don't want to approve the ordinance and if you are in favor of the landlords then go ahead but then later when you want our support you won't have our support. So touch your heart and good evening.
3:42:25anabel barra maria christina moreno
3:43:09tim rush
3:43:16es maria christina si por favor pasa muy buenas noches a todos ustedes mi nombre es maria Cristina Moreno, soy residente de Santa Ana. Por favor, les pido por favor, aprueben el control.
3:43:20Señora María, si puede acercarse un poquito más al micrófono, por favor. Gracias.
3:43:38Muy buenas noches a ustedes. Mi nombre es María Cristina Moreno, soy residente de Santa Ana. Les control the rent and causes just to protect our Santa Ana, where more than half are we
3:43:45Thank you. My name is Maria Cristina Moreno. I'm a Santa Ana resident and I'm asking you to please approve the rent control and just cause evictions. Please protect our Santa Ana community where over half of the community are renters. Thank you.
3:44:20Annabelle Parra.
3:44:36All by Tim Rush.
3:44:41Go ahead, Tim.
3:44:48Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Mayor and members of the council, as no probably great surprise to you, I'm here to ask you to vote against the rent control measure. You as well. Well, there's one or two of you in this room that may recall 30 years ago, this chamber was filled to the brim. I was sitting up there along with the council member who I was an appointment of to the Redevelopment Commission. The area out in the foyer outside was filled. There must have been 600 people here.
3:44:59Why were they here? They were here because the city had proposed making the entire city a redevelopment area, saying it was blighted. The reason for doing that was to try to capture redevelopment dollars as an economic tool to improve the city.
3:45:41But the notion that the city would be specifically cited as being blighted was so upsetting to so many of the residents, many of them people who were in this audience, I'll bet, that they turned out and demanded that the city not approve that because they didn't want their city of Santa Ana to be known as blighted.
3:46:03Well, if you vote for this measure tonight, you have absolutely reenacted that because you will have put a lead collar around Santa Ana as being a blighted city economically and otherwise. There are many economists who agree that outside of carpet bombing, there's no better way to destroy a city than rent control. and obviously there's a lot of folks here that are hurting and I'm sorry for that but you know what it's not the job of the city of Santa Ana to provide all of the low-income housing
3:46:33for the rest of the county there's 34 cities in this county and the vast majority of them are not pulling their weight and you know it we exceed our RHNA numbers every year by a wide margin And yet we are continually asked to do more. Well, where the hell is the rest of the county? Where's Villa Park? Where's Irvine? Where's Huntington Beach? Where's Newport? And I could go on. A lot of these cities, they do nothing in terms of low-income housing and want to push it all on Santa Ana. Well, that's baloney. Santa Ana should not be known as a blighted city. And that
3:47:14That is exactly what we're going to be known as when you pass this measure of rent control and just cause eviction. It's wrong for this city. You might as well hang out the closed for business sign because that's what's going to happen. You know, the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution says the government cannot take away a property right without just compensation. Well, when you pass this tonight, which I hope you don't, but when you do it, I hope you're ready to start writing a lot of checks to every property owner because you've taken money out of our property value when you vote for rent control.
3:47:55So do not vote for rent control. Turn it down. Hey, if you guys can please be respectful. It's not going to serve.
3:48:38It's not going to solve. Everybody in the chamber, please be respectful. You can wait for me.
3:48:45It's not going to solve the housing crisis. Thank you.
3:48:52Please wrap up in the lights.
3:48:56Next speaker, Diana boss. Diana boss. Diana boss. Powered by who Belia.
3:49:05Alfonso Gonzales and Esperanza Corona, if you could please line up.
3:49:17good evening everyone my name is judele charco angel and i have lived here in the city of santana for more than 25 years and i believe in knowing perfectly how our city has been deteriorating and they have been rezagging and they have been leaving and forgetting
3:49:25all the basic services that our community needs. I want to start with a phrase that the Reverend mentioned, where he said that we are compassionate with others. and this I want to tell you to the owners of the property.
3:49:52It is true that the Lord who has been before me said that they have done a lot, but I can say that it is not enough, because if it was enough, there would be no There was so many people in the street. If it was enough, there would be no families living in cars. And I think that it is important to you as authorities to put order. because I believe that they have no limit to their voracity. The owners have no limit. And that's why we come with you.
3:50:17As authorities, you have the duty of putting control to their voracity. They are leaving the street, they are running from here, they are wanting to get away from our places we want with our families. And I think that's not correct. But in this moment in the pandemic, we should be people with that kindness and love that understand the situation we are living. And it seems that we should be putting on it.
3:50:57I think it is important that they recognize that we need and that they have a commitment to create a balance between the government and the community. a balance that they should not break because what causes families to be separated, families to be divided, or even if we even ask that we give a apartment for each member of our family.
3:51:32the only thing I ask is not to share the apartment with other families and not to live a lot of families. That is what we ask. It's good that many of you have large houses, as you have said, it's very good, they have earned their own work, but they also have to be reasonable and more human. I think that when you are sleeping in your large houses and sometimes even the dog with a camera, they think that we also have a right to a living a dignified house. In that, put on our shoes, that we are also human beings and we also contribute a lot in Santana, in the economy. We are not people who do not work.
3:52:09We need work and that there is another problem. I ask our council members that we come to where we live, that we go to our streets, that we go to our apartments, not only when we want our vote. We are going to allow you to see how we live, that laws are in order of the owners, that laws are just respalded to the owners, that there are apartments, that there are condominiums, that there are differences. We as inquilinos don't care about these differences. There must be a control for both, for both condominiums and apartments,
3:52:49because the laws are only favoured them and we are leaving the law on the embossed. We are only leaving the law on the embossed, and we have to pay the consequences.
3:53:27And finally, I just want to say that in this pandemic has occurred several things. We have not only had a deficient education, we have the problem with the living that our children don't live or don't sleep in the same way.
3:53:47Thank you. You have a lot of work.
3:54:06Thank you.
3:54:09Thank you. Catalina Investra, Veronica Garcia, Silvia Hernandez.
3:54:10Catalina Investra, Veronica Garcia, Silvia Hernandez, if you can form yourself please.
3:54:19We'll do, just queuing these people up. Thank you.
3:54:26Good evening all. I'm Julelia Charo Angel. I've been a resident of Santa Ana for over 25 years. and we know perfectly this community. We know what's happening. We know that the city is going down. We know that you're forgetting to provide some basic services that the community needs. And as I'd like to start with what the Reverend said in the beginning of the meeting to be compassionate. And this is for all, and especially to the landlords to be compassionate. It's true that like the gentleman before me said, that you have done a lot, but it's not enough.
3:54:29If it were enough, otherwise, there would not be so many people suffering, so many people on the streets, so many families living in cars. And we, the government does need to do something. It's our duty to do something. And we need to limit, BECAUSE IF YOU LET THE LANDLORS ON, THEY LIMIT, THEY WILL NOT LIMIT THEIR GREED. SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. YOUR DUTY AS THE GOVERNMENT IS TO CONTROL THEIR GREED.
3:55:09AND THE STREETS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS. AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING. And it's important that the government has a balance, a balance between what the government does and the community needs. So this pandemic has caused families to be separated, families to be divided. And we're not asking for a room for each one of our family members. We're just asking for a place to live so that we don't have to share with other families,
3:55:48just to have our own place and just like you have a nice place like the somebody said earlier your big houses and that's okay that you have your big houses you've earned it but sometimes you have your dog has their own room and we deserve dignified housing and we want red control rent control and we contribute as human beings we deserve it we can we contribute to the san anna economy and we are asking you the council members to walk in our streets to see our apartments
3:56:28not only when you want our votes but to see how we live and as you see right now the laws are favoring the landlords they want to make a distinction between apartments and condos but to us renters there's no difference we don't care about those differences the laws favor the landlords and we are the ones paying the consequences. So finally, we need to have this rent rent control.
3:57:05Okay, what is your name?
3:57:34Catalina Iniesta.
3:57:36Good evening, members of the council. Mr. Alcald, my name is Catalina Iniesta. I am resident of Santa Ana. I live in the Zona Postal 92705. Lo que les quiero agradecer a los miembros del concilio que de verdad han escuchado a la comunidad de Santana sus necesidades. Quiero pedir como madre de familia que por favor aprueben el control de renta causa justa. Nuestra comunidad trabaja mucho y por esa razón nuestros hijos no tienen tiempo para compartir.
3:57:39Muchos de ellos is because we have to pay the rent by so many struggles the pandemic has not let us work we need permanent protections to avoid increasing and abuse of the owners that no one will respond and keep us of our families once more they will be the control of rent and cause just thank you thank you thank you
3:58:16Gracias. Veronica Garcia. Oh, well, we were for the translation. Veronica Garcia, Silvia Hernandez, and Diana Paz. If you could please queue up.
3:58:50Good evening, City Council members, Mayor. My name is Catalina Iniestra. I'm a Santa Ana resident of 927.05. And thank you to the City Council for listening to the needs of the City of Santa Ana. I'm here to ask that you approve rent control and just cause evictions. The community works a lot. Our kids are suffering because they don't get to share a lot of time with us because we have to pay rent. We are working because of the pandemic, there's not enough work. We need protections against rent increases, against the abuses of the landlords, and we are asking you to approve rent control and just cause evictions.
3:59:01verónica
3:59:47buenas noches distinguido señor alcalde y miembros del consejo soy residente de la ciudad de santana vivo del código postal 92705 y estoy aquí para darles las gracias primeramente por escuchar la voz del pueblo por escuchar a nuestra comunidad y bueno dado that they have finished all kinds of protections, we are in the interperie and the mercy of the wages and increases in the rent. This, as well as, aunado to the abuse of the
3:59:50owners, we ask today that please approve the control of rent and cause just. It is important It is important that our families are protected and the stress of our children are disminuyendo. It is not just that we are living with fear of an increase of rent, uncertainty, loss of work and instability that we all affect at this moment. We ask that we do the correct way for our community.
4:00:27good evening distinguished mayor city council members i'm a resident of sanana 9705 And I want to thank you for listening to the people, for listening to the community. And the protections moratoriums have ended. We have no more protections. Now we're at the mercy of the landlords. We're at the mercy of imminent rent increases and evictions. We're asking you to pass rent control and just cause evictions. It's important to protect the families so that our kids are not stressed out by the prospect of having or being evicted.
4:01:17It's not fair to live with the sphere of increased rents. We're asking you to do what's right and to say vote yes on rent control and just cause eviction.
4:01:56Silvia Hernandez. Después Diana Paz.
4:02:12And Del Hovec.
4:02:17Esperanza Corona.
4:02:24Pase.
4:02:29Buenas noches a todos. Gracias por estar presentes en la segunda junta. Miren, creo que voy a ser directa y al grano. Ya he contado muchas historias, como han dicho muchos de mis compañeros y líderes de nuestra comunidad. Yo platico un poco de mi experiencia como madre soltera, ¿verdad? and many in this moment are going through situations of burdening, that they don't have to pay their rent and the 90% are in domestic violence because they don't have to pay their rent and separation of families maybe you don't understand, right? because they live in good places, they have good money and they don't have to work at the night
4:02:33many of them wanted to come to this junta, they were working cleaning offices and they couldn't assist, right? but they were aware of that families the workers voted for you. They supported you.
4:03:10And take into account that the people the people put and the people quit. Right, Neida? Right, Mr. Peñalosa, Mr. Bill Serra? We support you. And in the community, when you ask them to ask them to be volunteers for that we are present in their campaigns. We are present, right? And no, no, no, no, no. To come to the heart. To think about millions of families. That need a control of rent. Hace many, six years. I was supporting a many people. For that they were reluctant. I was seven days a week. Collecting firm and supporting their campaigns.
4:03:26And I was sick. And nobody was worried about who was sick and how I had to pay my rent. However, as I was, there were thousands of families who were with convicciones, who were about to live in the street. As a volunteer of my community, I took to see that two people of 80 and 83 years old, in plena pandemic, they didn't protect them. Why? Because their words are not valid. is a leader, a leader is not the one who has power, but the one who is able to help
4:04:08their community, the one who is able to help their community and they are not doing it. Congratulations on you. I think you speak Spanish and you understand that as Spanish we have three jobs to take our children forward. I think you can understand you, to you, Ms. Neida? We are women and we have to support. Many families of families are there. Thank you, you have a good job, but you have a good job. But think about the families of families that are there, for their rent. They have a letter that they have to take care of. Who will they support? We are not going to ask.
4:04:46We want the rent control. And I have a question for you three. señor pil becerra señor peñalosa señora neida el momento que ustedes decían tomales así en su puesto que prometieron ayudar a su comunidad o ayudar a su bolsillo
4:05:27pregúntense dónde están parados ustedes nosotros lo hemos respetado pero creo que ustedes a nosotros como comunidad se han burlado de lo que decimos de las historias de todas estas personas que estamos en nuestra comunidad y que no velan por nuestros intereses, velan por los suyos. No les importa lo que pase en nuestras comunidades. Y les recuerdo, nosotros votamos por ustedes y nosotros votaremos si ustedes no toman una buena decisión, porque ya les suplicamos mucho tiempo. Gracias. Gracias. Thank you.
4:05:47Silvia Hernandez, Diana Paz, and Alfonso Gonzales.
4:06:28Good evening to all. Thank you for being here for this second time around. I'll get to the point. We've heard many stories about all the people. I like to speak as a single mom, and there are many single moms out there who are suffering because they don't have rent control. Over 90% of the people are experiencing domestic violence and they can't go anywhere because of rent. They're expensive. And you don't understand our situation because you have good jobs.
4:06:34Many people who wanted to come here cannot because they're working. They're cleaning offices at night. They're working two jobs. and the families are working and they cannot be here. And the people are the one who put you there and the people, we the people can remove you. Let me ask you a question, Ms. Anelida, Mr. Peñalosa, Mr. Becerra, I'm asking you whose side are you on? And many years ago, I walked to the city of Sanelida,
4:07:09I supported your elections, I supported your campaigns, but then when I got sick, no one called, no one was worried about how I was doing or if I was able to pay rent. And as a volunteer, I saw myself how two elderly people, 80 and 83 years old, were evicted because they could not pay rent even during the pandemic. And that's because your word is no good. So
4:07:47You as a leader watches for the community, a leader supports the community, and you're not doing that. So some of us have to work three jobs to support our families. As women, you speak Spanish, so you understand me. As women, we need to support each other, but you're not doing that. You're not supporting the people who are looking after the people. We are not asking now. We are demanding. We want rent control now. and I'd like to ask a question to Mr. Becerra, Mr. Peñalosa, and Ms. Nelida. You promised during your campaigns that you would support the community, that you would support the people.
4:08:17So where do you stand now? And you have laughed when we come to tell you our stories, that people come tell you the stories. And we need to have rent control now. you need to vote. And as I said before, we voted for you. And if you don't vote accordingly, you need to make a good decision. Diana Paz, followed by Alfonso González, followed by Gaby Mendoza.
4:08:58Buenas noches. Perdón, pero estaba primero que ellos. Creo que me saltó, pero está bien. Soy Silvia Hernández, del vecindario Eastside. and as part of that 59% of inquilinos that rent here in Santana I'm here again again to demand to my representative David Peña Loza that unfortunately no me has to hear me I hope he returned soon Nélida, Mendoza, Phil, Baserra and all of you to ensure that with your vote that finally the rent in Santana finally stabilizes.
4:09:30We can't continue to stay in this situation year by year, asking the same thing, because many families with the minimum salary, we do, for example, $2,240, working 8 hours, we do $2,240 a month, and the rent is in 2,150, in 2,200, then it is not enough to pay the rest. So if cities like Santa Monica, which have their residents, their residents have a much greater power,
4:10:12they can have a much greater control of the rent. Why Santa Ana? I have not heard that it is a city that is not a prosperous city. or I have not heard that they are not going to do business there in those cities. I tell the people that they are going to do business here. That is not happening there. And even with the rent stabilization with a maximum of 3%, you still, the proprietors, would receive their devolition. That is for sure.
4:10:52We have been discussing that a lot and we call it just cause. We don't ask more than just cause. So, we hope to hear your vote today. Because if Santa Monica could do it, why Santa Ana no? Good night.
4:11:29good evening and um sylvia hernandez from the east side neighborhood uh over as it's been mentioned over 59 percent of uh i'm here supporting uh 59 of renters uh in in santa ana and i'm here again to ask my representative who's not here david peña los i hope you can hear it later nivida Mendoza, Phil Becerra to vote for rent stabilization in Santa Ana. We cannot go go on like this year after year for the same issue. We earn minimum wage and earn on eight hours a day 22,240
4:11:59and rents are from 2150 to 2200. And we need to make do with with the rest for for the month. And if Santa Monica could do it and act right now, and they have a much greater economic power than Santa Ana, why can Santa Ana not do it? I haven't heard that Santa Monica is not a successful city or Santa Ana is not doing great, is not great for business. So if you pass rent stabilization and a 3% maximum, the landlords, you will still make your money.
4:12:41We run the numbers, you will still make your money. It's just cost, that's why it's called that. It's nothing more than that, just cost. So we are here, we'd like to hear your vote. And if Santa Monica can do it, why Santa Ana could not? Alfonso Gonzalez followed by Gaby Mendoza, followed by Isabel Lopez.
4:13:21Followed by Maria Garcia, followed by Dwayne Schiff, followed by Dale Helwig.
4:13:50Dale, I see you. Is there any, Maria Garcia or Dwayne Schiff?
4:14:01Followed by Candace Holcomb, followed by Nathaniel Greensides.
4:14:10Good evening, Mayor, Council members that are still here, city staff.
4:14:20Whether you buy or rent, or I should say whether you rent an apartment that was built before 1995 or after 1995, I think it's bad practice to raise rents more than once a year. I think that needs to be changed. But I don't think this ordinance is the right answer for everything. I'm not even sure that a fiscal impact has been done to determine what the cost to the city will be in implementing this program.
4:14:26I believe at the last meeting that we had, no one was ready to hit the ground running to implement rent control on day one if it was an urgent ordinance that was passed. In fact, they said it'd be about 12 months through a consultant to get this thing up and running. And it could be millions of dollars that the city has to pay in order to implement the program. Now, rent control is not the answer for everybody. Santa Monica has a lot of people controlling that. I think we could use that money to provide assistance
4:14:58to people that need the assistance.
4:15:38If we have to spend that much money to control this process, it's going to take a hit on the budget. And that money can be used elsewhere.
4:15:44The city was given a lot of relief money to make sure that renters were made whole through the pandemic. We still have millions of dollars to disperse. You know, it's baffling to me that landlords have been able to evict people during the pandemic. we could use the money that we are going to have to spend to control rent control, put them into code enforcement, and make sure that the landlords are behaving the way they should be.
4:16:02But to implement rent control as a catch-all, control everything, there are bad actors out there i'm sure but you don't implement a program to deal with the bad actors you get code enforcement out there to deal with the bad actors and take care of it like that so the other thing is
4:16:36the idea that eight amendments to the ordinance were introduced last meeting at 1.30 or 12.30 in the morning, eight amendments to the ordinance. How many people were actually listening to that? You know, I had to leave here at 10.30 last meeting because it was so cold here because most people left. I stayed at home and watched it until two in the morning when you guys finally approved the first reading. That was with the amendments to the ordinance.
4:17:06And so I don't think it's good practice to keep on going on this route, and we're going to do it again tonight probably. You'll vote on it after everybody's gone home. People have got to go to work tomorrow. They can't stay up until 2 o'clock to figure out what you're going to do. So I know Mr. Becerra has that as a discussion item for later on tonight, and I hope we get to the practice. look you can wrap up yeah i hope we get to the practice of ending these meetings a little bit sooner thank you candace holcomb followed by nathaniel greensides followed by yoselinda mendoza followed by tracy law
4:17:41good evening mary and city council my name is candace holcomb i am a housing provider for two communities here in santa ana uh one they're both small one's 130 spaces and the other one's 48. the homes are owned by the individuals and they rent the land these are mobile home parks the owners of these communities have owned them since one since 1970 and the other since 1980.
4:18:24I've sat and I've listened.
4:18:54Last time you spoke about this, the first time we were really hearing about this as a provider. I was sick that night and I stayed home. I stayed home and watched until one o'clock in the morning. I was on the line and unfortunately I did get disconnected. So I wasn't able to speak, but I am better and I'm here tonight to do so. So there's some things that I'm listening to. One, we have been in a state of emergency. Rents in a state of emergency in the state cannot increase more than 10%. We started in that state of emergency in 2020, and we're continuing.
4:18:58So if you look at 10%, that's a little bit over 3%, 3%, 3%. percent the eviction moratorium the courts have been closed we have not been able to get anybody in to evict anybody for non-payment and we haven't even tried and i'll tell you why we have applied for the rental assistance program our our folks have been approved um that didn't get funded until september so we went without rents from july or actually March of 2020 all the way until September of 2021.
4:19:36I do thank you for that, for pushing that through. We've been able to hold on, but our rents are sometimes increased because our insurance rates are also increased. These fires that we've had in California have tripled our insurance rates.
4:20:18there have been a lot of protections um what i'm mainly seeing is 80 of cpi not cpi so if you look at a three percent cpi and you're only getting 80 how am i going to sustain that as a as a provider i don't see it and i'm really disappointed in the fact that none of this from this council has been brought forward to property owners that's been the hardest the hardest part we've been a partner with you guys for a long time since 1970 and 1980 and not even reaching out to us to see
4:20:39if there's a memorandum of understanding that can happen or what the issues completely are thank you thank you Nathaniel Greensides followed by Yoselinda Mendoza followed by Tracy Law
4:21:19Hello City Council, my name is Nathaniel Greensides. I want to start with a statement. Brandon Lopez would be alive today had our system been created with people like him in mind. Instead, the system criminalized him and continues to criminalize people like him from a young age, while his murderers still carry guns in our neighborhoods and communities. Our system criminalizes, not adhering to a system created by some white male landowners who created this system in 1776 and also owned slaves. Yet one aspect of this inherently biased system remains ideal to me at least, the ability
4:21:39to create systems of governance which actually serve its people because of the will of its people. That is the actual American dream and these rent control ordinances are exactly that. rent increase caps and just cause protections will ease the burden of existing in a system that wasn't designed for people like us, people like Brandon. This past weekend tenants shared with us what will be possible for their families now with tenant protections like these.
4:22:16One person shared they'll be able to afford their medications. Another said the decreased stress of unlimited increases will allow her to be able to focus on helping her kids study. Another person said they'll be able to save money towards a down payment on a home not for themselves but for their parents with whom they currently live. So without rent control, we had over 16,000 building and health code violations that was brought forth to the meeting earlier. Yet landlords claim claim they can't upgrade or maintain properties with the currently unlimited rent increases.
4:22:42These ordinances will continue to allow good landlords to be good landlords yet it's a bad landlord for the most vocal here. Some opponents claim that these laws will somehow hurt tenants and if that was true, Why didn't they tell their tenants about these new laws that supposedly hurt tenants? Why haven't any other tenants voice opposition against these proposed ordinances? So it's not leave it up to interpretation or speculation. If tenants knew about these protections, those tenants would be here in support.
4:23:09Some opposition, I made their identities known tonight, and I really hope they don't raise rents above the 3% that's being proposed or serve arbitrary eviction notices before these ordinances would become effective. The sad reality in California because of a state law known as Costa Hawkins is that rent increase caps cannot extend to single family homes, condos, or buildings constructed after 1995. Just cause and rent cap increases protections won't apply to properties actually owned by mom and pop landlords because of Costa Hawkins and the recently passed AB 1482. Not LLCs or landlords. Those units will be subject.
4:23:32Mom and pop landlords need not worry since they'll remain unaffected. The LLCs and corporations who think that 3% yearly increases on top of the equity gains this year's loan was 15% are still somehow not enough for these LLCs and corporations. The studies against rent control by supposed nonpartisan academics receive large donations from being capitalist corporations after all. Also many of those studies against rent control utilize outdated definitions of rent control which are inapplicable to the ordinance is being considered here tonight.
4:24:07Modern rent control exists in 18 cities here in California, we can enact it here too, especially because our residents need it and three percent increases annually hardly constitutes a taking look it up it's case law people like tim rush leave santa anna because of this i only wish that we had enacted these ordinances sooner i pray that the opposition will never experience what they inflict on tenants like us that some cops won't kill their family on the street in front of their family's own eyes especially during a mental health crisis i didn't know you personally
4:24:34Brandon. You deserve to be able to raise your family here in Santa Ana to be able to continue to live and thrive. That's in power my friend. Yoselinda Mendoza followed by Tracy Law followed by Alondra Salazar. Good evening to you all my name is Yoselinda and I'm a volunteer Tenants Rights Counselor for Tenants United Santana and I'm hoping you all vote in favor of agenda item of number nine, enacting rent stabilization and eviction protections in the city of Santana. COVID-19 emergency housing protections have expired, leaving many families at risk of experiencing predatory rent hikes and
4:25:07unjust evictions in the middle of one of our most deadliest pandemic. This alone highlights the urgency for immediate, permanent and real protections for residents in the city of Santana. I also urge you all to enact a rent increased freeze to prevent landlords from unjustly increasing the rent during the 30-day period before the ordinance comes into an effect. Preventing displacement and keeping people house should be a priority to preserve the very culture of the city of Santa Ana and to foster stable, healthy, and thriving communities. Enacting rent control is possible. As previously mentioned,
4:25:4918 jurisdictions in California have rent control and it has demonstrated that it does in fact work. A study on the impact of rent control in San Francisco found that it increased the probability that residents will remain in their home by nearly 20%. This proposed ordinance in Santa Ana has the ability to do just that. And I also want to extend all the comfort and love to all the loved ones of Brandon Lopez. Police are simply unequipped to handle a mental health crisis. When we invest millions of our city budget on police, we disinvest at the very thing we aim to do, creating public safety. Investing equitable housing helps create
4:26:29public safety. Thank you all for your time. Tracy Law, followed by Alondra Salazar, followed by Valerie Esqueda, followed by Mesley Lopez.
4:27:06Good evening, City Council. My name is Tracy Law. I'm a resident of Ward 1, and I'm the child of Vietnamese refugees. I have been a renter my entire life. I'm here representing my organization VietRise to speak on agenda item nine, and to urge you all to vote yes on in support of rent stabilization and just cause eviction protections. I also wanna say thank you to the city clerk and members of the council for allowing the senior residents to speak this morning, or sorry, speak earlier today. It is really difficult for senior, disabled, elderly Vietnamese residents to come speak to places like this.
4:27:23Three years ago, these residents actually showed up here to see council, they rented their own bus. They stayed until 1am and had to wait until the time to speak. And I learned that half of them actually had to go to urgent care and had to go to the hospital because they missed their medications. And last time when they spoke, you know, they couldn't really even be heard. So thank you so much for allowing that to happen. And thank you for hearing that there are Vietnamese residents in the city that are facing this certain solidarity with the renters and everyone else
4:27:59was facing this issue too. So as you can see, for the last several weeks, we have been organizing with these seniors from our community who have all been facing exploitative rent gouting. It has been a blessing to organize with them and learn their stories for them to hear ours. We have joined together as members from multiple generations to fight to protect our elders, our seniors, and every generation of renters that come after that is affected and would benefit from this rent control ordinance. And so just so you can hear them one last time. I'm going to read a petition that was signed by 71
4:28:26residents in the Valley High Senior Mobile Home Park. We the undersigned all current residents of Valley High Mobile Home Park for low income seniors in Santa Ana, hereby express our deepest gratitude and most sincere appreciation for the city's bold emergency rescue measure in the form of its first rent stabilization and tenant eviction protection ordinance, especially for vulnerable constituents like us One, securing access to affordable housing. Two, struggling to make ends meet month in and month out. Three, crying out everywhere for help. Four, barely managing to survive on the brink of overlapping.
4:28:57Looming calamities have posed critical, even life-threatening challenges for senior residents of Santa Ana living on fixed income and limited financial resources for years. Many of our neighbors have succumbed to early deaths, or have become severely ill from the unbearable toll of worrying about all sorts of housing insecurity and associated dangers. We are simply living precariously on the brink of physical, mental, and emotional breaking points that any single triggering event could render us totally incapacitated, isolated, and effectively
4:29:35homeless. This action shows that the city has finally heard the crescendo of cries for help and has come to rescue in the most determined way possible. This is for Mayor Sarmiento, Council members Fan, Hernandez, and Lopez, who voted yes. Thank you very much for having the political will and humane resolve to stand in the gap to rescue the poor, the sickly, and the most vulnerable of Santanans first, along with 55% of our resident population who are renters, financially overwhelmed with unreasonable rent increases. To those who voted yes last time, you were doing the right thing, the right way, for all the right
4:30:03reasons for those about no you have the chance to turn back that no and vote yesterday thank you
4:30:40along that is followed by valerie esqueda followed by meslie lopez followed by david carvajal
4:30:48hello my name is alondra i am here to speak in support of rental control i come here today with a lot of gratitude towards the continuous efforts that the volunteers of attendance United Santana and community members have invested and continue to invest in the work towards rent control and just cause evictions. As many people have already mentioned, there have been multiple efforts throughout many years to fight for rent control. And as you already know, after the ballot initiative was not fully supported by city council members in 2018, many community members walk various neighborhoods throughout the city to ultimately
4:30:58collect over 9,000 signatures. We dedicated many weekday evenings after work, sometimes collecting signatures until 9 or 10 p.m., even though we had to work the next day, and many weekend mornings, afternoons, both Saturdays and Sundays, even though we could be resting. Although we fell short from the expected number of signatures, volunteers did not stop. The following year, volunteers assessed what improvements could have been made to a rent control campaign, as well as were intentional on expanding their capacity to become tenants counselors.
4:31:32This is not fully describe all of the work that tenants unit is on thana and community members have invested into this fight. But I think it's important to highlight the countless amount of time and effort invested in order to underline just how much the people have been wanting rent control in their community for a while now. Well, I am grateful. I also understand that it should have it should not have taken so much work to convince city council about the need to implement ordinance that would help keep their community members housed.
4:32:03At the end of the day, housing should be all right. And so in addition, I want to urge city council to enact the rent freeze to protect tenants. It does not make sense to raise rents on people who are merely trying to survive a pandemic. Enact a rent freeze to protect families in the meantime, while we all continue to fight for rent control. Lastly, as mentioned, Amy English voice of voice of OC article housing is not just any consumer good. It is a necessity of life and rent should be regulated for the public good. It should be treated like any other public good like food, water and air.
4:32:31We need rent control to help us protect the greatest cultural and economic asset Santana has its people. My condolences to the family of Brandon Lopez another life taken by police just proven proving once again that police do not keep our community safe and they never will. Rest in peace Brandon Lopez. Thank you. Valerie Esqueda followed by Mesli Lopez followed by David Carvajan followed by Maria Ceja. Hello everybody tonight. When I hear the concerns of those lined up in opposition of this item, I hear that they don't quite understand the conditions that our people in Santana face.
4:33:04I hear that they primarily worry about their investments suffering. The people of Santana who are here in support of rent control and those who couldn't be and here in support in person understand that an apartment is a home and so much more than someone's ability to profit so many of our community members become at risk of eviction when they receive the rent increase that is too high to keep up with we are asking for a rent cap that can keep people housed and slow down the rapid rates of displacement with just cause protections all 18 rent control
4:33:40ordinances in california include an individual petition process for landlords to request permission to impose larger rent increases if it is necessary to make a reasonable return. Property owners claiming that this is rushed, why should this be slowed down when property owners continuously ignore our humanity? They literally profit off of our suffering, to quote the elder from Ballyhai. We have elders, youth, parents in our community here in front of our council, members urging for the kind of change proposed by item 9. As long as housing is prioritized for its profitable margins. We will never have stable and healthy communities.
4:34:10Just in the last couple of weeks since rent control was put on the agenda, I've heard of various people across our city experience rent increases as landlords waste no time to impose the maximum allowable increase. Every day, our communities face some form of violence, whether it be outwardly visible or slow. Unjust evictions and flimsy renter protections facilitate violence, normalized use of lethal force by police facilitates violence. Brandon Lopez should be alive today. My condolences to his family. As Councilmember Hernandez said, a mental health crisis should not equal execution.
4:34:48The Anaheim PD recklessly and shamefully ignored his humanity. Unnecessary suffering will continue until we create the systems to reflect and support our right to thrive regardless of our income level. Please vote in favor of item nine. I urge the city of Santana to also enact a temporary rent freeze to protect those renters right now while rent control goes into effect. Thank you tonight. Next, we Lopez, followed by David Carvajal, followed by Maria Seja, followed by Jesus Santana. Good evening, Mayor Sarmiento and Council members.
4:35:25My name is Meshly Lopez and I'm here tonight to speak in favor of item nine on the agenda. At the same time, I would like to express my condolences to Councilmember Jonathan Hernandez, who is actually my representative. I'm really sorry for the way that your cousin was murdered. No one should ever die like that. He was brutally murdered. Brandon Lopez should be alive today.
4:36:03As the COVID-19 pandemic has shown, the job of elected officials is very high stakes because it carries with it life and death implications for the people you are elected to serve. The choices of politicians who came before you at the state, city, and federal level left us extra vulnerable to the impacts of the pandemic. And the same can be said about the impacts of allowing police officers to carry forth murdering our community members with impunity. The choices you make tonight will either help to safeguard vulnerable communities for a long time to come or leave them defenseless in the face of large-scale suffering.
4:36:29For Santana's majority renter, low-income, mixed status, immigrant, and multi-generational households, a 3% max allowable rent increase is responsive to the demographics of the city. And to quote again the article that Amy Inglis published earlier this week in the Voice of OC, housing is not just any consumer good, it is a necessity of life and rent should be regulated for the public good. It should be treated like any other public good like food, water, and air. We need rent control to help us protect the greatest cultural and economic asset Santana has,
4:37:11which is its people. I also want to speak briefly about the term dispossession, which is the action of depriving someone of land, property, or other possessions. And I would like to add that life. And that when you make choices today, you either will be voting in favor of preventing further dispossession, the dispossession of immigrant, refugee communities, communities of color who are just they have um some of them have had to migrate because they've been they've had their land taken away and we understand here that folks never migrate unless
4:37:52they're pushed to it folks would rather stay home and that the dispossession has become so normalized that we see our land our property and our very lives taken from us on a day-to-day basis and and that just becomes business as usual. But you all, like I said before, you have the power to enact policies that could either prevent suffering or allow it to continue. And that those choices also carry very high stakes.
4:38:33Yeah, they're high stakes and sorry, I'm feeling very emotional being up here. We shouldn't have to defend our humanity this way. Thank you.
4:39:09David Carvajal followed by Maria Ceja, followed by Jesus Santana, followed by Luis Serviento.
4:39:22Good evening, City Council. My name is David Carvajal. I am a resident of Ward 4, and I'm in here in support of Agenda Item 9, the Rent Stabilization Ordinance. The night has been really long. Most of us have worked long days. And we're now here in front of you once again, asking you to put the needs of our community first. We know the facts. We've shared them over and over again with you. Santana is extremely ramp-burdened. Community members are facing rent hikes. People are being evicted. It's happening right now outside of the chambers.
4:39:29cities across California already have rent stabilization cities like San Francisco Santa Monica Los Angeles rent civilization works Santana needs to be added to this list the people of Santana deserve to remain where remain in the city they have deep roots in our students deserve to remain in a school in school and not have to face evictions that disrupt their learning. Our elders, many of who we heard tonight, deserve to live in their mobile homes and shouldn't have to face between paying the rent or with their fixed income or paying for
4:40:07their medication. I was born and raised in the city. I'm a product of the Santa Ana Inupai School District. My mother was a housekeeper and my siblings and I rode in the back of our minivan on the weekends all through our childhood. We drove to Newport Beach, we drove to Irvine, to clean other people's houses. This is how we survived. We struggled to pay rent we were living. We've been paying rent at the apartment I live in still to this day since I was seven months old. This is the truth of so many tenants here in Santana. Residents deserve to live dignified
4:40:44lives. We ask that you support agenda item nine tonight and that we implement a rent freeze while ordinance takes effect. My city is changing. It's constantly getting harder and harder to live here and we all belong here. I also want to take this moment to send my deepest condolences to the family of Brandon Lopez who was brutally murdered by the Anaheim Police Department here in Santana. So many of us here tonight believe in a world in which we don't have to rely on police for other people for things other people are more qualified or for. We dream of a world
4:41:19in which we fund mental health programs and social services programs more than we fund our police departments. I, and so many of us here tonight, also believe in a world in which we recognize that housing is fundamental to our mental health, a world in which Brandon also deserve to live in. Thank you. Maria Ceja, followed by Jesus Santana, followed by Luis Sarmiento, followed by Carla Juarez.
4:41:54Good evening City Council Mayor and City Council. My name is Maria Ceja. I am a lifelong Santanera and a volunteer tenant counselor with Tenants United Santana. You know, I was thinking tonight about how I can present myself today. I can say all the numbers, I can say all the data to support and back my proposal to you to pass rent control and just cost protections.
4:42:24But recently our community faced and once again another destabilization occurrence in which one of our community members is brutally murdered and that just reflects how our community, I mean our city council and our local government has not reflected. Protecting the needs of our residents here and I'm truly so sorry about your loss Jonathan Hernandez.
4:42:50and that when I heard about this, I thought about what I had to face growing up here, what my brother had to face growing up here, and the de-disabilization that kids all over our neighborhoods are facing till this day. Santana can be one of the cities in California to have rent control and just cause protections to protect our communities and actually serve them and not prevent them from being destabilized and displaced from our communities. Santana needs that security so we can keep, we can remain and prosper here. We also need to be protected as in the case that you do approve this ordinance,
4:43:20in the case that you do approve rent control and just cause, we need a temporary rent increase to prevent any rent increase during the 30-day period before these laws do come into effect. I am at a loss of words. I really can't I feel like I cannot say enough about why we need this for our city and our community members. So thank you. Su Santana, followed by Luis Armiento, followed by Carla Juarez, followed by Benjamin Mendoza, Benjamin Vasquez.
4:43:58You could all get ready to speak as soon as the former speaker is done. That way we can get through this a little quicker, please.
4:44:37Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. My name is Jesus Santana. I'm a born and raised Santanero. I currently live in Ward 4. I've been living here all my life. I'm currently a volunteer with Tenants United Santana. and I support the Sullivan Action team in the Sullivan community. First and foremost, I would like to express my condolences to Jonathan Hernandez. I'm sorry for your loss, for your cousin. Rest in power, Brandon. It's hard and it's difficult. And my love and respects go out to you and your family and your Lopez family as well.
4:44:46Mental health and housing are two topics that have stuck with me tonight. Believe it or not, they are currently the crisis that have prevented many of our community members from going to sleep at night. These moments of uncertainty, despair, pain have really bruised up and scarred our loved ones here in Santana. It's time for our community to heal, like a mentor of mine who has shared and I really appreciate and love. We must transform these cycles of violence and harm into cycles of love and peace.
4:45:22Y'all want to know how you can start helping our community to heal? By supporting and voting in favor of Agenda Item 9 regarding rent control, just cost protections, and a rent freeze until the local protections go into effect. Rain control is not punishment for landlords. It's not. It's a protection for most vulnerable community members. All landlords should follow basic practices like reasonable rain creases and only evicting for good reason. For good reason. These are foundational principles
4:46:04and should apply to all landlords, large or small. To live a life with respect, dignity and honor as all our residents are asking for. Today I have heard from the residents who attended the July 10th Tulivan community march that they started receiving 60 day notices. Do you all know what that means? It hasn't even been a week in October and the eviction tsunami has initiated. That's what it means. Y'all wanna know why the community is upset and why y'all heard all those negative remarks?
4:46:41It's because we have failed and we're not protecting our loved ones. Those who voted against rent control. The community heard your last time. So please, let's listen to them. They are speaking. They are the ones who are coming from their homes and living this tragedy day by day. We got to do more. We got to do the best we can to serve our community members. the abuse the generational trauma the violence that these corporations and landlords have enacted in our black and brown communities must must come to an end this capitalistic ideology
4:47:18that prioritizes profit over people is not welcome here in santana take your business back to the city and states y'all come from you know what we say here in santana when our community is under attack what do we do that's right last but not least now that i finally know who my council member is which is you know which by the way thank you for confirming that daisy um you know i would like to encourage my representative phil vasera who's not here present you know to support and vote in favor of agenda item nine regarding rate control just cause protections and a ramp freeze until the local protections is going to effect. Lights red.
4:47:54Okay, my bad. Last comment. Do y'all know who these white people are? Neither do I. They don't live here in Santana. They don't live here in Santana. They gotta listen to the brown people. Thank you. Luis Sarmiento, Carla Juarez, followed by Benjamin Vasquez, followed by Vicky Talley.
4:48:36Good evening, everyone. Thank you for Thank you for listening. My name is Luis Armiento and I am a lifelong resident here in Santana. Also the program director for our community land trust Thrive Santana.
4:48:57I also want to start off by offering my condolences to Councilmember Hernandez.
4:49:19for the loss for the murder and unjust loss of your cousin.
4:49:30I'll try to be brief. I do wanna say that we have lost already too many people in our community to different types of violence.
4:49:42and over and over losing loved ones due to the unhealthy conditions in which we are forced to live the protections that we're talking about uh renter protections in item nine are basic and And so I'm here tonight to speak, to ask you to support the rental protections named in item nine, as well as a freeze on rent increases while the ordinance goes into effect.
4:49:57And I'd just like to share that I feel privileged to stand with community members who have come together overcoming countless challenges, creating solutions to the issues that impact all of us. Thank you. Carla Juarez followed by Benjamin Vasquez followed by Vicky Talley followed by Farron Kidd.
4:50:36Good evening. My name is Carla Juarez, long time resident of Santana. I also want to start my condolences to the familia Hernandez and Lopez. This is not the first incident and I am like truly saddened and I try to hold back tears that it won't be the last. In 2003, Elmore Bustos was also shot in the back, 17 year old at Willard neighborhood.
4:50:59The police stopped them and he ran. They knew who he was, the same as your cousin. They knew who he was. His father was there. They could have sent his father to take him out of the car. The police could have let Elmore go and just go to his house and find him there, but they decided to shoot him and murder them.
4:51:32This has to stop, and it will stop. Community will keep coming back. And I am paying my attention to Mr. Phil Becerra because you are my council member and my ward. rent control has to pass the landlords are here don't live here we do
4:51:58eight percent is what the state mandates eight percent no more than eight percent we're asking for three and the landlords are tripping out because there's a five percent difference they think their banks is going to break over five percent difference now imagine the families that they can't pay their rent when it's 10% or more.
4:52:20You've heard us many times, you know us, you know me, you know all the community members that come in and we're not leaving. The same as all the families on Bristol because of eminent domain, y'all got rid of them. You weren't here. Well, they're not here either, but their descendants are coming back. We don't forget what you guys do.
4:52:45And then these landlords,
4:53:17they think it's a joke that the evictions don't happen. They think we're making this up, but we're the ones out there on the streets, complaining that police officers are helping this self evictions. And then all these people don't go to court because they don't have money because they don't have papers and they're intimidated in there for real these are happening and i don't care how many times they left or how many times they come because all this community keeps on coming back the reason why i don't have kids because i can't afford them
4:53:21because i don't want them to go through this like honestly i am barely like holding on to life because it sucks, but I am here because I have my brother and my sister to think of. And they also need to move out eventually, but they can't afford it because the rents are too damn high. Thank you for my time. Thank you. Benjamín Vázquez, followed by Vicky Talley, followed by Farron Kidd, followed by Dominic Barrett.
4:53:57Good evening, Mayor, good evening, City Council. My condolences to the family of Brandon Lopez and Councilmember Jonathan Hernandez. My deep condolences. In the city we do need police oversight for these reasons. We need police oversight now because we need accountability of some kind. We have a district attorney who won't go after killer cops. We have a police department that votes in Jerry Serrano every year, every year, every year. they continue to vote this man in jerry serrano went after a police chief got him fired but first had to fire city manager to get that guy got fired recalled the city council member a vote of no
4:54:30confidence and he threatened to burn down the city we need accountability for the police department this is ongoing we need an oversight or we will have more debts at the at the hands of police I'm also here in solidarity with the Valley High seniors and TUSA and calling for rent control. As a teacher at Valley High School, I have my kids survey their community of what are the issues in their communities. They survey each other. Rent control is always at the top for the last five years.
4:55:12I had a boy tell me, we've been kicked out of our garage. every year in high school. Because they they had no justice.
4:55:51They live in the garage and they're getting kicked out every year.
4:56:03I'm asking for rent control. We see the people who voted for it and it's the new council. And I appreciate each of you, the new the new folks voted in with the new mayor. It's a new way of doing Santa Ana. The old council sells out. Santa no se vende. We don't. Santa no se vende.
4:56:12Vicki Talley followed by Farron Kidd, followed by Dominic Barrett, followed by Clay Hogg.
4:56:37I'm the Mayor, members of the City Council, Vicki Talley. I'm the Executive Director of the Manufactured Housing Educational Trust, and I think you know that I represent the owners of the mobile home park communities in the City of Santa Ana as well as Orange, Riverside, and San Bernardino counties. It was interesting this evening that you began with about 17 folks from Valley High Mobile Home Park organized by a very good community organizer. pictures up here for you and everything and they testified at how
4:56:47egregious the rents were in the park i want to give you some statistics i think the record needs to be set straight and i do believe that the people here in the audience tonight are going to be rather shocked to find out what those folks are paying for rent valley high has 115 55 spaces 119 of those spaces pay rent of $887 a month. I have no idea and I challenge any one of you to find a place where any one of those seniors could live cheaper. Of course they have to pay.
4:57:20Of course they have to pay their utilities just like every other renter and every other homeowner has to but there's more statistics to look at bad mobile home community owner subsidizes and 14 people in that park when they're in need they're receiving help that's the program i've talked with you about that our organization sponsors the city with all the outreach and everything on your community emergency funding is funding and approved two people in that part one other has applied and
4:57:59will probably be helped what is the crisis here these people are being misled as are most of the people who have been at your podium tonight testifying they have moved from needing to have rent control to now wanting a rent freeze and you even hearing they want rent reductions i mean what next you will never be able to satisfy them they are being they truly are not being honest with their constituency and they're not being honest with you please uh be respectful i
4:58:39would like to i would like to frankly repeat what we heard at the last meeting because it was so important the questions that Council Member Mendoza asked will rent control stop rent increases the answer was no will rent control stop evictions the answer was no this is not the answer folks the answer is to learn what's going on why people are feeling feeling the way they are and you've listen to how well programs that are that our community owners have and your housing providers
4:59:16have like our rental assistance program please please reconsider this action and let's not move forward this evening with a second reading thank you very very much farron kid followed by dominic Brett followed by Clay Hogg followed by Pedro Magallone.
4:59:56Good evening. My name is Farron Kidd. I'm a representative of the Black community in Orange County, standing in solidarity with the Brown community, standing in solidarity with the Lopez family, standing in solidarity with Councilman Jonathan Hernandez and their loss for their family member and their community member Brandon Lopez. It's no secret that police oversight is a significant issue to black and brown community members all across this nation. What it may have been a long period of time where police oversight, the conversation of
5:00:17it has been disregarded and minimized as not significant. despite innumerable complaints by members of the community, especially those of us who are Black and Brown, that police have been brutalizing us, harassing us, framing us, and murdering us for years. In light of all the videos that we now see substantiating severe police misconduct.
5:00:55We can no longer pretend that police oversight is not an emphatic necessity.
5:01:25And because it's completely illogical to ask the police to oversee themselves. We would never ask criminals to investigate criminals.
5:01:35We support. Council members. To form an oversight committee of law enforcement in this city.
5:01:49Not only do we support it. But the people demand it.
5:02:03To that end, in light of the recent murder of Santa Ana community member Brandon Lopez by the Anaheim Police Department in this city, and it's appropriate to call it a murder,
5:02:11the police didn't have to kill Brandon Lopez. They chose to kill Brandon Lopez because they wanted to kill Brandon Lopez.
5:02:29We demand that Santa Ana. Pursue full justice for Brandon Lopez by holding the Anaheim Police Department fully accountable, and you can begin that process by releasing the names of the center and a police officers who acted as agents in aiding Anaheim Police Department in the assassination of Brandon Lopez.
5:02:38Further, you can initiate that process by releasing all the footage from the Santa Ana Police Department's body cam footage on body cam videos that night, as well as any additional footage that will allow the public transparency into what actually happened that night, because we know the narrative that that that Anaheim Police Department wants to push ain't really it. Every year, police budgets get bigger and bigger, but crime rates don't get smaller and smaller. We know that the solution to crime is not police and more money for police, because if it was, we would have had this problem solved a long time ago.
5:03:04crime is created through poverty and that's why these people want rent control because if you start taking more money out of the hands of the citizens the communities are going to get poorer and poorer then we're going to struggle with all the kinds of issues you can begin winding up then we're going to then we begin finding ourselves facing our kids facing all those issues that lead them into lives of crime. More money into the hands of mental health programs, more oversight committee from trusted representatives of law enforcement.
5:03:48Thank you. Dominic Barrett, followed by Clay Hogg, followed by Pedro Magallon. Clay Hogg,
5:04:20followed by Pedro Magallon, followed by Victor Cow, followed by Vanessa Gonzalez.
5:04:29Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. My name is Clay Haig. I operate two mobile home parks in Santa Ana.
5:04:43Forty years ago when I first went to work for the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, I learned very quickly that three supervisors out of five was better than having two supervisors out of five to vote your way. Tonight I recognize that Santa Ana City Council has a 4-3 vote for this rent control ordinance. But I got to tell you, what I've seen tonight is nothing more than a push with raw political power to get their way.
5:04:53And you hear it because with insults and threats to the city council members, the people who represent them. What we hear tonight is you got to have rent control so that we can have dignity, so that we can have social justice, so that we can prevent suffering. I can tell you from years of experience that rent control will do nothing, nothing like that. I've been in Yucaipa when they invented when they enacted a rent control ordinance, and there were cheers and those everybody's high-fiving.
5:05:29Five months later, there was tears when we saw one park after another getting a hundred dollars, 125, 135 dollar rent increases under rent control. And it's going to happen here, honest to God it's going to happen here too, and so all the promises all those promises for social justice for dignity they're going to go right out the window with those hundred and $15 rent increases because that's what's guaranteed in rent control ordinances.
5:06:11So what this public policy is public policy is based on a bunch of lives. This public policy is based on a bunch of failures, failures to provide that you've got high rents because of high demand. Why do you have high demand because you got low supply got more people than you have units somewhere somewhere. There was a failure in providing those housing housing units. You've heard stories about evictions tonight. Where were they? Nobody has even asked one question. Show me one eviction that's happened during the pandemic when the courts are closed.
5:06:46You don't see it. I tell you what. You're hearing it over and over again. So I tell you what. Let's not vote for this thing because it is not going to work. It's based on lies and without that foundation, this public policy is bad. Thank you. Pedro Magallon followed by Victor Cal followed by Vanessa Gonzalez followed by Julie Pauly.
5:07:29Please, if I can ask everybody to just their voices down.
5:08:00Thank you. Good evening, Marion City Council. I was here a little bit over a month ago, and I'm standing here as a miracle because I almost died. I was in the hospital for nine days, and ICU for four days. I'm here already right now about ready to pass out, but I cannot go home and not speak on item number 16. And I beg you guys today to not pass anything of this in the park and recreations, because this woman right here,
5:08:05Lisa Bess, she is being deceiving and she is lying to you guys. I asked you for a meeting. Your secretary was very helpful. Thank you for accepting the meeting, but it's worthless when it's in October 20th. And you guys are gonna vote tonight to hear us. She hasn't given us the respect. She's still treating us like trash. I'm gonna use the same words of another Caucasian white man. She's deceiving you guys with the truth.
5:08:46She has us community leaders that have had nonprofit organizations organization using the fields in Santa Ana for Santa and the kids to increase to 90%, which I do not. I'm not an opposed to that. I agree 100% to them. But how come Mother Day will only comply with 50% San and a resident because they are the rich?
5:09:23So she's hiding a lot of the truth. And I would like to ask you guys for an exercise. I know you guys can't engage and give us, but you can raise your hand. How many of you guys have actually seen the old policies and procedures versus the new policies and procedures?
5:09:53Can I get your hand? to if you raise your hand, that means you've seen them. If you don't raise your hand, that means you have not seen them. She's not letting us speak. Look at this big, important ornament or something that's going to happen, and she's trying to hide the new policies and procedures that she's trying to implement. She doesn't know how much she's going to hurt our community, the kids in our community, but yet she makes more than what any organization, sports organization in Santa Ana makes. And she goes home and she pays taxes in another city.
5:10:15And we all know it's not a secret. She's leaving too. Pedro, speak to the policy probably a little bit better. She's leaving too. And she's going to leave us with some deceiving areas and materials. So please do not vote on that. Help us talk to you guys. I said when I came here, I welcome change, but not the kind of changes she's trying to do, because she's only trying to help very little people and they're not even from Santa Ana. So thank you and I hope I can come healthy to the next meeting. Thank you for your time.
5:10:55Thank you. Victor Cow followed by Vanessa Gonzalez followed by Julie Paul followed by Chad case in Heizer. Good evening, Honorable Mayor, members of the City Council. My name is Victor Cow. I'm the Senior Vice President at the California Apartment Association.
5:11:33We've assembled a coalition of rental housing providers, even homeowner groups, neighborhood council representatives, and there are other groups that feel disenfranchised by the process that the city or actually lack of process the city has laid out for the rent control ordinance. There have been on record affordable housing operators within the community that expressed concerns as well as crime victims groups. And the issue is that the city has overlooked its own processes in comparison again the general plan as well as other housing issues
5:11:52within the community had more extensive process. We do classify that these meetings were secret and the fact that public access is barred and for those that many of you that have run on the idea of more sunshine within city government, they simply shrouded the entire process you know but behind closed doors.
5:12:32The fact is that as a result of roughly six months of these meetings is that the The rent control and just cause ordinance are still half faked. It lacks a fiscal analysis, it lacks any substantive language to help owners follow owner's regulations.
5:12:56There's been a lack of community support on this issue. There were 47,579 voters that voted to oppose rent control. And namely that in representing constituents, those that have run citywide, that is the number of constituents that should be represented. as well as the nearly 3,400 in Ward 3 that have again voted no on rent control.
5:13:11That being said, we've tried to work in partnership with the city to address the challenges with housing affordability. I've been in meetings with city staff at least for the past two weeks on the rental assistance program and prior to that several months. The city's own records show that there are over 35 million dollars at the time of the report that was budgeted. The city's own records had budgeted 35 million dollars for rental assistance. Four percent, under four percent of households in the city have received any sort of help and roughly 7,700 applications were incomplete or rejected by the city.
5:13:41The questions that we've raised on this issue are two. There are two scenarios.
5:14:23One is that your own city staff attested to the fact that they believe that they've helped all those that actually need help. So the question is, is a problem bigger than what some of the the advocates have described here today.
5:14:30There are only 4% of renters who have actually needed help, and this seems to be a solution in search of a problem. That being said is that these policies have not succeeded in any of these cities. They have the highest rates of homelessness, highest rates of income inequality. And the question that we've posed to you here today is simply to
5:14:50reach out and not alienate your business community who's seeking to work in partnership with you.
5:15:16Victor, if you can wind up.
5:15:24Thank you. Vanessa Gonzalez, followed by Julie Paul, followed by Chad Kaysenheiser.
5:15:26Hello to everybody here. I first off, I'm Vanessa Gonzalez, so I first off want to give my condolences to Council Member Hernandez. My family will be praying for your family. It's so sad to have tragedies. Tragedies like that happen in the hands of people in power, and that we hope would ultimately have the best interest of the people in the community.
5:15:37Again, I am Vanessa Gonzalez. I'm a wife and a mother of three kids. Yet to meet three of them last time that spoke, and I'm also hoping to adopt another through the foster care system. I am a parent leader for the communities of Santa Ana. I volunteer alongside these many parents. It has been wonderfully amazing seeing all of us grow beginning from being parent volunteers in the Santa Ana schools, then through leadership trainings, and now many of us are graduates from phase one of COFI, which means community organizing and family issues. We very much appreciate that
5:16:01item number nine for rent control and just cause evictions have now been added to the agenda these items have been huge family and community issues for a long time and we're so grateful these issues have been getting considered more seriously it is expected that there will be people against this as it has been mentioned before we are not going after the good landlords and property owners but this ordinance is extremely needed to stop the bad ones at one of the last council meetings we all heard what landlords and managers thought of many of their tenants. A lot of them did not have very nice things to say.
5:16:40Their motives are very evident in their pleas against rent control. They don't want rent control because they really want to continue raising it as much as they can. They are property owners that easily forget that they have people's lives in their hands that can't get a wage increase anytime that the landlord feels they want to make extra money by raising the rents. We also heard them say that tenants should get better educations and better jobs to afford their rent. It can be just as easy to say to those landlords if they can't manage and research affordable
5:17:16resources for the upkeep of their properties and need to drastically raise rents on their tenants to stay afloat, then maybe they should get better educations and better income opportunities too. That would be a really discriminatory thing to say to them, but somehow they think they can just throw that out to our Santa Ana renters. It is important to take into consideration like ages, the disabled, retired, fixed income, single parents, and multiple job working families that they're just trying to provide a roof for themselves and their loved ones. Some council members felt to see the emergency of the situation
5:17:51with the state protections for renters ending. Nalila Mendoza asked if there were still programs and funds to help renters and since there was then she said that there wasn't an emergency but she keeps asking for data and it's failed to be understood that many renters cannot apply they have applied but can't qualify many renters do not have the required items to apply and as you've heard many have been denied and they're just trying to keep a roof over their head we can't provide that type of data because that type of data is not collected but we are living data
5:18:26many renters also can't apply because it's a complex situation of several families living together to pay for one rent because the rent entrances make it impossible to afford their own place the data for homelessness even through the school district is incorrect because it is a little known fact that one is actually considered homeless if they do not have their own residence
5:19:00Vanessa if you can start winding up the lights red thank you um pretty much even if you share
5:19:19an apartment or home you're still considered homeless and a lot of people don't even mark that on their on their surveys because they don't consider themselves homeless but just thank you we can make a change and we can be part of a solution thank you thank you julie paul followed
5:19:26by chad case and hyzer followed by yvette sochi what she uh good evening council and i want to
5:19:42use some of my time to also express my condolences to councilman hernandez i was unknowingly sitting next to your aunt in the audience and her strength is really inspirational unfortunately we are on opposite sides of this issue um i'd like to share the editorial that the orange county register wrote in response to your september 21st vote the headline is santa anna law will decimate rental
5:19:52market and it went on to quote madam clerk if you can start the clock i think it's still on red
5:20:17thank you i'm sure i'll be under my three minutes the old economic saying goes you get more of what you subsidize and less of whatever you tax or punish through regulation by punishing companies that provide apartments and rental houses this the city will see less will see its rental stock dry up, something that will only exacerbate the shortages. They, referring to property owners, will be less apt to upgrade older buildings and make necessary repairs. Misbehaving tenants will more easily evade eviction, which harms the city's neighborhoods. And they quote an international economist, quote, in many cases, rent control appears to be
5:20:25the single most effective technique presently known to destroy a city, except for bombing. so again there is common ground here if we slow down to see it landlords do not want the single mother that councilman hernandez eloquently described to be housing insecure we want the younger mother and her children housed we want the seniors in the mobile home parks to remain housed the city of santa anna will not create housing security by passing rent control ordinance that simply caps the next increase. Instead of studying the issue and working with landlords and tenant groups together,
5:21:07you have missed the opportunity to craft a system that would provide significant support to Santa Ana's tenants and needs. And instead you seem hell bent on an archaic system that spreads out the subsidy razor thin to everybody, regardless of need. So young people who are upwardly mobile received the exact same subsidy as the young mom councilman Hernandez described. Working professionals will not leave their subsidized unit for market housing, making it even more difficult for disabled seniors to find affordable housing. You haven't studied the effects on housing, the cost of this ordinance, no research, no input,
5:21:48and now you have lost the moral high ground of our process was legal because we know it wasn't. Two short years ago, the city of Santa Ana conducted a thorough review of your 29 mobile home parks. Have any of the new council members read that 288 page report? Was it provided to the ad hoc committee? I guess there's no time available to determine fact from fiction in this process. True leaders don't cause separation. They bring people together. And I'm sad that you've lost the opportunity here in Santa Ana.
5:22:30Thank you. Thank you. Chad Kassenheiser, followed by Yvette Suchyokin, followed by
5:23:06Good evening. My name is Chad Kassenheiser and I manage a mobile home park in Ward 3. Thank you very much for having us tonight. I'd also like to reiterate the condolences, Mr. Hernandez, to you and your family. Thoughts and prayers with you. To the gentleman who was here earlier and asked about who all the white people were just like I invited the Council to come to the park that I manage. I'd be more than happy to introduce myself in person and say hello, because we don't get that chance here. And right now it's such an us versus them mentality and I don't think it needs to be collaboration would be a great thing and.
5:23:19And many, many, many cities keep the comments down and many cities have worked together with collaborating on ideas such as rent control with memorandums of understanding and they have had great success so. So I'm not going to sit up here and tell you what to think. I'm not going to tell the residents in here what to think. What I'd like to do is I'd like to ask for you to do your research. I'd like to ask for you to find the facts. I'd like for you to question us. Ask us the questions. Ask us about our rents. Ask us about our evictions. Ask the residents that have said they've been evicted. What is going on with them?
5:23:56What has happened? I can tell you my experience is limited. I run one mobile home property with over 200 spaces. However, I believe I said this two weeks ago. We have less than 2% delinquencies. We had fewer than 2% of our residents apply for assistance from the city. Those two did receive. assistance, and that's wonderful. We have had zero non-payment evictions in 15 years of me managing the community, and that's repetitive from last time I was here, but I urge you to ask the questions. Many of the owners and landlords are good people. They have tried to protect rents with long-term
5:24:33leases that have limits on amounts that can be increased over that term. Many of them just limit rent increases on their own accord. But we hear stories the last couple of weeks, $500 rent increases, multiple rent increases in a 12 month period. The landlords in this room that are speaking are bound by laws that don't allow that. As another landlord spoke this earlier this evening, he mentioned the declaration of the state of emergency. There are limits on what can be done.
5:25:12So all I'm asking is that you ask those that are claiming that they've had these $500 increases to find out where they're coming from and how those increases were applied because chances are they aren't actually legal. So otherwise, if they are legal, they don't apply to large property owners. They apply to single family residences. And that is a shame. And I feel sorry for that. But I ask for you to consider to do your research and to come to a decision that makes sense. And most importantly, I wish that we could have some sort of collaboration in this where
5:25:45there might be an understanding where we can work together as opposed to against each other. Thank you.
5:26:21Yvette, followed by Elias Casanez, followed by Robert McDonald, followed by Danielle McCarthy. Sorry, it's such a joke. It's okay.
5:26:31Good evening. My name is so to you. And like many of these people, I grew up in the community of Santana. I moved to South Orange County a couple years ago, but my work leads me back to the community with my people. So I still live in Santana. Before I begin, I would like to make a a comment on the rent control and that is don't you ever ever ever forget that you're on unceded indigenous land that's what i might be so i would like to start by sharing a prayer
5:26:44given to me by one of my elders given to him by one of the elders in 1930s my of elias barza Virgin of Guadalupe, I leave my son in your hand. Protect them from the police and from those who are always looking for someone to beat on. My son, be careful. Do not look at the police. Do not ever look them in the eye. If they call you out or if they question you, do not respond to them forcefully. always obey them. Dear God, please take care of my son. So now I'm going to continue in Spanish
5:27:23because I feel the moral authority to speak for those people who cannot be here today and also have a language barrier.
5:28:05How many parents will be praying for their loved ones? How many children will be praying for their loved ones? How many more will have to live with the trauma of having a family murdered in the hands of authorities? The problem that this condado has no is a new problem, nor much less distant. It is a system problem that has existed for hundreds of years. No is enough to have a council of representatives that look like us and that speak the same language that we have. We have to do more.
5:28:28In our community, in our neighborhoods, the judicial system is a system of punishment, a punitive system that makes examples of us, of our lives and our errors. The police and their surveillance of black bodies are what makes these interactions result in life or death. The criminalization of abuse of substances and mental health problems directly puts the lives of color people in danger. Nine of every ten people in their life experience a mental health crisis, at least one time.
5:29:02police violence and brutality are a problem that puts our right to life, our human rights, and it is an imminent crisis of public health and has to deal with it. Since the year 2000, almost 34,000 people have suffered deaths by the order of the forces. These are numbers of war, and the war is in case. California, the south of California, is the epicenter of these assassinations. That means Los Angeles, Orange County, San Diego. The war is here. If there is something to learn from the case of Brandon López, it is that nobody, absolutely nobody is safe,
5:29:41even when they have a family represent the people. We exigimos justice for Brandon and his family. We want the names of the officials involved. We want the department of Anaheim to be responsible for the assassinations.
5:30:22respect brown existence or expect resistance thank you
5:30:42i'm speaking for the the moms that uh need protection how many our moms pray for protection they pay protection for their children generation after generation but this is a problem of generations how many more generations have to die how many families how many wives how many parents we are just trying to to stay alive we're being accosted by the by the accosted by the trauma of of murder this problem is not new this problem in orange county is not new it's a systemic problem that's been around for hundreds of years. It's not enough to have representatives
5:30:57that in the government that look like us, they need to think like us. And this is a problem that is a punitive system. It's they're trying to make examples out of us. And whenever there is police involvement with our brown or Black people, it's an issue of life and death. uh crime is against uh people who are who are looking like us and our people are endangered
5:31:37when when this confrontations happen um uh since 2000 since the year 2034 thousand people have died at the hands of law enforcement and the southern california is the epicenter of this. These are war numbers and the war is at home. We, the lesson to be learned from Brandon Lopez's death is that there's no, that nobody is safe, even if you have people that you know in government. We demand justice for Brandon Lopez. We demand to know the names of the officers involved. We demand to
5:32:11that the videos from the officers and the videos that were taken around there are made public.
5:32:52Thank you, Elias Casales, followed by Robert McDonald,
5:32:59followed by Danielle McCarthy, followed by Media Mesa.
5:33:05Mayor and Councilman, my name is Robert McDonald. I am an account manager with Kingsley Management Corporation. I oversee the operations and management of three mobile home communities, totaling nearly 500 spaces and families living in these communities.
5:33:15I have managed these communities for 12 plus years. The group that I represent has owned and managed these communities for over five decades.
5:33:37Over this period of time, we have poured millions of dollars into the maintenance, upkeep, and the rehabilitation of these communities.
5:33:50This is a hard situation because on both sides of this issue, we need each other.
5:34:03As business owners and investors, we rely on residents to live in our communities, to live in our apartment buildings in order for our business plan to succeed
5:34:13and those living in our communities they rely on us willing to put our capital at risk and to invest in these areas
5:34:27i believe all of you have the best of intentions in helping santa anna residents However, this rent control ordinance is not well thought out and it will end up hurting those that you are intending to help.
5:34:42You will be introducing an economic virus into your city.
5:34:59This virus will cause further division between residents and landlords.
5:35:05You will begin to see properties not begin to have the proper capital to maintain clean and safe communities. Rent control is a failed social experiment and it is a statistical certainty that it will backfire. This is a lose-lose policy.
5:35:11Investor capital will find other areas where their investment isn't muzzled by an erroneous policy. It will not happen overnight,
5:35:34but the unintended consequences are the economic result. It will wreak havoc, and that will be your burden to carry.
5:35:44I urge you to vote no on this ordinance, and let's find a new solution for everyone involved, business interests, the residents.
5:35:56let's find a new solution for the beautiful city of Santa Ana. In my 12 years, I have not participated in one eviction. We feel that we are being fair landlords, and I urge you to vote now. Thank you. Thank you. Danielle McCarthy, followed by Media Nessa, followed by Erin Lynn Scott, followed by Luis Tapia. Good evening, Mayor Sarmiento and members of City Council. Thank you for your service and for your time on this issue. My name is Danielle McCarthy, and I have been involved with the rental housing industry for over 15 years.
5:36:08I first started my career as a leasing consultant at Park Plaza Apartments located at 805 West Stevens in Santa Ana. I have seen many evolutions in the industry in the last few years, many positive and some negative. but nothing as detrimental to both housing providers and renters as rent control. What I have observed is that many tenant advocate groups such as TUSA, renters and politicians have been misguided in their understanding of the issue, and in fact misguided to believe that there is in fact a citywide issue at hand which needs to be
5:36:48addressed. There are many sad stories portrayed in the media which describe residents receiving $400 rent increases and being pushed to homelessness. Have these stories been fact-checked? Were both sides of the story considered? We cannot take everything that we hear in the media for face value. The individuals who believe in rent control have become short-sighted to hear one thing. Their rent will not be raised and they will be able to afford to live in their city. Sure, it might sound like an appealing concept, but rent control is not the solution.
5:37:25Did you know of the top six U.S. cities with the highest rate of homelessness, at least five are confirmed to have rent control? What these supporters and you, if you vote for this ordinance, are failing to understand are the fundamental faults with this proposal. That it is inherently designed to fail everyone involved. Renters, housing providers, city citizens, politicians, and the economy. The ordinance doesn't provide affordable housing. It promotes a rundown community riddled with crime and lack of regulation, safety or maintenance. It promotes overcrowding and overuse of the property.
5:37:59If residents are able to add occupants to their apartment home without landlord approval, where will these individuals park? Where will they do their laundry? If your neighbor breaks into your car or home and robs you, how will we know who they are? How will we cooperate with police if we don't know who lives at our property? I'm not suggesting all of these individuals to be criminals, but these are facts of incidents which occur every single day in every single community. And the more the government ties our hands to protect our residents, the worse it is for everyone.
5:38:40We already get complaints about neighbors and noise and well-managed properties. Do you think this will improve the peaceful enjoyment for the residents of Santa Ana? If new residents don't have to be properly screened and qualified, is that fair to existing residents who are subject to a qualification process? Not allowing a professional property management company to screen prospective residents and to evict problem residents endangers people living in our communities. How about for homeowners of single-family homes in the surrounding neighborhoods?
5:39:15based on your research of why rent control is an effective policy does it increase home values in the city it does not how are we expected to give the residents of santa ana a better life if we can only recoup 80 of cpi in rent growth the fundamentals of that math problem automatically declared that we will be at a loss how will we afford to pay our employees our contractors our vendors do you think our costs for advertising for insurance and security patrols Danielle if you could start winding up have remained stagnant over the years and below CPI
5:39:48I'll skip ahead and in closing I will say that I believe you have been misguided by many of the testimonies and stories in the media that suggests all landlords are greedy rich and evil I believe you have been misled to think this is a fight in which you need to choose people or profits That is not what this is about, and that is not who we are as landlords. Thank you. At my company, our mission is to make coming home the best part of our residence day, and we are driven by excellence and pride ourselves on providing a safe and quality, fair place for people to live.
5:40:24Thank you. I suggest you consider this rent control ordinance, verify the claims which you have heard in the last two meetings, collaborate with industry experts and economists to find a solution which better serves all of us involved. Thank you.
5:40:54Miriam Mesa followed by Aaron Lynn Scott followed by Lewis Tapia.
5:41:08Good evening, Mayor and and the members of the Santa Ana City Council. My name is Miriam Mesa. I am a resident as well as a community director here at Washington Place Apartments in Santa Ana, which is 60 units. I strongly oppose the rec control and just cause eviction. not being able to control the number of people living in our apartments is a bad idea it will only hurt our our property and our tenants overcrowding will create more wear and tear on the apartments and the community this would increase the maintenance expenses utility usage and parking issues that will significantly that will significantly lower the standard
5:41:17of living of all of our residents that they deserve.
5:41:58It will hinder the ability for us as responsible tenants to professionally manage a community.
5:42:04This will affect how will this affect members of the community? Well, it is if an unauthorized individual is allowed to move in without the qualifying um uh comp will only oh sorry without qualifying uh they will only cause more complications this will increase neighbor to neighbor disputes and distribute our residents uh right to quiet and peaceful enjoyment of our communities uh the apartment is someone's home if anyone is allowed to move in where will they park
5:42:12What happens if they're locked out of their apartments? How will we be able to verify that they are an actual resident? And how would we be able to know that they actually live there? How is this fair for all of our residents who have gone through a qualifying to live in our community? Respectfully, I ask you to reconsider the merits and challenges with this ordinance and recognize that much more thought needs to be input on what can happen to all of us and our residents. Thank you.
5:42:46Thank you. Aaron Lynn Scott, followed by Louis Tapia, followed by Amy Filan.
5:43:22Good morning, Mayor and City Council members. My name is Erin Lynn Scott. I am the Regional Property Coordinator with Advanced Management Company. We have 1600 apartment homes here in the City of Santa Ana. I oppose rent control and just cause eviction for many reasons. The main one I want to speak about today is we cannot evict someone without just cause. To evict someone, we need cold, hard facts. During the last ordinance reading and again today, we have heard statements about people losing their home and evictions taking place when there was a longstanding moratorium on evictions. Landlords have not been able to go to courts.
5:43:30Courts have been closed. We have not been able to file evictions. So how are these tenants getting evicted? Since there has not been actual tenant names or data provided, there's no way of verifying whether the statements that you're hearing are accurate. Are you going to arbitrarily vote on something without verifying that the information that has been presented to you is accurate? Right now in the state of California, in order to file an eviction, you need to have been completely non-responsive and refused to apply for rental assistance. Based on that information
5:44:12in our Santa Ana portfolio, two out of 1600 would qualify for us to send to eviction. Why are we trying to change a system that is not broke? Thank you.
5:44:48Our lens. Luis Tapia.
5:45:07Good morning. My name is Luis Tapia, and I am the community director at the Apartment, which is 112 units in this beautiful city of Santa Ana. I oppose the rent control and just cause eviction ordinance. I stand before you today to let you know that this will definitely create more crime. The biggest issue I see here at my community is drug related crime. We recently had a resident son who was not on the lease enter their garage and utilize the space. There were signs of meth creation, prostitution, drug use and vandalism.
5:45:14Our courtesy patrol found the man that was sleeping in the garage that night. The police came to arrest him. He was charged with controlled substances, controlled substance paraphernalia, vandalism of the garage, trespassing, squatting in the garage. By approving a just-cause eviction clause and allowing tendencies, you would be inviting more crime into the city. if anyone can just move into the apartment without landlord approval we lose our ability to ensure our residents get the value quiet and peaceful enjoyment of their apartment
5:45:54please stop this insanity and do not pass the ordinance thank you
5:46:33amy fillin
5:46:43all by hector gartnika
5:46:47good evening mayor or good morning mayor and members of the santa anna city council my name is amy filling and i'm a regional director with advanced management company and i oversee and manage over 938 apartment homes here in santa anna i want to go on record and say i vehemently oppose the rent control and just cause eviction ordinance um this evening and earlier yesterday Last night, I want to speak to the factual information. I have facts that seem to be lacking in the prior meeting. In the first reading of this ordinance, I heard a lot of stories instead of data.
5:46:52We heard that there were large rent increases over and over again.
5:47:34What I want to know is who specifically is doing this? Was this information verified?
5:47:40We are really under governing laws in the state of California that allow us to give only a certain defined and limited percentage of an increase. If someone gave a $400 increase, that would be a violation of SB 1482, unless the rent was nearly $4,700 a month.
5:47:50I don't see that we have, or it's highly unlikely we would have rent to the magnitude of $4,700 a month in the city of Santa Ana.
5:48:18Did the ad hoc committee or the council ask about this data? Did they ask who? Did they ask when the increases were sent? All of this is relevant and pertinent information needed. Has this information been verified? If this was not verified, then it's all hearsay. I speak with facts that I can quote and show sources of the information and the reality of things. I am not seeing that being presented, and as a result, it would seem that we are making decisions based on unsupported emotions,
5:48:34rather than facts that never leads to a viable outcome. I implore you to not make a decision that is not reasonable and that is based on non-verified information. I would like to suggest that TUSA directs their efforts to helping the residents in need of financial assistance. I would be happy to volunteer my time to help TUSA as I have been very successful working in the city of Santa Ana.
5:49:15specifically with Judson Brown, the housing division manager, Stephen Langlois, the CARES program supervisor for the Salvation Army, and Michelle Murphy with the United Way. In order for residents, they've been very successful. We've been very successful in paying past due rents off. success is achieved by setting up events, hosting events at our properties to help make it easier for our residents to sign up for rental assistance, calling our residents, texting our residents,
5:49:45going to their apartment homes, visiting with them, setting appointments with them, doing whatever it takes to get them the rental assistance they need to make them whole.
5:50:22Thank you. If you could please wrap up.
5:50:36I will make myself available to those that are in need of help. Thank you for your time, and please reconsider this decision. Thank you very much.
5:50:40Hector, followed by Lauren Marty, followed by Ellie Flores.
5:50:51Hector, followed by Lauren Marty, followed by Ellie Flores. Are you Lauren? Go ahead.
5:50:59Good morning, Mayor and members of Santa Ana City Council. My name is Lauren Marty. I'm currently a community director at Artist Village Apartments in Santa Ana. I manage 197 units. I oppose the rent control and just cause eviction ordinance. The proposed ordinance would allow tenants to add new occupants without owner approval. These new occupants would not be subject to the same screening process that all existing residents had to go through, which could be deemed discriminatory according to fair housing. In addition, this can easily become a means to a primary resident to act as a front for others
5:51:12to come into our community who can wreak havoc in the community. Clearly this means rising crime, you'd have no means to identify the perpetrators and to assist law enforcement. As many examples that I've seen in the past. However, presently at my property where we have a resident who's brought unauthorized people into the apartment and now we can continue to have disputes where police come out and it's ongoing and we can't do anything. Our hands are tied. If one were to believe that the underlying motivation is to help the renters, this is not the way to go about it. The effects of this
5:51:47ordinance needs to be weighed and considered thoroughly. If this ordinance passes, are you willing to take on the liability of allowing anyone to live in the unit.
5:52:22Thank you. Thank you.
5:52:31Suzy Winokur, followed by David Cordero. Suzy Winokur, followed by David Cordero and Misael Fajardo Perez. Suzy, go ahead.
5:52:36Hi there. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem Penaloza, for your comments at the last meeting. Basically, you said business as usual in Santa Ana. And I know it's difficult to say that amongst your fellow council members, but I heard you loud and clear. So I want to say thank you for saying that. Councilman Becerra, thank you for your level head. Voting on such a sweeping ordinance like this that will, per the register's article, decimate the rental market It shouldn't be made at two in the morning. And thank you, Councilwoman Mendoza, for your level head.
5:52:50I say shame on the others. You had an ad hoc meeting, and the mayor turns to the city attorney and says, did we do this properly? Is this correct? Well, yeah. Yeah, I agree with what the young man said earlier as the attorney who used to live in Santa Ana. It may have been to the letter of the law, but it wasn't the spirit of the law.
5:53:31Basically, you never invited me as a landlord to the party. I was never invited to the table to speak. My husband and I have owned property over 40 45 years in Santa Ana, and we have invested in it. Being a landlord has been tough. I'm sorry, there are a lot of sad stories here. My mother raised two daughters. She worked two jobs. And you know what? My father died. But you know, somehow you work through it. We didn't go to the city. We didn't go for handouts. You just get there and here I am. I've been a good steward of housing, but you know what? Nobody invited me as a landlord to the table. I, you know, I don't disagree
5:54:00with what a lot of the tenants are asking for. It's important to provide good, dignified, safe surroundings, nice housing. Just the other day, I'm driving somewhere. I get a call from my manager, the city inspectors there. I hadn't received a notice. I said, oh, my gosh, I'm so happy you're there. I've been paying six, seven hundred dollars every year to have it inspected. It's never been inspected. I was grateful that he was there. I said, whatever you find, let me know. I'm happy to help. So when all these people are talking about bad landlords, that's not me. And I don't know if you guys have heard from people like me.
5:54:40As far as Covid, I've had one tenant that needed help. And you know what? It was slick as butter getting money from the United Way and from the Cares program. It was great. Also, as a as a landlord, my manager ended up in the hospital for several several about a month. You know what I did when he got out, I continued to pay him and I gave him a Jeep. So you know what all landlords are not bad people. If you listen to all these people that are level headed and they're saying, this is a sweeping issue, get it right, who, who takes a document and approves it without it being complete and detailed and really thought out.
5:55:18So anyhow, don't mess with the market with artificial things. If you're gonna do something, do it right. Bring everybody to the table. We don't want a bad policy. Thank you very much.
5:55:58Thank you. David Cordero followed by Misael Pajardo Perez. Are you Misael or David? Go ahead.
5:56:12Mayor DePorte, I'm Penaloza. Thank you, Council Members. Thank you for being here this late hour, and I wish the other Council Members could be present right now as we get started with these remarks but grateful that we're able to at least share our point of view on this particular topic. My name is David Cordero, the Executive Director with the Apartment Association of Orange County. We represent over 2,000 rental property owners and operators throughout Orange and Riverside counties. Our members collectively own and operate in excess of 100,000 rental units between the two counties.
5:56:25We've existed for the past 60 years as a service to rental housing providers, providing resources and advocating for reasonable policies that will address challenges in our communities that we serve. We have also worked closely with Families Forward, with Orange County United Way and their Welcome MLC program to address homeless issues here in the county of Orange, including here in Santa Ana. And unfortunately, with what is being proposed here in item nine tonight, those are certain programs that could be compromised in our ability to continue to serve a need that is equally important.
5:56:59And that is the homelessness issue that we're dealing with here in Orange County. You've heard a lot tonight from both sides of this issue. And I think what it's underscored is the fact that there's a lot of differing points of view on rent affordability, the manner in which evictions are being done here in Santa Ana, the causes for it, things that may be legal, things that may be illegal.
5:57:37So we have stood by our position that this process that has brought these ordinances before you tonight for a second reading, the process was not carried out the way that it probably should have been done in the need for good governance and transparency. The decision that you'll be casting today, this morning, could have addressed many of these issues that you've heard up from both sides tonight.
5:58:02How do we just take the time to look at it and examine closely the reasons and do fact checking to verify the situations that so many of the speakers that I have shared with you and be able to then talk with the rental housing community as well to verify and hear their points of view why evictions take place, how the proposals before you tonight are going to be impacting our industry. and we've heard a little bit about it just in the last half hour or so. Our hands are going to be tied with this one-size-fits-all approach to dealing with affordability of rents and evictions here in Santa Ana.
5:58:29And I implore you to give this reconsideration. We recognize there is a need for housing affordability. We realize that there's certainly been instances where evictions maybe have been carried out in a manner which is inconsistent with what the rental housing industry as a whole stands for. what the apartment association of orange kent stands for and advocates with its members we stand for excellence in rental housing and with our membership we provide and and seek to encourage them to follow best practices um i just feel that what is being proposed here
5:59:07is not the solution uh it's a solution but it's not the right fit for santa anna i think the rental housing providers deserve better i believe the renters deserve better with a process that is fully thought out and not rushed in the need to satisfy a situation which may not be as bad as has been portrayed this evening. Thank you, David. Thank you very much
5:59:40for your time. I'm Misael Fajardo Perez, followed by Elizabeth Leguin. Misael Fajardo Perez, followed by Elizabeth Leguin. Mary Jo Barrettic. Mary Jo.
6:00:04Apologies if I mispronounced that. Are you Mary Jo or Elizabeth? Go ahead.
6:00:25All right, you got it right. Yes, good evening, Mayor and City Council members. My name is Mary Jo Beretich, and I'm the Zone Vice President for the Golden State Manufacturers Homeowners League. This is the advocacy for all the mobile home homeowners in the state of California, and it was established in 1962. And we've established the mobile home residency law in 1978, which governs all the laws in regarding mobile home parks.
6:00:33GSMOL, as you can see, has been an advocacy and we've been working hard in the state throughout the whole state, working with the rent stabilization ordinances in cities and counties. And I'd like to thank you all actually for doing your compassion that you had in putting together the draft that you accomplished. And thank you also for your compassion towards the seniors, the veterans and other low-income people who are struggling every day to help pay the rent. They do not deserve to be homeless
6:01:14and lose everything they have worked for for their whole life. There are 106 cities and counties who have passed rent stabilization ordinances in the state. The largest one, of course, is the city of Los Angeles, which is really made up of 280 sub cities. It's humongous. This last two years ago, we helped the Board of Supervisors of Los Angeles County to pass their rent stabilization ordinance at 3% for the unincorporated areas of Los Angeles County. That's a tremendous number of people.
6:01:54And it worked, the supervisors were right on it. Bruce Stanton, our corporate attorney and myself, met with all the heads of the departments of the county and Bruce was on speakerphone, I was there in person. We talked to all the people, answered all the questions. We set up regional meetings throughout the whole area of the unincorporated areas so that it educated the people about what this would be. And it worked out well and it has been working fine.
6:02:32the uh only other c in as you know in orange county that has a rent stabilization ordinance is the city of san juan campastrano and this has been working very successfully all these years haven't heard of any problems anything that we've had that were in issue we brought our corporate attorney down and settled the issue right then and there so it's a uh and the things that we've had excuse me i can say they had los angeles city the latinus county are both on three percent
6:03:10so your uh ordinance sounds even better 80 percent with them uh three percent and what whatever is the lowest very good and this would be help the people stay in their homes keep what they have not have to abandon them to a park owner which has happened in some locations where there is no green stabilization or such as the city of Hines Beach.
6:03:47Thank you, Mary Jo, if you could please wrap up.
6:04:14And thank you so much. And I do hope you say yes on this.
6:04:16Next speaker is Maria Estela Valencia, followed by TK, followed by Trish. Maria Estela Valencia, followed by TK, followed by Trish.
6:04:21Are you Trish Maria TK go ahead good morning Council could be here um I would like to address the issue of the oversight committee for policing as well as the rent control. Those things go hand in hand. When you're looking at just basic human needs, if you don't meet a person's basic human needs, they're going to have a failure to thrive.
6:04:46And the unfortunate thing is that without a way rent control, you're going to have people in poverty. When you have people in poverty, there is going to be a crime. If I have a hungry baby and I don't have food to give, I'm going to find a way to feed my child.
6:05:26For people to say this is going to be detrimental to both sides. It's a farce. It's a farce, and they continue to get away with this for decades. We've heard stories of people tonight to tell their true stories of how their lives have been affected. Me, myself personally, I understand that. Yes, I've been affected too. Just because a person does have data to reflect that, you go and find things to make you sleep better at night to continue your greed. We can't continue to be greedy.
6:05:46Police oversight. Police cannot police themselves. There needs to be more accountability and more transparency. see. Jonathan, condolences to you, your family. We love you. Councilmen, councilwomen, please
6:06:29be encouraged to do the right thing. Listen to your people. Ones that are saying they don't want the rent control they don't even live at the level of the people that actually run this city if each and every one of us decided to take a day off from work no one would be fed
6:06:52you wouldn't have your fast food you wouldn't have your restaurants you wouldn't have your gas stations. You wouldn't have your hospitals clean because we are the ones that are doing all that. At the end of the day, we need to make things where it's more equitable
6:07:18so that people stand a fair chance. And as far as policing goes, they're not trained for mental illness. We need to divert some of those funds to put in two areas that better serve the community where people can live a happy, healthy life. If we're saying that American dreams, American dreams for us, black and brown, a lot of it's been a nightmare.
6:07:41Thank you for your time. Thank you, TK. Trish, followed by Francesca Chaboya,
6:08:09Followed by Paul Julian. Trish. Yes. Good morning. So I am here in support of item 22 on the agenda. I demand that we appoint city council members that see and understand what our community needs to the oversight committee of police. In addition, I request that the power to implement and enforce decisions be extended to these city council members on the appointed committee.
6:08:16The investigations to the incidents handled by the committee needs not only solely be seen by police reports, but also by unbiased observers. This is an important because too many black and brown brothers and sisters fall victim to the excessive force and abuse of power by law enforcement in our community. Then thereafter, those responsible for the harm and death of our community are investigated by their peers. Does a criminal investigate another criminal's charge? No. We have seen this time and time again, and nothing has changed.
6:08:46So I express a strong need for this to be an expedited process, and we cannot wait and stand by while more harmed and murdered in these streets. we demand change now and i want to say to council member hernandez my deepest condolences to you your family and the lopez family we love you
6:09:26thank you francesca shaboya powered by paul julian
6:09:51good evening my name is francesca shaboya and initially i came here to speak on item 22 but But after listening to everyone's stories to hear here today and the language that is being used by a lot of the property owners and property managers, they're talking about that this is not about profit over people. Yet the words that they use is about managing people, about data and about markets crashing. Yet they're not even considering the stories that people are sharing. They're saying, we don't believe you. We need the evidence. How about I tell them the same thing?
6:09:58the fact that they're telling us I've never mistreated anybody. How can I believe you? If you're saying that about our people here, how can we believe you also? So back to item 22. I support that we should address or that we should establish an oversight committee. I believe the city of Santa Ana is actually behind on this issue as admitted by the mayor himself earlier today, especially in the wake of black and brown people asking to stop the over policing of black and brown communities i heard a lot of rhetoric revolving around the success of santa anna pd and taking pride in their service where at the end of the day they failed to
6:10:32serve and protect one week ago so why are we praising their actions this is a reminder that the policing system was created with the intent to over police black brown and people of color so it is not broken it is functioning in the way that it was designed so it is uh we cannot
6:11:10I want to emphasize the importance of the establishment of this committee and the importance of a police oversight mechanism that has the ability to truly function in a way that benefits our communities, meaning that this oversight mechanism has to have real power. We don't want a committee for show we want to come to the committee for show we want to come to the committee for show.
6:11:41committee for change. I hope you hear the perspective of the people who ask for real oversight over the police and more. I also just want to add that I do stand in solidarity with the community members who support rent control. And I urge the council members to think about their stories as they are sharing their own experiences, and to not just push them aside as many other people here have tried to do that don't even live in these communities.
6:12:00For the person who said that we need you, no we don't. Brown people did not ask to be taken over. Brown people did not ask for their land to be stolen. Black people did not ask to be enslaved. So to come here and say that we need you, it just makes my blood boil. So I just ask that when we think about this, when we talk about this, this is not about profits. It's about people trying to survive. And all of these people here are talking about data and management and markets crashing and whining about Newport. No, this is Santa Ana. And the people that run this city are asking you to help them. So that's what I ask.
6:12:29Paul Julian, followed by Richard Julian, followed by Juan Carvajal. Are you Paul or Richard? Paul or Richard?
6:13:10This is Paul. Go ahead, Paul. Hi, this is Paul Julian. I'm speaking to you tonight as actually a student, a student of the Graduate School of USC Public Policy. At USC and at all the other public policy schools in the nation, rec control is a core piece of the curriculum. It's been studied at Harvard, Yale, MIT, Berkeley, every other university and every economist has looked at it. And in every instance, it has failed. You've heard that tonight many times. It's a failed policy and I'm not here to debate whether there is strife and there's problems.
6:13:20We've seen there is. We all see it. We're just debating tonight whether or not rent control is the way to fix it. And that's it's the wrong tool. It's like taking a sledgehammer into a surgery. It's not the right tool to fix these problems that are out there. Case in point, Santa Monica was brought up many times tonight. And it kind of baffles me that that's brought up as something that's lauded because Santa Monica is one of the most expensive places in the entire nation to live. The rent in Santa Monica is three times what it is here in Santa Ana. So how is Santa Monica what we're looking at as a model?
6:13:57If you look at Dr. Richard Green, who's the head and the chair of the USC Lust Center, he's the foremost authority on rent control. He talks about natural progression. In Santa Monica, people don't leave their apartments. They never get released back into the community where people of need can actually come in and use them. They stay in them. So there's not a progression from, say, Class C property to Class B property as you get economic stability. So you're not going to have a property. Therefore you never make it up to class A property. If that national progression doesn't occur, developers can't come in and produce new product.
6:14:31When a developer doesn't produce new product, you even have more of a supply constrained market. This exacerbates the problem. This makes rent control a terrible solution. It's not a solution to the problem. So I guess I'm just asking you tonight, look at the facts, look at the data, look at every economist and look at every university that's done a study on this. Rent control has never worked and it won't work. Let's find the right tool to fix these problems. Thank you. Thank you. Richard
6:15:06Julian followed by Juan Carvajal followed by Chip Ashweed. You Richard Julian? Yes, I'm Richard
6:15:35Thank you. I'm not going to waste your time reading the email that I sent all of you. Hopefully you saw it and you're able to look at that data. It's accurate data. I know we heard someone just a little earlier talking about data isn't important to people, but data is important. You're making a big decision here and it needs to be based on real data. I'm with Advanced management company you heard a few of our other people here and you heard about our 1600 units i want to make that we manage i want to make sure you know which ones they are again uh california
6:15:47palms uh which we took over in 1987 was a daily stay weekly stay actually it was an hourly stay hotel it had nothing but crime it was a problem and we invested in that property turned it around it's a wonderful property today with very happy residents in it uh villanelle sold 562 units when we took it over i understood that 30 of the police calls were for that property alone within the city it's been turned around tremendously mayor samiento was kind enough and came there i think you'll agree with me mayor it's a wonderful place to live and the people are happy there we
6:16:22We have Artist Village. We took that over in 2009. Lots of problems. I agree there are still problems with Birds Park behind there. You'll see beer cans and syringes and needles. But we have a lot of security there to control that and to keep it as a very fine property. Another one of our properties was you heard someone earlier talk about Washington Place, the 60 units that we turned around. we invested a lot of money in there just recently the solari apartments in november we took over we're now it's now called river house we invested a lot of money and they're
6:17:02wonderful properties now if you put rent control in i guarantee you you know no one's going to invest in this city and take you have plenty of properties within the city of santa ana that are rundown and problems who's going to invest to turn those around like we did these 1600 units. I'd also like to point out that I haven't heard anybody step up and complain about any of our properties tonight. I haven't heard any rent control calls from the 1600 units that we have. That's data. You can come down and we'll give you all the data you want on how much the rent
6:17:40increases are, how much expenses have increased far more than CPI. Insurance has tripled. You will not be able to run these properties and you're going to see blight if you put the the Rent-to-Control Ordinance in. Take your time, let us work with you and give you real data and help with it. Thank you very much.
6:18:14Thank you. Juan Carvajal followed by Chip Ashweed, followed by Michael Brown. Juan Carvajal followed by Chip Ashweed, followed by Michael Brown.
6:18:33Chip?
6:18:51Yep.
6:18:52Go ahead.
6:18:53Thank you very much. First off, I'd like to express my condolences, Councilman Hernandez, to you, to your family, of course, to the Lopez family. It's a tragedy none of us wanted to have, and I commend you for being able to be here and be strong for your community in a time like this. So thank you. And also thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. My name is Chip Allsweet. I represent the Department Association of Orange County. And And you know, a lot of things have been said tonight and in previous discussions, asking about who some of these people are.
6:18:57Well, I went to school here in Santa Ana, got the opportunity to work for members of Congress, went back to Washington, DC, and got to return here to work on an issue here in Santa Ana. And one of the things that I learned working for Congress was one of the strangest things I'd ever had said to me after studying political science and all that for life. the uh the parliamentarian brought us all in as we started and asked us what the purpose of the legislature was and a lot of us sheepishly responded with to pass good laws and she looked at us all and said no you guys would have failed my class had i taught a class at your university
6:19:31because the purpose of the legislative body which a city council is is to prevent bad laws from getting passed now you've heard several people tonight discuss how economists uh the the price school uh stanford university all these universities have studied this and have found failures and those are failures that are really ones to consider should also consider the fact that every place that's been implemented it's either had to be uh subsidized managed on a massive level or repealed altogether. Somebody mentioned five of the top six communities have it. The sixth one
6:20:10is rent control in New York, which looks like nothing we've seen here. And there's also Washington, D.C., where rent control exists, provided you're paying less than $25,000 a month. I believe most people in Santa Ana would fit in that category. Rent control is a failure not just because of what it does, but what it does to the community as people intended here. Here we have a process where when this was brought through, the landlords, the property owners, those experts in housing policy weren't brought into the discussion. In the discussion that we had two weeks ago, a number of us, myself included, brought up
6:20:46how there were failures and challenges between this proposal and existing state law, as well as previous laws that have been passed in this arena. There were some last minute amendments to the initiative that were kind of rushed through roughly this time two weeks ago. And still no discussion between the parties involved. Had we had the opportunity to sit down and discuss these things, those could have been avoided. These problems could have been resolved. We could have identified issues and problems where it conflicts with all the other studies and shown a way to find solutions. Like was mentioned, the right tool for Santa Ana.
6:21:22property owners don't want to evict anyone property owners don't want to raise rents they want to provide that housing that makes a good community putting implementations and processes like this that you're talking about tonight it's not going to do that it's going to create the exact opposite effect we want a solution we want the opportunity to sit down we hope you guys will take this opportunity to really think through can we sit down and come up with a better solution together because that's what good government does they stop bad laws from
6:22:04getting passed and find good laws to pass. Thank you very much. Michael Brown followed by Greg O'Hagan
6:22:32followed by Eva Rillay. Are you Michael? Yes, Michael Brown. Thank you. In the state of California,
6:22:40as you already know, we have rent control. We also have just cause evictions already in place. And I don't disagree that we need to have controls to some degree on rents and for evictions. It's important. We need to protect people. But we have that in place. This particular measure will put a stranglehold on the income side of the equation. And I'll tell you, when you talk about putting a model like Santa Monica in place, it was talked about earlier, but I did some research just while we were sitting here and actually looked at the average rents in Santa Monica day.
6:22:49The studios are $2,745. One bedrooms are $3,536. Two bedrooms are $4,909. And three bedrooms are $6,117. When you limit the supply because people won't go in and people don't move from their apartments, this is what happens to those rents, which will be absolutely opposite of what you're looking for. I'll tell you right now, we are on the expense side of the equation, which really hasn't been talked about, is we are at the very precipice if not fully engulfed in inflation. I did a lot of research and I want to share some of that for you. The Federal Reserve uses a preferred gauge in
6:23:28inflation. They said right now in August it is the quickest rise in 30 years time. Inflation that they use the measure is the personal consumption expenditure index rose 4.3%. This is huge. If you look at the Y charts, which is someone that tracks the changes in gasoline prices in California from September 2021 over 2020, they rose $1.14 a gallon, which is 36%. You look at the Department of Labor statistics for Orange County, Los Angeles. They confirm 4% growth has been compared August 21 to August 20.
6:24:06Yet our rents that I'm from advanced management. Our rents in our 1,600 unit portfolio have risen 0.32% in that time. We're happy to share those results show our financial statements. This is raw facts. Our own expenses, though, have gone well above CPI. Since 2017, our insurance expenses have gone up 86%. That's an average of 21.5% per year. This is a fact. Our payroll has gone up 17.7%, and it's rising because you can't find anybody anymore without paying much more than you had to do in the past. That's fine, but you have to be able to raise rents to meet that.
6:24:45utilities have gone up 14.7%. When we have the statistics are showing that 25 to 35% of the people now will forever be working from home. So what does that mean? Greater wear and tear. We have more needs for our courtesy or security patrols because more activity happens when people are in close proximity. They get mad at each other. There's noise. There's always something going on. We have wear and tear on our fixtures. We have vandalism. catalytic converters are at an all-time high being stolen so when you look at the math you strangle hold the income but you can't do anything about expenses we're stuck no one's standing out
6:25:25in front of ralph's saying hey my food prices are going up we need to do something about ralph's or in front of state farm offices or in front of front of their health care offices kaiser permanente well all i can tell you is that our pool services for all of the amenities that we provide are going up 100 next year so what do we start to do do we close down our services do we take away the playgrounds because we can't keep them up we have a reading room if you could wrap up please bottom line is we're not going to be able to maintain our properties in the way we have so people are going
6:26:03to lose amenities so at the end of the day we need to think about this we need to collaborate so i would ask you please reconsider this thank you thank you michael greg greg o'hagan followed by
6:26:33Evo Relay, followed by Jairo Cortes.
6:26:43First off, Council Member Hernandez, our deepest condolences and to your family. And we appreciate you being here in a tough time. My name is Greg O'Hagan. I'm with Rutherford. We own and operate 3,500 spaces, manufactured housing. I've got something just really simple for the council and the mayor. I would just like you to answer a question during your final comments. Your ordinance, the proposed ordinance calls for increases in rent of 80% of CPI.
6:26:49As the gentleman just mentioned previous expenses we all know go up way beyond CPI, but let's just say that they go up CPI. Therefore, our revenue for the park is 80% of CPI. It's sub-inflationary. Here's my question. Would you recommend to your city staff that the city of Santa Ana run their budget with the revenue of only 80% of your expenses? And I like that answer because you're asking us as park owners to run our parks at 80% revenue and 100% CPI expenses.
6:27:28So please answer that question during your final comments. And that's all I'd like to hear from you. Thank you.
6:28:09Thank you, Greg. Eva Raleigh followed by Jairo Cortes followed by Bulmaro Vicente. Eva?
6:28:15Yes.
6:28:25Go ahead.
6:28:25My name is thank you, honorable mayor and council members. And again, my condolences, Council member Hernandez. It's can't even think about it, but I just like to say, first of all, it's important for you, council members and our residents to understand that we operate and sustain many of the same services in the city in our parks as the city of Santa Santa Santa Ana provides and the costs provide those services and facilities continue to increase every year, just like the other two right in front of me have discussed.
6:28:27We maintain a community center, swimming pools, spas, lake, landscaping, reseeding, tree trimming, streets and walkways, drainage systems, lighting systems. Plus, we maintain electric, gas and sewer systems to each of our homeowners. We maintain the infrastructure underneath the streets. We maintain those streets. So every time there's something that's going on there and we have to fix that, we're fixing the streets again too. Those are costs that are, you know, over and above what we're looking at on a regular basis. All these continue to rise and often at rates considerably above the consumer price index.
6:29:02We, like you, must continue to protect the future of the property improvements and the quality of life for our residents with the same high quality maintenance measures and policies that have been made by lake park santa in lake park santa anna and lake park santa anna north those are our two properties we have in ward one and ward three and um we think they're pretty desirable communities to live in and we're trying to keep them that way and we're just asking for your help you know because this measure please oppose this measure it will really hurt all of us but i'd also like to just address something really
6:29:40quickly we do have compassion and we do hear the stories and it doesn't just set but many times i've listened over the last two meetings and they've said we don't know that we don't have any idea you guys don't know me they don't know me i'm a single mother of two i'm 62 years old now i went paycheck to paycheck i couldn't feed my kids i worked and then i went to school at night to be where I am today and everyone can do that but the thing is I can put it up on someone else to take care of my kids it's on me and I'm not saying that anyone else is either but it's just
6:30:14something to look at um and I and on a closing note it's I just want to thank the police officers I've heard a lot of grief tonight for you guys too thank you for everything you do for getting up in the morning putting that uniform on and saying goodbye to your families when you leave
6:30:56to come out and protect us thank you hiro cortes followed by bulmaro vicente followed by hector
6:31:12uh good evening mr mayor and members of the council i'm hiro cortez executive director at chispa i'd like to begin tonight by extending my deepest condolences to brandon lopez's family his parents his children and all of his extended family including councilman Hernandez, who is sitting among you tonight after what I can only imagine must feel like an eternal and hellish week. In a just world, we wouldn't need to extend condolences to the Lopez family. In a just world, Brandon would be with them tonight, having dinner, trading stories, or
6:31:20listening to hip-hop the way he loved to do. But experience and reality tells us that we live in an unjust world, and the most we can do is seek accountability and whatever semblance of justice that may bring about tonight the tragic irony is not lost lost on us that this council is about to take the first and most substantial step it has ever taken towards creating a police oversight board and for the purposes of time i'd like to speak to that we commend you in taking this step and urge this entire council to commit to enacting a model of police oversight that has independence, that has investigatory authority,
6:32:01that can ensure accountability and play a role in officer discipline, that can audit existing policies and recommend new ones, and that has the necessary funding to carry out effective oversight and accountability over the police department. Lastly, as a Santana resident and homeowner i want to voice my support for the rent control and just cost evictions ordinance you will be voting on tonight until four months ago when i took the risk and used up all my savings i put away since i got my first job sanding paint off of cars in huntington beach to buy a condominium
6:32:40i shared a small place with five other people before that my family had a mobile home we had to sell because we just couldn't keep up with the pace of rent increases for the lot something Team Councilmember Fan shared two weeks ago sounded familiar to me. My mortgage and HOA together add up to the price of rent I saw for most one-bedroom apartments. In December, I have a decrease to my HOA costs that I can look forward to. Later on, I'll be able to subtract the cost of my mortgage insurance, and in a few years, I should be able to refinance and bring my monthly costs further down.
6:33:18This is a form of peace of mind and security renters simply do not have and that I didn't have until now. Under this ordinance, landlords will still be able to turn a profit. They'll still be able to make modest rent increases even as they refinance their own loans, even as their monthly payments go down. All people are asking for is for a level playing field, and that's what this ordinance does. And together, both of these actions are gonna do more for public safety and for improving the mental health of Santana residents than mostly anything that this council has the power to do. And so with that, I thank you for the actions
6:33:56that you're about to take.
6:34:38And I wish you all the best. Thank you.
6:34:41Pulmaro Vicente followed by Hector Bustos followed by Penelope Lopez.
6:34:45Hi, my name is a boomer on the mother of the center, although people come boomer. I'm a lifelong resident of Santa Ana word for I'm also the policy director for chiefs. First and foremost, I want to give my condolences to Councilmember Hernandez, and the family of Brandon Lopez for the tragic loss. Brandon is life mattered. He was a father of four, a son, a brother, and he should still be here today. Brandon was the second Latino man to be killed by police in Orange County within the last week of September. Ronnie Andrew Garcia was shot and killed in broad daylight by Huntington Beach Police
6:34:53Department just last Saturday. Last year in 2020, police killed 1,127 people. There were only 18 days last year in which police didn't kill anyone. 18 days. George Floyd from Minneapolis, list. Hector Hernandez from Fullerton, David Sullivan from one apart. These killings are all hit close to home. And we need to ensure that we prevent such tragedies to occur in the city. Being the second city to possibly implement police oversight comes with an advantage. Santana should learn from different models in Orange County, which is only one in Anaheim, which has been critiqued by community members and
6:35:26legal professionals as being too weak to address the deep systemic issues in the police department. We need oversight with teeth, not just one that's gonna continue to rubber stamp police violence and police brutality in our city. One that has independent investigatory authority to review complaints and incidents. The board must also be empowered to conduct independent investigations into complaints and incidents that are of importance to the community, including police shootings and all deadly force. It should have the power to audit,
6:36:08issue recommendations and set policy to make sure that officers are being compliant to these policies and protocols in place. We need oversight with these powers and abilities that will ensure transparency and accountability for the people of Santana. Lastly, I want to give my support for rent control for today as the council has a second reading. I hope you continue to stand with tenants and renters. The issue of housing and policing are deeply intertwined and connected. We've seen how white property interest and development are tied to policing practices
6:36:40like broken window policing, public housing surveillance, white vigilant white vigilantism, and how carceral systems manage and car street these urban spaces. We need to make sure we implement rent control to allow our residents to thrive in our community without being evicted. And we need to make sure that these areas and these communities aren't being over police. Lastly, I want to give you all recommendation to create a more safer space for members of the council. We don't want to be confronted with like 10 police officers outside. We don't want to be
6:37:16constantly going through this metal detector that was only implemented in like 2013-2014. team. This council, this space should be an opportunity for residents to feel comfortable and addressing these issues like housing and like policing. And that's very difficult for people that have experienced with police violence. When we're when we come and our first interaction is like with 10 officers outside that have been recording us as well. I have taken pictures of these officers that have been recording people outside that have been chanting that are here just being people and just you know being here with the city.
6:37:52thank you hector bustos followed by penelope lopez followed by maria andrade
6:38:27hi folks my name is hector bustos and i'm here with chispa first and foremost i too want to offer my condolences to councilmember hernandez and the lopez family
6:38:37i didn't know brandon lopez i didn't need to him. I don't need to know what he did leading up to Tuesday night. I don't need to know any of these things because I know that the ways that things were handled and the ways that things were unfolded were unjust. I didn't need to know any of these things about Brandon because I know that he didn't deserve to die at the hands of police.
6:38:50So I'm here to talk to you about the importance of establishing a police oversight board here in Santana. We have a police department that controls a large majority of this city budget, yet we have no process or system in place to hold these officers accountable. It makes zero sense to me. We are literally funneling millions of dollars into this police department, and we don't have an accountability system. What does that say about our city?
6:39:25We need to ensure that this police oversight board ensures accountability and has a say in officer discipline. It's no secret that the offices in our department, some of them are repeated offenders, have abused their power.
6:40:03There's a culture of impunity in the Santa Ana Police Department and the Anaheim Police Department. Both departments have histories of abusive and corrupt police officers who use excessive force and kill our community members.
6:40:24Anaheim PD is primarily responsible for the death of Brandon Lopez, because they pulled the trigger, not once but multiple times. But at the same time, the Santa Ana Police Department is just as responsible. They think that they can wash their hands clean of this. Well, no, it's not that simple. The Santa Ana Police Department was complicit in the killing of Brandon. And we will never forget that. And that's why we need a system in place to hold officers accountable. Because we know that this won't be the last time, unfortunately.
6:40:47until we have a system in place that is able to hold these officers accountable. So I'm glad that you're taking action to establish this ad hoc committee, but let's get it rolling. And this argument about business as usual, no, this isn't business as usual. Business as usual is ignoring our community members. That's business as usual. What I see here today and what I've seen is bold.
6:41:27policy that will advance the well-being of our community. So no, that's not business as usual. What we see as business as usual are the council members that are voting no on rent control, that don't want to establish a strong police oversight board. That's business as usual. Thank you.
6:41:58Penelope Lopez, followed by Maria Andrade, followed by Marcela Rosas. Penelope. López Maria Andrade Marcela Rosas,
6:42:18Coach Bo Kojma and Coach Tanya Fan,
6:42:33Kayvon Castellanos, Kayvon Castellanos,
6:42:45Eagaly, Eagaly are you here?
6:42:56Jaylene Flores or Jaylen? Jaylen Flores?
6:43:03Michael Cardoso?
6:43:15Madam Clerk, that is it for in-person comments. Are there any members of the public that wish to
6:43:23address us via Zoom? Yes, thank you, Mayor Potempoñolosa. And I did want to mention the fact that some of the names that you did call out tonight on the speakers list looks like they He joined us by Zoom.
6:43:29And with that, we also received written communication, one non-Sanay, I'm sorry, one non-agenda item from a Santa Ana resident commented on the killing of Brandon Lopez by Anaheim PD. Item nine, there was 74 Santa Ana residents or organizations in support for residency not disclosed. in opposition with 69 sienna anna resident organization or property owners nine more non-sienna anna residents 15 residency were not disclosed item 16 the facility reservation policy
6:43:44there were 51 sienna anna residents in support two non-sienna anna residents who are in support. Item 21, resolution adding the extra help classification on the homeless service division manager position. One Santa Ana resident in support and one residency not disclosed.
6:44:22And that is all for the written communication. And with that, Zoom ID Rosa Ramirez, if you would please select.
6:44:47Oh.
6:44:58Rosa Ramirez, you have to update your Zoom in order for you to be heard. So you could disconnect and try to get back in, but I cannot unmute you.
6:45:01Caller with the last three numbers, 1-0-0. If you would please select star six to unmute your call or select the microphone icon.
6:45:16Thank you. You have three minutes. Good evening, Mayor and City Council. My name is Jennifer Rojas, and I am the Senior Policy Advocate and Organizer with the ACLU of Southern California based in Orange County. When a member of the community is suddenly and tragically killed by law enforcement, the entire community is impacted. I'm speaking today in support of and behind the family of Brandon Lopez. Brandon Lopez should be with his family today. As the city knows, the California legislature
6:45:30passed Assembly Bill 748 in 2018 because families impacted by police violence and the public at large have a right to know what happened when the police kill someone.
6:46:08Under AB 748, California law enforcement agencies must release body camera footage and audio recordings within 45 days of a police shooting. The killing of Brandon Lopez by Anaheim Police Department is of great public interest as dozens of community members have attended vigils hosted by the Lopez family. We urge the City of Santa Ana to make the body camera footage of all Santa Ana Police Department officers involved in the shooting available to the public. It's notable that the killing of Brandon Lopez was not the first out of jurisdiction shooting by the Anaheim Police Department.
6:46:22Since 2003, Anaheim Police Department has killed three people outside of Anaheim city limits. I want to speak on the importance of meaningful and effective civilian oversight and why the killing of Brandon Lopez is another clear example as to why oversight is the minimum policy action that the City Council must take. Anaheim currently has a civilian police review board that includes an external auditor, the auditor being the Office of Independent Review. In 2015, the OIR recommended that the Anaheim Police Department develop a policy to require
6:47:05notification and approval from out-of-jurisdiction police departments before Anaheim police officers conduct operations outside of the city of Anaheim. The Anaheim Police Department chief at that time refused this recommendation. Anaheim PD determined that pre-notification and approval to conduct operations in outside cities is impractical. There have been several critical recommendations made by the Office of Independent Review that have been dismissed and denied by the Anaheim Chief of Police.
6:47:46When the department refuses a recommendation, the discussion ends there. 15 seconds left. and the consequences of an action are widely felt. The killing of Brandon Lopez is a clear example as to why any civilian oversight model in Santa Ana must have powers that go well beyond Anaheim's model. It is also another clear example as to why the city must divert mental health calls and wellness checks to trauma-informed community organizations. Thank you. Your time is up.
6:48:26Thank you.
6:48:58Zoom ID Jose Gloria, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device.
6:49:02Zoom ID Jose, thank you. You may proceed with your comment.
6:49:16Yes, thank you. Good evening, Mayor and Council. I just want to start by giving my condolences for the family of Brandon and to the Council Member Hernandez and to all those that experienced that scene and will forever deal with that trauma of death by publicly funding firing squad. As was said by the Mayor, the Council majority voted for policy that should have prevented Brandon's murder, but sadly was too late. So much more to say, but I'll just say I'm heartbroken, outrage and demand justice. Let me say paternalism and bootstrap rhetoric doesn't help your cause
6:49:21to those against rent control. It just further exposes your antiquated plantation mentality. We get it. Y'all are good white folks. Now next, let me address the apocalyptic scare tactics. Again, hyperbole doesn't help. The world will not end with rent control. Corporations and Jeff Bezos won't save us. These are the same people that just spent hundreds of millions of dollars to spread misinformation about repealing cause to Hawkins twice in California while claiming to care by your tenants. Most of you don't give a damn. Indeed, economic carpet bombing is what's happening in our communities because of recent COVID pandemic
6:49:50and because of decades-long abuse of a system created by landlords for landlords that disbalances the level of rights that gives too many rights to them. So if anyone should get paid for losses, it should be the community. Call this ordinance restitution because of the racist laws like redlining and other policies that decimate our communities. all while greatly benefiting mostly white people at the expense of others, despite them sending brown faces to do their bidding tonight. And to the woman who said that mobile home tenants pay $800 for the spaces, good job leaving out that many also pay for the mobile home they bought.
6:50:23Developers and landowners have shown that they care about their bottom line, which also comes at the expense of the rest. Protecting the free market in the renter market is like protecting job creators and trickle-down economics. It doesn't work. Even when rec control, we are and will remain a gem in the heart of OC, a beacon of hope for working families because of our working families, many of which are recent immigrants. My people work in these rich folks' factories, care for their children and elderly, and work in their fields. It really boils down to priorities and
6:50:55political ambitions, and lobbyists speak louder and in dollar signs. For the Democrats who do not stand with OC Democratic Party priorities when voting against this, I know you'll be begging for an endorsement later. One or two will run for mayor or for re-election in November. To be clear, Dear Peñalosa, business as usual means being a puppet for the landlords and developers. It means the police get all the money they want and no police reform. So spare me your sacrimony. You Becerra and Mendoza are banking for the support from the landlords, developers, and that the community will forget.
6:51:24But I hope it's been left quite clear that we will not. But let's talk insults and threats, because that may not come from individuals in business suits here at the chamber. They'll come from secretive PACs. the landlord associations, realtors, developers, and POA are scheming as we speak to undo the good work of this council with recalls and future puppet politicians. 15 seconds left. So, you know, I mentioned a lot of things last week, but today is a historic day. And if we pass rent control, and I want to thank Councilwoman Ty Viet Pham for putting in countless hours and for learning about this.
6:51:54And thanks to Councilmember Lopez, Hernandez, and Mayor Sarmiento who ran on rent control. But as I meant to say last week, not only the ones that voted for this will have a bullseye on their backs, but also the renters on of Santa Ana will have one because of your time away with it, then other cities might replicate it. So thank you very much. God willing, we'll be able to do this here and in other cities. Thank you. Thank you.
6:52:26Zoom ID Kaylee LeVette, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device. Thank you. You may proceed with your comment.
6:52:51Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Great. Hello, everyone. And I just wanted to use my time tonight to, one, talk about the connection between police brutality and housing injustice, which Councilmember Hernandez eloquently spoke to during the last city council meeting.
6:52:58And I am devastated to hear about this brutal murder. And I'm also hopeful to hear about the changes and the way that council members have spoke about what needs to be done. And I want to echo what was said about the generations of violence that have come before the city council and that what I have seen from this new city council is not business as usual. during the deadliest pandemic in human history.
6:53:24I see, I have seen city council members take a bold stand on, on the side of renters and working to undo the systems of violence. And I am very thankful for this as a volunteer for tenants United Santana. I have seen actually resident while doing tenant counseling for residents at Via Del Sol, which one of the managers said they had no issues and it was a great place to live. I just wanted to share a story from tenant counseling there where a resident during this
6:54:02pandemic was receiving all of their notifications in English about being evicted due to non-payment of rent and she actually didn't know that she was being evicted because it was all happening in English. So that is an example of how AB 1482, the state law fails to suit Santa Ana renters who are largely need those barriers around language justice to be considered.
6:54:41And so that's just one small example from Villa del Sol and other renters as well who I worked with there who were unable to pay for health, things related to their health because of the cost of rent. And so I just want to speak to we have an opportunity to make great change for the material conditions of residents of Santana. And I am honored to be a part of this community and and hopefully be a part of this change as we roll this out. 15 seconds left.
6:55:15Last thing I'll mention in response to the opposition, we need a rent freeze in the meantime, while the rollout of the law is considered to protect the most vulnerable. Thank you.
6:55:53Thank you. Zoom ID, Brian Peraza, if you would please select the microphone icon. Thank you. You may proceed with your comment. Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we could hear you.
6:56:05All right. Buenos dias. My name is Brian Peraza. First of all, I'd like to share my condolences with Councilmember Hernandez and the rest of the family of Brandon Lopez. I'm very sorry to hear about what happened. And I sit in solidarity with folks who are demanding more police oversight. It is absolutely necessary. So I also would like to speak in favor of the rent control ordinance. I ask that you please take into consideration the needs of residents actively living in Santana. We are not asking for much or free handouts.
6:56:16We simply ask that our humanity is respected and there be avenues in place for us to live more fulfilling and dignified lives. Stable and affordable housing is essential for our students to be able to focus in school. Stable and affordable housing is essential for workers to rest after a long day at work. Stable and affordable housing is essential for our community to prosper and have peace of mind. Stable and affordable housing is essential for our elderly community members to live peacefully. Stable and affordable housing is essential for the reduction of criminality.
6:56:48Stable and affordable housing is essential. Housing is a human right. It is not a commodity, and we should start treating it as such. So please support the rent stabilization ordinance, and please enact rent freeze so our folks could get some help in the meantime. Gracias. Thank you.
6:57:22Thank you. Zoom ID Jenna Perez, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device to unmute your call. Thank you. You may proceed with your comment.
6:57:41Hello, Council members. My name is Jenna Perez. I'm here to express my support of the rent control ordinance. I would like to begin my comment by offering my sincerest and deepest condolences to the family of our community member Brandon Lopez, who was taken from us unjustly. May he rest in power. My family have been Santana residents in Ward 1 for over 50 years. My mom still lives in the neighborhood she was raised in as a child. This is a story of many Santana residents who were born and raised here or have lived here for years, built their roots and community here, and started families here.
6:57:52These are residents who invest in this city and give so much back to this community. They deserve stable housing. They deserve more than to be pushed out of the community they have known as home for decades and generations. Santaneros deserve more than to be one missed paycheck or one rent increase away from homelessness and displacement. Council members who voted no on this ordinance have argued that the city does not have the funding to oversee the implementation of this ordinance. I would like to point out that the Santana Police Department has a budget of $143 million.
6:58:22How is it that the city has millions in funding to criminalize and surveil community members, but not the funds to secure their housing stability? building safer communities begins with meeting people's basic needs and their human rights to safety and housing this issue hits close to home tonight and no one should have to live through the trauma of losing a loved one at the hands of police if we invest in legislation for affordable housing mental health support and community programs we would not need a militarized and expensive police force another argument council members noted against this ordinance was that
6:58:51they do not see the urgency or the need i would like to point out that here in santana the share renters that are severely cost burdened was 58 in 2019 this has been urgent this is not anything new covet has only exacerbated this issue rental assistance programs are great but they are a band-aid solution that do not address the structural housing crisis we are trying to survive under there are over 6 000 unhoused people in santana and many more facing housing insecurity what could be more urgent than that another issue raised was concerns about not knowing the long-term effects
6:59:21of this ordinance i would like to point out that we also don't know the long-term effects of an unprecedented pandemic we have faced unprecedented loss of income thousands of deaths of loved ones labor shortages low wages unsafe working conditions we shouldn't have to wait for more folks to be displaced evicted and traumatized to act the time to act is now the voices of the opposition during public comments clearly demonstrate that a vote against this rent control ordinance is a vote in favor of the interests of landlords and developers who are
6:59:54not from the city have no real stake in the city beyond their bottom line and profit i'm honestly shocked at the comments of landlords here attempting to gaslight and diminish the lived experiences of the advocates here who have bravely shared their stories we are not misled or misguided we are not making these experiences up to say that clearly represents their detachment from the reality of working class people in this country and the tenants they claim to serve i urge you to vote in favor of the rent control ordinance and to be on the right side of history Thank you for your time.
7:00:20Thank you. Zoom ID, Daisy, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device to unmute your call. Thank you. You may proceed with your comment.
7:00:49Hi, thank you. Can you hear me?
7:01:02Yes, we could hear you.
7:01:04Great, thank you. Good evening, Mayor, City Council members, and the tenants community of Santa Ana. My name is Daisy and I'm with the Kennedy Commission and here in support of rent control with the residents of Santana. The city of Santana is a renter majority city and many have been and continue to struggle with remaining housed. I can sit here and tell you numbers but you've heard them all before and data never supersedes the people's lived experiences. You've heard so many stories here today. You know families are self-evicting and you know landlords are illegally evicting families,
7:01:06threatening families and assaulting them too. Listen to the stories of the community and many that go unheard because families are working multiple shifts to stay housed and are unable to be there. Santana is the beautiful city that it is because of the people that live there and work there, grew up there, create art, create systems of care, and create joy even while struggling. It's not surprising that community members are mentioning rent hikes from landlords today and in the last few weeks since the ordinance introduction. This really is about protecting
7:01:44tenants from predatory rent hikes. We urge you to support rent control. And my deepest condolences to Jonathan Hernandez and the Lopez family for the murder of Brendan Lopez. I'm truly sorry, and to those affected by the carceral state every single day. The over-policing and hyper-vigilance of our Black and Indigenous communities is not new. It is by design. An oversight committee is necessary, as well as this investment. Invest in mental health services, invest in housing, invest in youth, invest in the community. More money to the police has never decreased crime. Thank you. Thank you.
7:02:18caller with the last three numbers 634 if you would please select the microphone icon on your device or select star six from your phone
7:02:58caller with the last three numbers 634 if you would please select star six from your phone or the microphone icon on your device okay are you listening
7:03:15Yes. Yes. Okay. Good morning. Good morning, council members. Good morning, everybody. My name is Pedro Correa and my wife is Evelyn Correa. We are residents of Valley High Mobile Home for Seniors in Santa Ana. Two years ago, we were asking the City Council of Santa Ana for help. Back then, we had another president of the United States and another council of Santa Ana. Two years later, we have a different president of the United States and a different council of Santa Ana.
7:03:28Today our council member for the Ward 6 is Nelida Mendoza, and our request for help is still the same. We are hopeful this time our request is heard. We do not ask for free rent. When I was working in the industry of manufacturing for 20 years, I never had an increase in my salary for 2% or 3%. My employer usually said that it was impossible for them to give me that increase. I never got it.
7:04:08My rent was increased more than that. I feel my social security back in May and my wife needed back surgery.
7:04:47Me and my wife are not going to have an increase in social security anytime soon. Now we pay taxes and insurance for the mobile home. for trash, for sewer, for electricity, gas, and water. They can increase that as well. We are not millionaires asking for help with lawyers, with assistance, with representatives, with administrative assistance. We are the old and poor people asking for help not to be abused.
7:04:59We are asking for an increase of 3% in rent and a stabilization of rent in Santa Ana. In Spanish, we say hope dies last. We hope this time our voices are heard. Thank you so much.
7:05:40Thank you. Zoom ID Manny Escamilla, if you would please select the microphone icon.
7:05:59Okay, are you able to hear me?
7:06:08Yes, we can hear you. Thank you.
7:06:10Thank you. Okay. Yeah, just to start off with the sincere condolences to the Lopez family, Council Member Hernandez, you know, I guess what makes this situation, I guess, such a sad part of, I guess, everything that happens around here is that, you know, this is not the first time that we've had police shootings in the city and it's not, you know, unfortunately it's, I'm hoping it's the last, but you know, I can't even say that. There's so many of us that have grown up here, um, that have lived through the trauma of police shootings and having a militarized force in our communities and growing up with, um, you know, SWAT teams
7:06:12coming into our homes. And that is part of the lived reality that we all face. And it's a different Santa Ana because we now have representatives that know that experience and are actually able to participate in public policy. So thank you for that representation there.
7:06:51And moving on to one of the other policy items, I think it's still part of that same systemic inequity that's really built into our country and our society. It's like the easy battles of civil rights, where we know that it's bad to discriminate against race, color, creed, and religion. The systems of control and discrimination have been a little bit more subtle now. They're embedded in systems of ownership, ways that money moves from low paid workers that have their rents increased, that then subsidize the economies of wealthy beach cities. That's what we're looking to dismantle here,
7:07:10at least partially to say that the folks that are renters here deserve the same stability that middle-class homeowners deserve when it comes to property or team protections. In fact, if you look at the owners of these properties, the most common year of property tax assessment is 1975. These folks have benefited from government intervention in Prop 13, and it basically had their base tax rate set from 1975. And there's been a major economic windfall there. And I'm sure that's helped kind of lower some rent sometimes. But that is the reality of the economic systems that we have that favor certain groups over another.
7:07:51and this is you know just something we can do for basic fairness um i did want to point out that both war or boards two four and six so all the ones that are for election next year did in fact support prop 21 in the 2020 election so for those that are at least considering their political futures uh do take that as a numerical uh data point that awards two four and six were in fact supportive of Prop 21. And I really do doubt, like when people are kind of quoting economists, that anyone's actually read Lissar Lindbeck's 1972 work of the political economy of the new left. If anyone has, you know, I'd love to discuss that with you,
7:08:27but I don't think that anyone's actually read that work. So-15 seconds left. Oh man, so much more to say, but I just want to give the rest of my time for the memory of Brandon. So please allow those 15 seconds for Brandon.
7:09:05Thank you. Zoom ID Penelope Lopez, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device. Thank you. You may proceed with your comment.
7:09:18Hi, thank you. Good morning, Mayor and City Council. My name is Penelope Lopez and I'm an organizer with CHISPA. First, I want to offer my condolences to Brandon Lopez's loved ones. He was a community member of Santana, a son, a father, and he should be alive today. It is clear that police is not equipped to respond to mental health crisis and that communities of color are not safe at the hands of police. Brandon Lopez deserves justice, but we already know what happens when police
7:09:32investigate police accountability is evaded time and time again but accountability can't wait anymore we need a strong police oversight board we do not need another review board that will rubber stamp police violence community we know that communities thrive when resources are available to residents and when they are free from fear of eviction and brutality So I ask you all to take immediate action on police oversight and support rent control to ensure the safety and well-being of the most impacted in our community. Thank you.
7:10:11Thank you.
7:10:53Zoom ID Grant Leonard, if you would please select the microphone icon. Thank you. You may proceed with your comment.
7:10:58Hi, good morning. Can you hear me? Yes, we could hear you. Excellent. Hello, my name is Grant Lehner. I'm an attorney with Community Legal Aid SoCal. I'm here on, you know, as part of that. I work as a staff attorney in the housing department.
7:11:06I'm here in support of item number nine, the ordinance to control rent and also to establish just cause protections for tenants. I'd also like to just address some, you know, misinformation that I heard throughout the course of this city council meeting. I think some of the folks were saying that evictions haven't been happening during the pandemic, which is absolutely patently not true.
7:11:22You know, we over here at Community Legal Aid have been in court every single day defending people from getting evicted by landlords throughout the course of the pandemic. And, you know, we can't serve everyone. And even sometimes the people that we do serve still get evicted. So it's, it's absolutely happening. And for people to say that it's not, they're either very, very misinformed or they're lying. So I don't understand how people can come in front of us as property managers for housing organizations and say that.
7:11:55Second, you know, I think that there's this narrative that's being built, and I want to address this motif that seems to come up a lot of, you know, we're landlords that look out for tenants, and we're just, you know, a small landlord, we look out for folks, right?
7:12:27You know, I wanted to say, like, none of the folks that spoke out today, with maybe one exception, were even the landlords themselves. It was managers for property management companies. And I think that it's really telling that tenants are all here as individuals with their own lived experiences. And everyone here that's in opposition to this tenant protection is really here for their moneyed interests, right? Not for their livelihood. And I just think that's very interesting to me. Just something weird that I noticed.
7:12:48you know I don't I don't know that a landlord that when I see rent increases happen in court just as my personal experience or when I have tenants call in I don't see these 20 percent or five percent plus increases coming from landlords who are individuals like your mom your aunt your uncle people that live in the community it's almost always these property management companies themselves who aren't human beings and don't live in the community, don't need to eat, don't need to breathe, don't need a place to stay. So, you know, they're out to make their bottom line, they're out to make their money, and that's their only
7:13:23purpose for existing. So it's just really interesting. Yeah, it's just really interesting. You know, I can't speak on any of the other items that are being addressed today, number 14 or number 22 but i do think that i i am allowed to just extend my condolences to brandon lopez and his family i think that's appropriate um even my role as an attorney for sierra here uh thank you that's all my time have a great night thank you
7:14:01zoom id adolfo sierra if you would please select the microphone icon to unmute your call
7:14:31Good morning. My name is Adolfo Sierra. I live in Madison Park Neighborhood Association. I believe it's War 6 now. And I am in support of rent control. I believe it's item number 9. And two weeks ago, I couldn't speak in favor. For some reason, I got uh disconnected but anyways um i also here in support of the construction of the new restaurants at madison park but i also would like to request to have a community center there
7:14:39but i believe we need it it's necessary and also i support the school collaboration on subcommittee, I believe is very, very essential to have the Santa Ana Unified School District on the table when it comes to environmental justice due to the new general plan update, which is coming up really quick and is not being completed as it has to be completed.
7:15:21eliminating pollution and reducing the contaminants around the environmental justice areas. Also, I would like to support the police oversight committee because of the obvious reasons that has been mentioned all along. And my condolence to Councilmember Hernandez. I would like also to to applaud and thank you, Major Sarmiento for your leadership by asking the staff to
7:15:54look into this situation closely and strictly and find a solution. And that's really necessary at this moment.
7:16:30I also want to mention that the advantages of rental control, it's housing accounts more affordable, fewer people have to live in the streets which would have a homeless problem in the city, more money to spend on other things by the residents. This may lead to a better health insurance because the the the residents may have more money to pay for health insurance which is a one of the basic needs it's important also to ensure social stability on the city and more money
7:16:45for retirement we've been they've been mentioning over and over older residents about how they struggling to pay the rent 15 seconds higher efficiency on the overall use of housing space and they can the tenants can secure more feel more secure and and rent control is especially important for people with low income and being a social worker and i've seen every single day
7:17:23your time is up thank you for your comment
7:17:54zoom id nahed gabriel if you would please select the microphone icon on your device to unmute your
7:17:59call nahed gabriel if you would please select the microphone icon on your device
7:18:15to unmute your call.
7:18:25Alexis, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device. Thank you. You may proceed with your comment.
7:18:32Hi, can you hear me?
7:18:39Yes, we can hear you.
7:18:41Hi, good morning, counsel. This is Alexis Teodoro. I am the co-founder and current organizing director for the Tenayuca Labor Project. The Tenayuca Labor Project is a new project that seeks to and is currently supporting workers across the county, especially Santa Ana. And one thing that I would like to highlight that hasn't really been mentioned is, aside from the issues of high rent that tenants face in Santa Ana, A lot of these tenants who are workers also face a bigger, a really big issue as well that's called wage theft in their workplace.
7:18:44So not only do they live paycheck to paycheck, but they sometimes pay more than 50% of their rent from stolen wages, meaning that they're getting underpaid and because they don't really know their rights, they don't enforce them. So it creates—it contributes to the cycle of poverty that makes it—that continues to make it difficult to pay your rent. I highlight this to fully convince the rest of you who don't want to support and for full approval of the rent control policy, because any—this policy will directly benefit all minimum wage workers in the city of Santa Ana,
7:19:25who all those minimum wage workers are also hero workers, since they're working at the forefront of the pandemic even now. And also these folks are either ourselves or direct family members who live paycheck to paycheck. And like another speaker mentioned, the wages are not increasing.
7:20:07We fully support the rent control and we would like the council to also not just do the rent freeze, because as we hear landlords that are speaking, they're going to be raising their rents as a form of retaliation. But we also encourage the council to include what's called a presumable assumption of retaliation protection, because if we move forward and pass this tonight, there will be retaliation by landlords. and the city needs to also step up and create what's called a presumable assumption of retaliation so that the tenant can properly defend themselves in a timely manner.
7:20:30We do expect that to happen, so please consider adding more anti-retaliation protections when we move forward to pass this law. Also, I would like to extend my condolences to Council Member Hernandez. this. We feel your pain and we hope that an oversight committee is placed in the city once and for all to make sure that police are held accountable. 15 seconds left. Thank you and have a great night and we hope that rent control becomes a law starting today. Thank you.
7:21:10Thank you. Yeah. Zoom ID, Elias Casales. Thank you. You may proceed with your comment.
7:21:48Hello. Good morning. Hello.
7:21:59Hello. Yeah. You may proceed with your comment. Thank you.
7:22:03Great. Thank you very much. My name is Elias Casales. I'm the president for Santa Ana Pony. We were there earlier in the chamber's office, but it got too late for us to stick around and give our comments. So you have me here, I'm Zoom. Like I said, I'm the president for Santa Ana Pony Baseball. There with me was Alex, who's our vice president, and Renee is our other president, and Hector, our treasurer.
7:22:06We were there to urge the City Council to support and vote in favor of the proposed changes to the athletic facility reservation policy, which I believe is number 16. The Executive Board of Santa Ana Pony Baseball is in favor of the proposed changes. We have encountered many struggles to accommodate our youth athletes due to field restrictions. In past years, we've had to turn away young boys and girls because we could not secure enough baseball fields.
7:22:42Our goal as a board is to provide an activity for our youth that teaches them not only the game of baseball, but many other traits that help them in life. These proposed changes allow us to change the way things have been done in the past. We believe with cooperation, we can all properly share our fields with all sports and youth and adult sports.
7:23:20We strongly believe that with this new process,
7:23:54There's going to be a lot more transparency and a true emphasis on Santa Ana youth athletes.
7:24:01This new policy will also alleviate all the issues we've had with reservations for the last several years. So the Santa Ana Pony Executive Board strongly encourages all the council members to vote in favor for this new policy also to council member hernandez on behalf of santa anna pony baseball and monarch football we extend our condolences to you and all your family in the
7:24:10loss of your family member. Thank you in advance for your support. Thank you very much.
7:24:48Thank you.
7:24:58Zoom ID Tanya Navarro, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device.
7:25:03Zoom ID Tanya Navarro if you would please select the microphone icon on your device to unmute your call.
7:25:14Zoom ID, Tanya Navarro, if you would please select the microphone icon on your device.
7:25:33Thank you, you may proceed with your comment.
7:25:44Tanya, are you there?
7:25:52Tanya Navarro, we cannot hear any audio.
7:26:00Can you see if maybe your device is silenced? You may need to raise the volume on your device.
7:26:07Hi, can you hear me?
7:26:15Yes, we can hear you now. Thank you.
7:26:17you may proceed with your comment thank you uh hi there city council good morning my name is tanya navarro and i just want to start out this comment by saying i love santa anna and i love the people that make santa anna what it is um throughout 2020 and 2021 thousands of your constituents gathered to march and demand and to plead that you take action and that you equipped your people with real protection from law enforcement. Law
7:26:19enforcement's mood decides if we live or die and if we get brutalized and if our families are respected or not and every time without consequence. A few of you scoffed while your community brought up their concerns and their fears and their ideas to your chambers in the past and now here we are the names of the victims only continue to grow and this time it happened in our city on your watch
7:26:55We need now more than ever to instill police oversight, but not in a performative manner. We needed to have teeth. We need justice for Brandon. He was one of our neighbors. and on that day that pursuit drove through my neighborhood and I felt the fear but not of him I felt the fear for him for his life and in the aggression that I saw going through our neighborhood
7:27:32I plead all of you to think about all of the youth and all of your constituents and what they've been asking for for a very long time now. Right now the community is hurting and there's different types of violence taking place by the state.
7:28:10I also want to say that I am fully in support of adopting agenda item number nine and I I would like to reach out to my city council member, Phillip Bucera, to please vote yes on passing rent control. Thank you.
7:28:30Thank you.
7:28:49Okay, Mayor and council members, that was the last caller.
7:28:55Great, thank you, everybody. Good morning to everybody. We are now at the consent calendar section of the calendar. So let me go ahead and ask any members of the council if they have any items that they wish to pull. I believe we've already taken care of item number 10.
7:28:59Council member Fan has her hand virtually.
7:29:19Got it. Give me one second. Let me just go ahead and say that 10 has already been taken care of because that was the appointment of Kimberly Cabrera as a youth commissioner. and so I'll go ahead and call on council member fan to go ahead and pull any items or abstain from any items first then we'll go around here at the at the dais thank you I'd like to call item nine and no recusals for consent calendar go ahead on your no recusals or did you say you're going to
7:29:22you have recusals no recusals on the consent calendar thank you great thank you um let me
7:29:52If you go ahead and ask anybody here present, Mayor Pro Tem.
7:30:00Thank you, Mayor Sarmiento. I'd like to, not sure if Council Member Pham pulled item number nine, but I'd like to pull nine and also item number 16.
7:30:0316?
7:30:12Yes.
7:30:13Council Member Becerra.
7:30:17So I also wanna pull items nine, 14 and 17.
7:30:18Council members any others Mendoza Lopez or Hernandez any other items off the consent calendar
7:30:28that's already been pulled
7:30:3613 I'm not trying to extend the number of ones I'm just asking so 13.
7:30:42All right, seeing no other hands, I'll go ahead and entertain a motion for the balance of the consent calendar.
7:30:52I'll motion, Mr. Mayor.
7:30:59I'll second. I have a motion by Hernandez, a second by Peñalosa. Colleagues, please vote.
7:31:02The device is working.
7:31:11Maybe it stops working at midnight, I don't know.
7:31:15Okay, yeah, looks like you may be right. Okay, with Councilmember Hernandez motioning and Mayor Potem,
7:31:24Pinalosa has a second. Councilmember Becerra, if you can announce your vote.
7:31:35Are we not using the device?
7:31:41Yeah, it looks like it froze on us. I'm fine with the roll call, Clerk.
7:31:43yeah so yes yes thank you council member Hernandez yes council member Lopez yes council member Mendoza yes council member fan yes mayor put something yes thank you mayor Sarmiento yes great so uh
7:31:51let's let's go back to the items that were pulled off the consent calendar and the first one is uh item number nine which is pulled by council member fan so I'll go ahead and call on her
7:32:11Mr. Mayor a bit before she begins I want to just um I'm not comfortable discussing this item because I do believe there was a brown act violation at uh when this item came forward so I will be leaving the room out of an abundance of caution um I'm just not comfortable voting or participating in any discussion pending that there may have been and I'm pretty sure there it was a brown act violation. So thank you.
7:32:22Understood, thank you. Go ahead, council member Fan.
7:32:48Thank you, Mayor. I have an element. Sorry, sorry, I'm gonna abstain on the precaution of what I just heard.
7:32:54We've had a lot of conversation tonight, and I guess I wanted to start off by first addressing-Hold on, council member Fan.
7:33:03Give me one second.
7:33:08This topic, the first is a lot of comments from residents and speakers council member fan council member can you hear me oh i can hear you
7:33:10yeah give me one second so we we just had two council members speak uh ahead of you so i just wanted to make sure that that was clear on the record i believe council member uh mendoza and Mayor Pro Tempeña Losa are are.
7:33:24Okay, and so we have three council members, the Sarah Mendoza and Peña Losa that are leaving the dais because they are claiming that there is a potential Brown Act violation. Did you, is that what was said to Madam City Manager?
7:33:41On their end, did they commit the Brown Act violation? Is that why they're leaving?
7:34:01My understanding is they said that there was a potential that there was a Brown Act violation on this item. So out of an abundance of caution, they were gonna abstain.
7:34:06Got it, just for the record. So that's what their statement was. So go ahead, Council Member Fan. We have four council members present with you attending remotely. Go ahead.
7:34:15Thank you. So, yeah, so the first of all, I was just trying to address the fact that, you know, there are a lot of comments from both sides, talking about who are these brown residents or white folks coming into town. And I really want to urge speakers to stop making this kind of white versus brown or POCs versus non-POC comments because we are a diverse city with folks from all different backgrounds. And I think it's really important to recognize that there are folks from all different backgrounds and all different socioeconomic levels experiencing rent burdens. The second thing I'd like to address
7:34:26before I go on is that there has been a rumor or talks that somehow the mayor is quote leading the charge or has otherwise convinced the rest of us on this council to support rent control. So I want to be really clear tonight that the mayor did nothing to convince me about rent control or just caused evictions. In fact, I don't believe I even talked to him or Councilman Lopez regarding this topic prior to joining the ad hoc committee. So I want to say that it's at best misguided thinking and at worst prejudice to think that I as a young woman of color with two graduate degrees duly
7:35:07elected to represent the residents of Ward 1, many of whom commented today, that I somehow couldn't possibly have arrived at the conclusion that rent stabilization and additional just-cause evictions protections is what's needed to help make self-international lives a little bit easier or a little bit more predictable. I wanted to address some concerns raised by folks that we somehow didn't do the research on this or that they invoked my alma mater USC Price for Public Policy. I do have a master's degree from there. I'd like to comment that research from Pastor
7:35:44Carter Abood from USC Dornsife found that rent control supports resident disability and that is one part of a set of tools in our toolbox to help address the rent crisis and the housing crisis. I would like to comment that Gary Dean Painter, a professor, the chair of the Department of Public Policy, director of USC's Solkite Center for Social Innovation, and the director of Homelessness Policy Research Institute, wrote an opinion piece as an economist supporting rent control and rent stabilization because this is an important way to help residents
7:36:18And when there is a type of good that is limited, including land, prices will only go up and developers or managers, property owners, have no incentive to build because they can continue to charge more rent. With rent stabilization, the only thing they can do to increase their profits is to build more. This is why these rent control or rent stabilization policies do not apply to new units. we want to promote building. So I also want to cite friendly rival UCLA, also my undergrad,
7:36:55with Shane Phillips, who is the manager for the UCLA Lewis Center of Housing Initiative, who also supports rent stabilization policies in addition to additional building and subsidies, which is what the city of Santa is working to do and will continue to do to support our residents. So please do not try to patronize me in saying that I somehow did not do research. I have walked these streets. I have talked to these residents. I myself have experienced what it is like to live in a rent control unit in LA. This is real life policies. These are real life statistics, and I am proud to have that information in my belt.
7:37:37Another thing I want to address is the misconception or misunderstanding of the ordinances, the resolution, as well as the revised ones. First, rent control, rent civilization, caps around a 3% or 80% CPI. Everybody seems to get that. Adding just cause eviction protections. These two items go into effect right away, just as any policy passed at the state, local, or federal level might go into effect. There's nothing in addition to this to make sure that these protections go into law and are able to help protect renters.
7:38:20However, we passed a resolution to further research implementation of rent control and just cause eviction, not because the policies can't be implemented, not because residents cannot go to court to defend themselves, but to potentially look at implementing a rent registry in a rent board. The rent board may cost millions of dollars, as many commenters have said, but it would be cost neutral for the city with registration of rental units in the registry. Just as businesses have business licenses, being in the business of providing rental units would also require such registration.
7:38:58This would allow the city to track the units on the market, help landlords post notices, and help tenants know what their rights are.
7:39:38The $300,000 allocated from the Revive Fund is just a one-year stopgap to help develop a hotline to help educate tenants and landlords. It's to help do the research for the rent registry and the rent board. That's what it's for. it's a one-time allocation not something that is going to be indefinite we have looked at that
7:39:48so i want to share some personal stories as to what changed my mind because time and again we keep hearing about how you know rent control is bad or evil the first thing that really helped me change my mind is hearing stories from residents one-on-one not managers not advocates not landlords but residents that i spoke to on the street going to talk to them seeing what's up and time and again they share stories about being on a fixed income being forced to ask the children or family
7:40:15for money to make it and it's heartbreaking and that forced me to reflect on my experience my family's experience stories that i don't typically share with other people you know last time i talked about not having that money to buy food but i made my rent and that is information that we know statistically we know low-income residents make that sacrifice every day residents here in Santa Ana. So I really do want to share a story with you know a lot of managers. There were a couple landlords but I want to focus on the fact that these are managers
7:40:54not typically landlords who showed up to comment tonight who said well none of the residents really needed rental assistance. They always make their rent only a couple of them. Then you're completely be missing the facts of what it's like to be a Santa Ana resident. You do not know what it's like to live here. Because we make the sacrifices to forgo food, to forgo medication, and when we really have to, when we really have to, we ask our friendlies and family for rent. And I've been there. I've asked to borrow money from my friends because I couldn't ask my parents
7:41:35for it didn't have the money we know the shame of asking for that help
7:42:15we know the shame of what it means to come to someone and say please help me i don't want to be homeless next month and that is what you're missing when you say tenants are not coming to you for assistance when you say tenants are not applying for rental assistance it's because we're using our networks and our communities to the best of our abilities and that's what we've always been here to do that we will continue to do and that's what this program and these policies are meant to do so the last thing that really helped me look at why rent civilization is i
7:42:23asked myself what tools do i have to help residents today right now and so far i haven't heard anybody come up with any solutions as to what i can do today to help residents who might not qualify for rent assistance who might not get all the paperwork in because they don't have it or they can't convince others to give it to them. And that one policy is rent control. And rent control is the one policy I can think of that will help current Santa Ana residents. Not future residents, not outside residents, not new residents, but helps current residents in existing neighborhoods.
7:42:57No one in the industry, advocacy groups, or other policymakers have come up with a different policy that would have the same immediate effect to help residents. So that is why I changed my mind and determined that rent control was essential. And so I'd like to address some rent control scare tactics. You know, one is rent control doesn't give landlords enough money to upgrade and fix things. First, that's why we have the right to a fair return. Secondly, that's why we ask our consultant
7:43:35and staff to work on a capital improvement pass-through. And third, that is why we have me, third is I get you're talking about upgrades and fixing things. First of all, if it's health or safety violation, then you should definitely be doing it because it's part of your job as a landlord under our codes and state laws. But thirdly, while you are concerned about a playground or a pool, our residents are worried about being homeless and sleeping at a bus stop or finding shelter that night if they can't make rent. That is the reality. Those are
7:44:10the comparisons that folks are making tonight. The second one is the developers won't bill. Well, that is why our rent control policies are limited to buildings before 1996. This allows new buildings to charge whatever market rate that they want to recoup their investment so and i do agree with some comments that have made the nade that well sannan has done enough we've met our rena numbers why are we building for other cities well if you are not supportive of building more units for outside residents then you should be supporting rent control because it's the one thing
7:44:50preventing new residents from moving into these controlled units. That argument makes no sense. The third thing I want to address is that landlords will convert rental units into condos and remove rental units off the market. You're right, some units will be converted. But this creates another type of housing that we sorely lack in the city, missing middle housing for new homeowners to start building their wealth. Difficult. A lot of people don't want to build condos because they make more money on apartments well this will help alleviate that issue
7:45:30i also want to say that you know another issue as well it makes new units that become vacant and reinvented more expensive for new ventures well the fires with those in existing units right now current residents right now this is why we support in santa anna building new units building more affordable building units galore under the new general plan but this policy is about helping residents right here so in sum i wanted to try to well for those who's trying to misframe the argument as to why we need bank control and additional just cause eviction protection so
7:46:06let me be clear of course just cause we know additional just cause evictions protections don't prohibit all evictions. The goal is to prohibit those that are unfair, those that were missed under state law. We know rent control doesn't prevent all evictions. We know rent control doesn't prohibit all rent increases. We know rent control doesn't build more rental units. The goal of rent control is to help make renters better prepared for rent increase us. The goal of rent control is to make it a little bit easier to be a Senate and a resident
7:46:47and the goal of rent control is to ease the suffering of residents who have been asking, begging, coming out to advocate for their rental protection for a decade now or longer. Those are the goals that we're trying to reach tonight or today. And so the last thing I want to say is to address some of these allegations that there were Brown Act violations. Those are, in my opinion, baseless. And those are allegations. I don't believe there were Brown Act violations.
7:47:26This was not done in the dark of night. These were done according to the law. These were done on the dais we are legislating but rather than waste taxpayer dollars fighting a misguided lawsuit or potential lawsuit mayor i'd like to suggest um if madam city attorney agrees that we redo the first reading of these ordinances i think this would quote cure any alleged violations and this will give folks a third chance to address the issue at city council at city hall and reach out to meet with us if that's what we want to do so mayor that would be my motion
7:48:03great thank you uh council member fan for that summary and i believe that uh madam city attorney was outside the room but she probably heard what you were saying and so um i concur uh completely um let me go ahead and i know you have a motion that you've made uh to have this first reading redone tonight out of an abundance of caution um i'm gonna call on council member um council members who are here but i first wanted to uh ask and uh just to clarify for the record from uh the clerk of the council uh madam clerk do we have a quorum yes we have a quorum great okay that
7:48:44was the first threshold question now the second one is on the uh on the question of an alleged alleged Brown Act violation that was referenced by Councilmember fan let me go ahead and just read this into the record as well on September 24th the city received a letter alleging a Brown Act violation related to the Council's first reading approval of the ordinances prohibiting residential rent increases and requiring just cause evictions the letter alleged that number one the city's housing ad hoc committee was actually a standing committee subject to the Brown Act and that number
7:49:25Number two, certain communications of mine to Mayor Pro Tem violated the Brown Act's prohibition on serial meetings. First, as one of its members, I wish to stress that the housing ad hoc committee is indeed a genuine ad hoc committee. As both stated in the staff report accompanying its creation and in practice, it is a temporary advisory committee composed of less than a quorum of the council that serves a limited purpose and will dissolve upon its final report to the city council. second i would like to clarify that i did call mayor pro tem on september 16th which was a
7:49:58thursday about this matter but only to advise him that the ad hoc committee would be making a recommendation to adopt the ordinances on an urgency basis or on a regular basis at the september 21st meeting i did this as a courtesy alone for him and any other council and any other council member who did not serve on the ad hoc committee because on uh september 17th i did receive a call from council member mendoza uh wanting to discuss the matter of rent stabilization that was going to be appearing on the september 21st agenda item i mentioned to her that i was on
7:50:34the ad hoc and could not speak to her on the merits of that but did tell her it was going to be on the on the agenda and the council the full council would be considering it at no time in these brief conversations that I discuss the merits of the recommendation engage in any collective decision making or encourage any particular vote by any council member well this means we could move forward tonight with or this morning with the second reading in the spirit of transparency I will be joining council member fan to redo this first reading on the on both these ordinances
7:51:12though I firmly believe there there's been no brown act violations a new first reading will enable us to consider the ordinances unaffected by any extraneous concerns. What that does is it's going to delay this implementation by two weeks, but I think Council Member Phan put it well, is that it will avoid months, if not close to a year of litigation. To the extent that these frivolous claims of Brown Act violations, baseless claims of Brown Act violations are clearly not to attack the merits or substance of these ordinances but simply to attack its procedure and its process i
7:51:47am very disappointed but at the same time look these are the things that you know these are gamesmanship that we've seen since this whole idea started and what this will do i think in addition to that those who are saying this is being rushed this will be a three hearing process on this ordinance so now do your due diligence you've had two weeks to research this in fact you've had years to research this this isn't our fault that you didn't know this issue was upon us we've had renters tenants residents coming to this council for years if you wanted to be on this council
7:52:26you should have known housing has been a crisis in this city for many many years before you came on so if you didn't open your eyes and if the industry and the apartment association hired advocates to not advise their members that this was a problem and they should come to us and sit down and sat down and try to resolve this before. That's on you. That's not on us. We're here to represent the tenant. We're here to represent the residents. They are the ones who voted us in. They are the ones who live here. And to hide behind this frivolous claim is shameful,
7:53:02it's disappointing and it's disrespectful to the residents we all represent so I will be seconding uh Council member fan's motion to redo this as a first reading and I'll bring it back to the Council for any additional comments and I'll start with Council member Lopez and then Hernandez um
7:53:38yeah it's it's goofy as somebody used that word in the past um you know I'll keep my comments brief I'm supporting the motion that Councilmember Fan has made. And I also just want to say that I agree with Councilmember Fan. As a woman of color, it's offensive to the work that I have done in my community, to my intelligence, to everything that I have contributed to the city. for people to spread not just untrue rumors about me, but to go as far as implying that I am not intelligent or capable enough of making my own decisions, of doing my own due diligence,
7:53:57of actually talking with War III residents. So, you know, what we are seeing here is that when women are willing to be bold and courageous, we're gonna be punished for it. and it's disgusting. And worst of all, we're gonna be punished by people that don't know us and that refuse to be open to any type of change for our residents. You know, and Council Member Hernandez, I also wanna just say that I offer you my deepest sympathies. The loss of your cousin, Brandon Lopez,
7:54:38is at the center of so many of the agenda items here tonight. unfortunately. And we talk about two massive issues in our community, public safety and housing, and how they intersect. And I encourage everyone to do their own research and to find out how they intersect and why it is that we are having this discussion today. And again, I think I'll keep it brief. So that's gonna conclude my comments, thank you.
7:55:17Thank you, Councilmember. Councilmember Hernandez.
7:55:50Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you for your comments, Councilwoman Lopez. I fully concur, and you're absolutely right. At the center of two very important policy discussions intersects. Unfortunately, something that I experienced recently, and if you've ever experienced an overdrawn bank account or wondered where you would sleep at night, you may understand the mental impact of poverty and housing and the insecurity on overall health
7:55:55and wellness and how it impacts us and how it leads to addiction and how it leads to all these underlying mental health concerns that people in our community don't have access to the help that they deserve. And one of the most tragic things is I'm living this experience today. It's no secret what happens in our community. And we have no choice but to show up the next day. And in response to, you know, the frivolous claims of a potential Brown Act violation,
7:56:34The good thing about me as an elected here is you can check the record. I was the first public speaker in favor of rent control at a city council meeting. That's public record. I ran on rent control. This isn't politics to me. This isn't a political platform for me. I'm somebody who became a father at the age of 17. These issues are real. It's real out here. so um this concludes my comments i'm proud to support rent control
7:57:12thank you council member um madam city attorney do you want to advise the other council members that have abstained based upon an alleged claim of a brown act violation that since we are redoing the first reading they're free to join us if they choose not to i'm fine with that as well but uh look to the extent you want you may want to advise them um i'll give you some moments to go ahead and
7:57:50do that um right you might as well try yes i will at least notify the other council members of what you're attempting to do and how that impacts the allegations of a violation got it thank you while
7:58:14you're doing that let me just go ahead and um i didn't want to revisit this whole the merits of of this because I believe we've already spoken to it at the last meeting. I think others put it really eloquently as to why we should support it. The only thing I would suggest Madam city manager is there are two considerations. One that I believe was just something that's implicit. From my reading of the language of 1482, it exempts any affordable developments because they're deed restricted. But can you check on that to make sure that that is an exemption from what I understand that's a provision that's in the just cause
7:58:28eviction ordinance but for whatever reason I didn't see the same language in the um in the rent stabilization ordinance so um it's the same language that that is in there I forget what subsection it is I can look it up if you'd like but I'm sure that you know certainly we'll do that right now for you sir great the the other thing I would say for us to consider is maybe looking at this on an annual review where we kind of study the metrics and see, you know, have there been any conversions of rental units to condominiums? Are conditions being blighted?
7:59:09You know, different metrics to say what is the impact of rent stabilization and just cause addiction just to keep track of this. So to kind of revisit it and get some data on an annual basis, right, going forward?
7:59:46Certainly we can identify some performance matrix that relate to some of the areas you want monitor, and then certainly report back at different intervals.
8:00:00Perfect, those were my only two considerations. They're not really changes, if anything, per se, because I think, again, the affordability is already is already spoken to in 1482 and it's already in our just cause eviction ordinance you know I just wanted to talk about 1482 as we're giving madam city manager uh city attorney some time to go ahead and speak to others is that you know 1482 doesn't preempt cities from doing
8:00:10what we're doing there's a reason why they left this open because 1482 covers the entire state not all cities in California are alike. Beverly Hills has rent control. You know, San Francisco has it. I mean, so there's so many different cities that have different demographics and different average median incomes for their populations. And for Santa Ana to just, you know, say, look, we're not going to tailor it to our needs doesn't make any sense to me. So all we're doing is we're simply tailoring it to the demographic we have. So in, to me, in essence,
8:00:45this is just simply uh you know an anti-gouging ordinance and we're just saying rent increases are still going to be allowed they're just going to be reasonable and not excessive that's really all we're saying with this and again tailoring it to our community standards and our community needs so um i think that's it um before we move forward i'll go ahead and just ask the city attorney is Is there anything that you need to add to us or?
8:01:21Yeah, I just like mayor and I know it's super early in the morning now, but I did have an opportunity to go back and talk. I do want to be able to just put on the record mayor that our mayor pro tem continues to have a difference of opinion in terms of what he believes was discussed between the two of you. In his opinion, he believes that there was a brief discussion about whether an urgency ordinance was needed or not and that there was some discussion about that and so based on that
8:01:53they have decided not to come back and participate that's fine but they also know that there is a first reading being revisited and voted on and that cures any even allegation of a brown act violation and i believe there wasn't so there's a difference of opinion on that but we're curing that irrespective and what it's doing it's costing residents and tenants two additional weeks for their rent to be spiked and let that be on anybody's shoulders and on anybody's um you know mind as this happens because it didn't have to be this way and to hide behind a frivolous allegation
8:02:23again i think is is unfortunate so um madam go ahead i do have a question city attorney um
8:02:59is the mayor the only one being accused of a brown act violation in this situation
8:03:08well i just want to make clear that the letter we received made two allegations one was that the ad hoc committee was actually a standing committee the mayor's addressed that we've also looked into that we believe that if you do go back and look at when that committee was formulated and based on its very short duration that it is indeed an ad hoc committee so that was one with respect to the brown act violation i think the the the allegation is that the ad hoc committee the three of you present here not not three of you present because the council member fan was on that ad hoc committee
8:03:14then the three of you came up with a recommendation and it's mayor pro tem's position i don't want to speak for him but what he's told me it's mayor potom's position that the contact with the mayor was substantive it wasn't just procedural the mayor says it's procedural he says that it was substantive i think that's why the recommendation is to redo this to cure it and to move forward
8:03:49and so that conversation ended there yes with me with just between the mayor and the mayor
8:04:15Pro Tem? My understanding is that there was a subsequent meeting between the three of the members who are not here, but that was on separate terms. So the three of them could have legally have a conversation on separate terms. So that's what I understand. That's what my, I did my due diligence after the letter was received. I had a conversation with some, several of the council members to determine whether there was a Brown Act violation. If Mayor Pro Tem, if what he says is true, then I would have concluded that there was a Brown Act violation. We have a difference of opinion because mayor saying that is not true.
8:04:22I think the best thing that you can do is exercise due diligence and take the action that you you have on the table tonight. Okay, thank you.
8:05:03So again, for the record, redoing and revisiting the first reading will cleanse that and cure it. Yes. All right, well look, I think we've beaten that horse to death. Councilmember Fan, any further comments? Hopefully no.
8:05:12No. Just kidding.
8:05:30But hearing that and seeing that, Madam City Manager.
8:05:35Mayor, we have the answer to your question regarding 1482. You are correct. It excludes affordable units if they're deed restricted or some other document recorded to maintain them as affordable.
8:05:39Got it. Thank you for that clarification. All right, with that, I guess since our devices look like they're working now, maybe they get rebooted after 2 a.m. All right, council members, please vote.
8:05:51Okay.
8:06:22The motion shows, actually should say pass with four, three. So it's council members, Hernandez Lopez, excuse me, Fan and Mayor Sarmiento voting yes. Council members Becerra Mendoza and Mayor Potempo Nalosa abstaining.
8:06:29great you got to change that fail to a pass because we don't want that uh
8:06:48yes as our last visual of this i have a quick question on the abstain in the um the abstentions i thought we weren't able to necessarily abstain from voting
8:06:51so um we do have a municipal code provision that says that council members should vote unless they state on the record why they have they why they believe they have a conflict or why they believe that their participation, why they believe they should not participate. Okay, thank you for that.
8:07:03And for the record, it does show that it's it passed.
8:07:20Good, all right. We can put that up again. All right, moving along to the next item. I believe that's item number 13 by council member Mendoza. Thank you.
8:07:23Question on item 13 is whether this service is unionized?
8:07:38Certainly, council member. I do believe the Allied Universal Janitorial Service employees are a part of a union, but I will have the police chief confirm that information.
8:07:49Yes, confirmed.
8:08:03All right. And my second question was, could some of these services be performed by our SEIU members who had been laid off last year in 2020?
8:08:05I know that we, I mean the answer would be of course any position could be performed by an individual. What we have pursued per direction of this council doing first right of refusal to all positions that we've been restoring to SEIU members that were let go during COVID when we had to shut down the services that they performed. We have not had large numbers of them taking us up on those job offers, but we are continuing to do that, and you do have a lot of items before you where we are going to be adding additional positions on, and we will certainly follow through with that as well with those positions that we'll be adding
8:08:24subject to your approval. And Allied has been doing services for these type of services for
8:09:04the city for a few years and they're reasonable and high quality services i'll defer to the police chief and the process as to why they are recommending the multi-year contract with ally
8:09:12I have a PowerPoint if you'd like as well.
8:09:30In 2016, the council directed that this particular contract be unionized. So we went out for RFP. 2017, there was a three-year contract with Santa Fe building. And then we went out again to RFP and Allied scored the highest based on the selection criteria.
8:09:37All right, if there aren't any other questions by my colleagues, then I'd like to move the item for approval.
8:10:03Is there a second?
8:10:13I'll second the motion. Great, we have a motion by Mendoza, a second by Hernandez. Any questions or comments? Seeing none, Madam Clerk.
8:10:15Please cast your vote.
8:10:23Use a device.
8:10:24Motion passes 7-0 with council members Becerra, Hernandez, Lopez, Mendoza, Fan, Mayor Potempo, and Mayor Sarmiento voting yes.
8:10:33Great, thank you. Moving along to the next item, I believe it's item number 14 by council member Becerra.
8:10:42Yes, thank you Mr. Mayor.
8:10:50So this item is the agreement with CityNet and according to the staff report, CityNet will provide teams working across the city seven days a week from 7am to 9pm. I'd like to see CityNet working between 9 p.m and 7 a.m even if it's in smaller capacity than what's being offered between 7 a.m and 9 p.m uh i think we can all agree from what we've experienced or what we've seen that mental health calls do not conveniently stop at 9 p.m and then begin again at 7 a.m so um i'm going
8:10:56to look to you madam city manager uh in regards to this item is this a change that can be made from the dais tonight, or should we continue the item and have you go back and discuss this change
8:11:32with CityNet, assuming my colleagues agree? Council Member, if you would give me some leeway on it, I would be comfortable with moving, if you move the item forward, but then what we will do is we will go back to CityNet and express that desire, and maybe we can attempt to adjust and maybe get some experience under our belt on when there is a volume and that we could adjust accordingly if you would allow us to do that if if you're saying you want it fixed right now to be a definite time period i probably would have to go back to them but i don't see any concern in you
8:11:45know moving forward and adjusting as we go along if that makes sense well when you say adjust in
8:12:20other words i i want to see some sort of service it may not be as robust as what you would see between 7 a.m and 9 p.m but i think there needs to be some sort of service it's the same way with police and other services where you may not have as much at certain hours versus others in this case here i'm glad we're doing this i just think that doing it from 7 a.m to 9 p.m is really not as helpful as doing it around the clock in some way shape or form so i guess what i want to ask you then is when you say you're going to go back to city net will there be some sort of service from sitting at between 9 p.m. and 7 a.m.
8:12:25to maintain a 7 a.m. to 9 and to add automatically in 9 to 7, there's going to be a cost factor to that. So if that is what your request is, I would have to go back with them. If you let us start with these hours and maybe it's adjusting it to 10 and going until 11, maintaining the same level of hours, that could be done within the same cost estimate of this contract. But if you're clearly adding that many hours on top of this many hours, I definitely would have to go back to.
8:13:03And again, I don't want to add the same level of service in the night hours as it is during the day hours. But I do want some level of service. It could be less, but I do want some. So if you feel that you can do that with us moving the item forward, then I'd be happy to support that. But if you feel you need to go back, then I'll move to continue.
8:13:32I'm comfortable with that and I certainly would report back and if I could not achieve it I would be bringing you back an amendment to the contract.
8:13:58Okay, so with that change to add some service between 9pm and 7am I'll go ahead and move the item.
8:14:04Great, so there's a motion with those adjusted hours with a second by Councilmember Hernandez. Any other questions or comments from the Council? Seeing none, Madam Clerk?
8:14:11Please cast your vote. Please vote.
8:14:22Council member Mendoza, if you would please cast your vote.
8:14:29If you can please verbalize it and we'll go ahead and.
8:14:37Thank you.
8:14:45Motion passes 7-0 with council members Becerra, Hernandez, Lopez, Mendoza, Fan, and Mayor Pro Tem, Peñalosa and Mayor Sarmiento voting yes. Great, thank you. Moving along to item number 16,
8:14:48I believe that was pulled by Mayor Pro Tem. Yes, thank you Mayor Sarmiento. Number 16 is to adopt the resolution for athletic facility reservation policy. I just wanted to, I know Lisa has a presentation but I think because of the time I'm sure we're okay not, you know, showing it but if the council wants, so that's fine. But I just wanted to thank you for this. I mean, I know we've been working really hard on this. I know it's over half a year of a deep, deep investigation into what's been going on for decades in our community,
8:15:00just the decades-long corruption and theft and all of the above from our city and our residents. I remember growing up here in the city, you know, my entire family played soccer. All of my uncles, my siblings, they played soccer. And I remember going with them as a child, you know, and I'd hang out to watch the game. And I'd see, you know, all the players, you know, 11, let's say 11 soccer players per team. they'd each pay $20 to play.
8:15:40I remember they'd all collect their $20 and they'd, you know, that's 22 players if you're thinking of two teams playing against each other. They'd all collect $20 each. And I remember asking once, what's this for? And they was like, oh, it's to pay the ref. I'm like, oh, okay, that's crazy. I was like, that's $440 to pay a ref. I mean, I want to be a ref when I grow up. If I have to ref a game for an hour and a half for 440 bucks, I mean, talk about making a living, right? Times that times four games that they would have throughout the day per field. You know, you're talking $1,700.
8:16:20Now multiply that times however many fields that that was happening in our city and all being controlled and monopolized by a handful of people, which is sad because then you had youth and actual Santa Ana kids that could not have access to our fields or even reserve them because of what was going on. You had a couple of people that controlled them and that was it. It's like a little mafia. So I'm happy that this is being addressed. There's many areas where we've kind of slowly been tackling just decades long corruption here in the city. and this is a huge one that's a win for the community.
8:16:58Our youth are gonna have access now to their parks. They belong to them, nobody else. And the fact that it's gonna be equitable and accessible to all of our kids, I mean, that's just something, this makes me really happy. So thank you, Lisa, to you and your Parks and Rec staff. I don't know if you wanted to add anything to it. I know that speakers addressed you earlier,
8:17:38but but not sure if you wanted to comment on that yeah yes absolutely uh thank you mayor pro tem uh this is actually the spirit of this policy is to give our athletic facilities back to our community to our residents we don't need anyone subletting our fields so they come and they sublet our fields for two dollars an hour and then they sell it for a hundred dollars an hour that is That is wrong. That is absolutely wrong. Imagine if we did that with our prices with our program. It is wrong. And Mr. Pedro Malione, who, by the way, I am Italian.
8:18:03I identify as Italian because I am Italian. So he calls me white. That's okay. He can do what he wants to. But he is the person that is the worst. He is the one that comes here and says that Lisa won't call me, that city manager won't meet with me. He's the one who's doing this. He is the one who's been ripping off our community forever. And guess what? We're not going to stand for it. And this is the first step to take control of this. And I'm sorry I'm so passionate, but it is about our community.
8:18:41It is about being transparent. We're putting together a system that is going to be automated, that's going to be utilizing our recreation management software. It's not going to be manual. And the findings from this investigation came out with a lot of things that we can improve, and that's what we're going to do. And so, you know, I appreciate it and the people there's 53 people that emailed in that appreciate the policy, because the the Santa Ana Pony baseball, they're a legit organization. Pedro's organization is not so stop taking advantage of this community.
8:19:22Thank you, Lisa. Again, I'm personally happy with it. It was time. I know that even the connections to this were tied to previous elected officials are no longer here. And it's just, I mean, it's, there's a lot of areas in the city where that is happening, not just with Parks and Rec. I mean, it was happening in the library. It was happening all over the place. So I'm happy to be cleaning this up. It's time that we start looking out for really for the betterment of the city and transparency across the board so this is going to do that so with that mayor um
8:20:02i'll make a motion to approve i'll second i'd like to comment so uh we've got a motion and i think a second by hernandez who wanted to comment and then lopez wanted to comment then the sarah who will
8:20:35comment in that order okay and then fan i am beyond appalled that this even was ever a thing what's the name of this gentleman's organization
8:20:48organizations that have monopolized our fields for years so
8:21:02i'm at a loss for words because i remember when i was in high school my i had a really good friend and her father was um he was a soccer coach and i remember he used to literally what mayor pro time was explaining i remember seeing that you used to have to pay the ref and he he used to even take him food and i just remember being so perplexed at that time as a kid like oh man the city's really paying cash like you got to pay cash to play and let alone i mean this was this has been going on for so long i mean it's almost mafia like i i'm well i'm so happy to see that
8:21:08we're doing something about this and thank you director rudeloff for for being proactive about it
8:21:46Great. Thank you, council member, council member Lopez, and then council member fan.
8:21:51Thank you, Lisa, you know, I fully support our parks and rec department investigating any wrongdoing and seeking a fair process for Santa Ana residents. I appreciate that. And I do support it, but I do have questions. And I just want you to know that because I have questions, that doesn't mean that I don't support it or I don't value the work that you've done. which is clearly reflected in the staff report and the attachments. But are people going to have to be 18 or 21 to reserve, to make a reservation?
8:21:54Well, they need to identify a representative and we in our allocation guide. So there's a user allocation guide that's also going to be attached to this and it'll be on the website. We want them to be 21 years of age. Now, there could be exceptions, and like I said, the spirit of this is to make it a process that works for everyone. We just want legitimate organizations that are nationally affiliated with a sport, their sport. There might be some clunkiness the first year, but we're going to work with people, and if we need to make some changes after a year of evaluation, we'll make those changes.
8:22:28So only established organizations can make reservations?
8:23:04Yes, for for youth sports. So youth sports organizations are going to be our priority. They're going to be priority number 2. So you have your Santa Ana Unified School District. You have your modern day. You have the Santa Ana College. I'm sorry not the college, but all the youth sports organizations that are in the community, and they have 90% of their participants who are residents of Santa Ana at the recreational level in 70% of their participants at like the competitive travel ball level, our Santa Ana residents, they need to belong to a sports coalition. They need to be a member of our newly created sports coalition.
8:23:08And what we do is we meet together, we talk about allocations, we understand everybody's needs, we're in front of each other, and we're talking it through and we're going to do that twice a year. And so there is a process that they can follow along. But as far as the 21 year old, we just want to make sure that the appropriate adult person is representing the organization. And they're, you know, they're an adult.
8:23:49You know, to the to the age requirement, I do think we can lower it to 18. I know a lot of responsible 18 year olds that are trying to get kids to be involved in use the parks. And so I have a question. If you know an impromptu group of kids just wants to play, you know, soccer, because actually popular, but they're not an established organization, what happens? How can they get access to that field, or are they going to be run out of the park?
8:24:16No, there are municipal code allows for up to 40 people to utilize a space in our park. But we just want to make sure it's not an organized organization that's really having a practice. So if they want to utilize a field for a family or game or or just with their friends, they can certainly do that.
8:24:50Okay. And then I was reading that a youth coalition is going to be established. Yes. And are adults going to be part of that youth coalition?
8:25:13Our adults, the coaches or the representatives from the organizations will be a part of it. But but the adults will not like the adult leagues will not. So adult leagues will have an opportunity to there'll be the priorities three through six. So we're going to accommodate all of the youth sports organizations first, allocate the fields, and then we'll go down. the line with the adult sports. And really think about the problem statement is we don't have enough fields. We have enough fields. It's improper use. So there's people from other communities
8:25:23coming here and utilizing our fields. Why? They can go to their own communities and use their fields. So I feel that it's all going to balance out and people are going to have enough space to accommodate the kids in the community and their sport. Okay. So, you know, we're having a
8:25:59big conversation about how we prevent crime and things like that. And one of the big things that we see here is a lot of adult males that are not part of the big established organizations that will play soccer. And so I just want to know like how this new policy is going to include them or is it going to prevent them from having that type of game? Because I personally, for me, I would want them to continue playing as opposed to them doing other activities in the city that they
8:26:17could be doing absolutely the adults will continue to play they don't have to be a part of a national organization that's just for the youth because we want the youth to be a part of a national affiliated organization because there's codes of conducts there's um certifications and such so the adults will continue to play their leagues uh in our city um as they have been okay so then
8:26:47And am I correct in making the assumption that all of our local organizations are established with national organizations?
8:27:10They are not.
8:27:19Santa Ana Pony Baseball is affiliated with the national organization. AYSO Soccer is affiliated. So if they would like to be a part of our youth sports coalition, they need to take these steps to become established. They need to affiliate with the national organization. And there's criteria that they need to meet to be a part of that. And what we'll do after this is we'll be meeting with the entire community. We want them to know that now they can come to us and let's help them through and get through the process.
8:27:22And if they want to truly establish themselves and serve community members and the youth of this community, then we will help them.
8:27:54they're going to go through a different process than like san anaponi right because they have to now be required to register with a national organization yes and they need to be a 501c3 okay and then um are competitive leagues allowed to be part of the coalition yes um and i was reading that people part of the youth coalition have to participate in two meetings two meeting requirement what happens if they can't what happens if they don't make one meeting they can
8:28:02have a representative there's a lot of people um in a youth sports organization so maybe if the president can't make it they can have the vice president come okay and you know life happens
8:28:33and how are we going to manage last minute cancellations there'll be a process where
8:28:46we will manage the cancellations through the city of Santa Ana. So what we want to see is when someone wants to utilize a field, then use the field. What I don't want to see is the fields not being used and somebody has a hold on it and somebody else needs it. So we want to accommodate everyone as best as we can. And so it'll come through my department. I would like to see some
8:28:52sort of advertising maybe from the Parks and Rec department to put it out to community like Like we have a cancellation if you need a field, you know, there's a field available.
8:29:17We'll put it, we'll automate it and put it on our website and use our software.
8:29:28Okay. And then folks are being required to make a reservation 12 months in advance. Did I read that correctly?
8:29:35Yes, there's going to be requirements if they're going to have tournaments or, and again, the The process at the very beginning is going to be hard to meet the timelines that we have in our user guide. So if this goes into effect January 1, 2022, right now they need to start planning for that. So we're going to have to meet with people now and try to do the best we can to move them forward to get them to where they need to be.
8:29:41So then the assumption is that these organizations know what their schedule is a year in advance and what they're going to be doing. Therefore, they should book a field 12 months in advance. Yes. That's normal. Yes, they would know it from their national organization, what their schedule for the year would be. Okay, and then I guess on the risk management side of it, I was reading that our orgs are gonna have to, they're gonna be required to have a $1 million insurance policy.
8:30:10And I guess what I would prefer to see is the city kind of offering some sort of partnership with an insurance provider, as opposed to having that be put on the residents. Because I mean, I don't know what that process would look like. I think it would be easier for them if the city says, this is our partnership. Go through them and figure it out.
8:30:45Yeah, and typically they would be covered by their national organization, their affiliation. So I think they might be covered there, but we can look into that.
8:31:11Okay. And then is this going to be made in Spanish?
8:31:19Yes. We have draft policies. We'll be coming back to you to amend the miscellaneous fees. That will be sometime in November. Then we propose to implement this in January of 2022.
8:31:24Okay, great.
8:31:39But yeah, we'll put it in both languages.
8:31:40All right. Well, I'm 100% in favor of the non-transferable clause. I do support that wholeheartedly. I hope that this new process makes it easier for people to have access to the public
8:31:42parks yes thank you thank you council member council member becerra and then council member fan
8:31:53thank you mayor sarmiento um lisa thank you for bringing this forward um i one question i have is simply what you're proposing here i mean all these different components of this policy in your uh lengthy career are these items that are unusual in other words are you trying to sand down the edges just to make it fit in Santa Ana? Or are these things that residents in any other city would expect when it comes to their athletic facilities and the organizations that are reserving them and
8:31:59using them? Yes, this is best practices in the parks and recreation profession. It varies from city to city. People will change things, but typically there's a process, a transparent process, an automated process, and typically some type of sports coalition
8:32:32that people belong to. Okay. Well, I'm going to support this as is. I think it's paramount that our residents have fair, equitable, and reasonable access to all of our fields and facilities. And the fact that we had these shenanigans going on, and I thank you for your passion and your commitment to, you know, seeing this through all the way through and to make sure that, you know, as you spoke earlier about certain folks that have been abusing the system and really short changing our residents so thank you again for what you're doing then. I'm very happy to support the measure in front of us today. Or yeah this morning.
8:32:52Great Thank you Councilmember fan.
8:33:33Thank you, Mayor. I will be briefer. First, I want to say a sincere thank you to Director Ramoth and City Manager for working on this and dealing with this. I know it's been a really difficult year addressing this issue. I want to caution any residents or speakers or commenters in attacking our staff. That is not the way to get your point across. I will defend my staff. they work very hard they work for the city they work for this council so stop it um the other thing i wanted to say is you know i also wanted to thank council member excuse me mayor poten
8:33:36penielosa because i know this has been an issue that he's brought up before uh this was the first the first items that was brought up to me when i met with the orange youth soccer league right there playing like this intermediate um this has been going on for a really long time and i'm just really appreciate that it's being addressed with this new council and that it's going to be a lot
8:34:15better for all of our residents thanks thank you council member i think um i just had a couple of comments i think everybody had a chance to speak who raised their hands so i i totally agree with the non-transfer policy i think that's been a problem going back years maybe decades probably before my time it's always been a complicated issue because we have such a demand for field space here and we are such a park poor city right so um you know these leagues negotiate not only with us but they negotiate with the school district and other cities and other school
8:34:37districts outside of the city as well so it really is turned into um you know a complicated problem so here's here's my issue with it is that um we have a lot of smaller leagues right that that aren't affiliated with any nationally recognized, let's use AYSO for an example. I don't want them to be elbowed out. So I almost wanna do a legal non-conforming for them, almost grandfathering them in, making the attempt to have them blend into, or maybe, you know, a transition into nationally recognized if we want that. I think, you know, it's best practice,
8:35:11but it's much simpler to say, let's just work with AYSO because they're a national organization. They've got their insurance in order. They're able to fund things and it's just easier. The problem is that Santa Ana has always been complicated because we do have, you know, Azteca, you know, different leagues that are really small and they still want to do the right thing. These aren't the offenders. These aren't the bad actors. So if we can transition those good actors into complying and fitting into this new format i think we've got i think we've got a much better idea so if you if we can include
8:35:52that as part of our efforts uh not to just say you know you're too small you're not affiliated with anybody nationally recognized you're done but to have that transition period to maybe bring them in again as maybe almost a right of first refusal right um something like that the the third point is look i love modern day they're here in santa anna but their but their school has how many residents that are from santa anna or how many students that are from santa anna and i know we've you know also you know leased out our um eddie westfield to orange lutheran look orange
8:36:29lutheran almost has zero santa anna residents so i think there was a time that we were going to let them use and i think you know i stepped in and a couple of others said look this is for santa Santa Unified School District teams. So I think if we're gonna subject the soccer clubs to that, I think we have to be fair and do that with other schools who do football, not F-U-T-B-O-L, F-O-O, American football, and make sure that they abide by the same rules. And we have to figure out what we're gonna do with modern day. I think because they're here in the city, look, we can make that exception.
8:37:06but schools outside the city like Olu or anybody else who wants to use that I'm totally opposed so um I think that's that should be the standard that should be a bright line rule and and with those three um you know uh sort of you know conditions or caveats I think you know we're on the right path this is a resolution it's subject to you know changes um it's intent so it's not you know it's not completely binding but to the extent we can do that and incorporate some of those thoughts uh i'm supportive so um in the end let's go ahead i do want to make a friendly
8:37:43amendment to your motion mayor pro temp if we can bring down the age from 21 to 18. uh yeah i would
8:38:19gladly accept that that amendment to the motion and i was going to say mayor as the maker of the motion i'm happy to accept um the age requirement from 21 to 18 and um the mayor sarmiento's idea of helping these smaller leagues uh youth leagues kind of help them become official or kind of whatever way we can is kind of gear them and and like i i definitely don't want to elbow them out
8:38:25but make sure they're included in the process absolutely we can say maybe it's a regional if they're affiliated with a regional or a state or it doesn't have to be national or you know something or if they're established, we can work with them. And again, the spirit of this is to help them. And we will certainly do that.
8:38:53And yeah, the bad actors, obviously, we don't want. So that's got it. All right. Thank you. Seeing no other comments. Let's go ahead and bring it to the council for a vote.
8:39:11Colleagues, please vote.
8:39:21okay motion carries seven zero with council members becerra hernandez lopez mendoza fan mayor pro tempina los amir sarmiento voting yes great thank you everybody uh moving along to the
8:39:34last item on the consent calendar i believe that's item number 17 by council member becerra
8:39:45thank you mr mayor um i'm very happy with in this item to see the increase uh to the sanitate sanitization and prevention item that we're increasing from 2.3 million to 2.8 million unfortunately i i can't support committing the 300 000 in one-time funds towards the ongoing effort that is the uh proposed eviction defense fund uh when the action to create this fund also included the adoption of a companion resolution directing further study of the infrastructure
8:39:50are necessary to implement this in other words we're committing money and then the details for how we're going to spend it will follow so to me that's a very fine example of putting the cart before the horse and also this commitment is not necessary when our city has millions of dollars in undistributed rental assistance funds that could go towards what this fund is hoping to accomplish which is preventing evictions so um with that concern expressed i will make a motion TO APPROVE THE SECOND REVISION OF THE REVIVED SAN ANA SPENDING PLAN MINUS THE COMMITMENT TO
8:40:27$300,000 OF ONE-TIME FUNDS TOWARD THE VAG EVICTION DEFENSE FUND EFFORT AND APPROVE THE AMENDMENT OF THE FISCAL YEAR 21-22 ANNUAL BUDGET TO ADD LIMITED TERM FULL-TIME POSITIONS FOR IMPLEMENTING THE ARPA
8:41:02RELATED PROJECTS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUBMOTION TO APPROVE AS IS.
8:41:16great uh so we have a motion by becerra on the uh amended uh motion and we have a substitute motion
8:41:22by you're gonna second i just wanted to comment i'll second your motion council member lopez okay
8:41:29so we have a substitute motion by lopez just to go ahead and adopt as recommended by staff we've got a comment by um mayor pro tem and then a comment by um councilmember hernandez
8:41:35The only comment I had about this item was the COVID Memorial Fund that has been now, we're told after a year almost of discussing this, we're told, hey, some attorney at BBK is saying that this isn't allowed. I know that other cities have moved forward in this direction and using ARPA money for COVID memorials. The reason why I'm just very upset about it and kind
8:41:48of heartbroken is because we did have close to a thousand, it might even be over now, of deaths in Santa Ana, of Santa Ana residents that passed away due to COVID. And I firmly believe that this is just the funds for this was directly related to COVID related expenses. This is something that would help our residents cope with their loss and give them a place to where they can mourn
8:42:27their family members, because a lot of families in Santana have been struggling over this, over losing family relatives. My barber, she lost her mom and dad in the same week in February of this year. And I remember getting my haircut and she just shows me the picture and it's both coffins at a church. And I had no idea. And she was like, yeah, well, I got to work. I was like, you're here working. And so these are Santana families that lost their loved ones. I mean, a lot of them. And they were so excited because of the amount of times that we advertised having a COVID public memorial. It was in the newspaper. It was in Voice of OC.
8:43:03It was in OC Registry. It was in the New York Times that we were going to have a COVID memorial for our residents to grieve. What that looked like, we never got that far. But I'm just, you know, upset that it was just kind of of this, it just disappeared. So my question would be to the city attorney because it was a BBK attorney that said we couldn't use it for a COVID related memorial for our residents. Was there like an official memo or statement that was given in regards to the COVID memorial and where is it because I didn't see it.
8:43:45So we have an attorney out of our Washington DC office that was very involved with the Department of Treasury and looking at what were eligible expenses and our finance director met regularly with a team of people who went through each of the expenditures and evaluated them and that individual is doing that on behalf of a number of cities about 75 different cities. It's not to say that the city can't have that if you found funding in another place for it. It's just that we looked at this and wanted to make sure that you didn't spend the money and then later have to pay it back.
8:44:22Okay, so go ahead, Madam City Manager.
8:44:56If I can just add, Mayor Pro Tem, I couldn't agree with you more. I think it seems like it should have been an obvious type of an expenditure. But as they have been adding more and more details to the guidelines, we want to make sure that we don't run afoul of them because we don't want to be on a radar for misusing those funds. But I do agree that this is something that is very important for our community to heal, and I would be more than happy to look to try to do that. determine another source of funds so that we could move forward with some type of a memorial.
8:45:00I would appreciate that just because, you know, I've said this before, I personally lost seven family members over the last year and a half to COVID in Mexico and here in Santa Ana. And just hearing from residents when we when we approved this budget in June and approved our spending plan, I mean, they were so thankful and excited about seeing a public memorial. Again, I don't know what that was going to look like, but people were looking forward to it. So, you know, if my colleagues would, I don't know how this would work if we were to direct you now to, you know,
8:45:29see if there are other funds that we could use for this, if they're available. Obviously, if they're not, then I mean, no.
8:46:09Hearing no objections, I will do that research and then I will return to you for your formal decision.
8:46:17Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. And I know we have Council Member Hernandez and then Pham, but I just wanted to say this is probably, and maybe lawyers disagree, but I didn't think there was anything more directly related or having a nexus, you know, relationship to funds and a purpose than a COVID-related memorial. In any event, look, maybe there's some new direction from Treasury that came down and said, can't do memorials for people who passed away, but that just seems very odd. In any event, Council Member Hernandez and then Pham.
8:46:24Yeah, I was just going to say, well, obviously I second your motion, Council Member Lopez, but yeah, I really wanted to see this memorial as well. I know we're not done with the pandemic. and unfortunately COVID is still affecting a lot of people, but maybe we look to create maybe a mural or something at the blue lot, Mayor Proton. I think that that could potentially be a good location. I certainly would want to see a memorial in our city. That concludes my comments.
8:47:01Thank you, council member. Council member Fan.
8:47:32Thank you, Mayor. I wanted to support council member Lopez's motion in support of this item as i mentioned the 300 000 for a hotline or consultant is a one-time use of funds it is not ongoing in fact when we approved revives nana programming and funding there were a number of provisions in which we allocated funding and said staff go forth and find a consultant to fulfill this particular item that is no different from what we are doing today
8:47:38I want to address this issue of the memorial. I know it's really difficult, but staff, both the city manager's office as well as the city attorney's office informed us that unfortunately there's a lot of moving parts and it was not clear what federal guidelines were. I read through the guidelines, the short and long version, and it really wasn't clear exactly what was allowed. And at least for now, I don't think we're in the process of saying, yes, we'll approve this and then have to pay back $200,000 without kind of figuring where that comes from. So I
8:48:10support the motion by Casimo de Lopez and would ask that the city manager come back to us with another source of funding. Thank you.
8:48:49Great, thank you. I think everybody had a chance to speak on this, that wanted to. Why don't we go ahead and we have a substitute motion on the floor by Council Member Lopez, seconded by Council Member Hernandez, if I have that correct.
8:48:57Council members, please vote with that caveat from Mayor Pro Tem to have the city manager come back to us with some alternative source of funding.
8:49:14Okay, thank you.
8:49:25Motion passes by two with council members, Hernandez, Lopez, Van, Mayor Pro Tempeñalosa, Mayor Sarmiento voting yes. Council members Becerra and Mendoza voting no.
8:49:29Great, thank you. So we're done with the consent calendar, moving along to the first business calendar item number 18, which is the contract for the, I believe it's a restrooms for Campesino Memorial and Madison Park.
8:49:42I think we spoke for whatever reason, I thought we had addressed this, maybe not, but nothing from staff.
8:49:58It was an item I pulled from the previous meeting.
8:50:06Got it. No, I thought we discussed it at this meeting, not the prior meeting. So if we didn't, let's go ahead and just speak on this. Is there any questions or comments or a motion on this item?
8:50:09Well, actually, yeah, since I pulled the item, Mr. Mayor, my concern in looking at the design was that I think that the way it was proposed, you had an overhang and an alcove where the wash bases were that I think would be very attractive for certain folks to to amp out after hours, if you will. And so I was hoping to see some revisions to the design that would make those wash basin areas flush with the building. And I know Director Rudloff had reached out to her vendor and they were able to bring the overhang in, but the wash basin still have that little alcove that I think would just be probably a nightmare
8:50:22for law enforcement after dark.
8:51:03Did you have a picture of the revised? Yes. Yeah.
8:51:15So here the revised.
8:51:20Thank you.
8:51:23Okay. So what they did is they took some of the new bill, you're the expert. Come up here. They took the the roof down.
8:51:28and then they took the walls down. You also have these two little bars which are ADA, you know, required. And so I think there is, there might be this little alcove, this may be like a one foot space right here. Anything else? Although it is recessed and there is an area where an encampment can happen, but for the most part, the overhang of two feet was reduced all throughout the entire structure.
8:51:37And the area there will be active because people will be using it for drinking fountains. So having someone be there, most likely to be less than before.
8:52:20I only have two concerns and you've addressed one, which is the roof overhang. So thank you for that. This alcove, I think, is just a place where folks are going to camp out. So unless you guys can make it flush with the walls, I can't support it because I think it's going to become a nuisance. And I just, I'm sorry, I just wouldn't be able to support it.
8:52:34The issue with the fountain itself, it's ADA issues where you need to have access for, you know, if you bring it out, it can't be, it has to be recessed for access. Otherwise, it will be projecting out, not in compliance with the ADA access. You can't, you know, it will be
8:52:53underway. I understand that, but I imagine that there would be a concrete pad and probably some concrete around it to where one in a wheelchair could be able to wheel around because they would want to be able to wheel around to access the bathroom. So when we're talking about that little alcove with the wash basins, I think there was something when we met that showed a wash basin kind of recessed in by maybe a foot. This looks like an area where someone can camp out. Other examples that you showed me were things that were recessed slightly, but not enough to where if
8:53:18somebody was passing by, whether it was our park ambassadors or PD, that they wouldn't be able to to right away identify it. That alcove looks like somewhere that if someone's gone by, you're not gonna see somebody hiding out in there. And I understand there'll be activity because folks use the restroom, but my concern is after hours when there shouldn't be any activity there. And I wouldn't wanna see somebody camping out there after hours.
8:53:52Well, let's-What do you both think about maybe asking the chief, he's in the back, I mean, maybe he can give us his thoughts on, you know, is this creating a dangerous condition? Cause can it be designed differently? I mean we can always rethink this thing but but you know.
8:54:16Or just visibility, will you have difficulty? Will this, will the design that they just showed create some sort of hindrance to you know having somebody do something that's you know dangerous or hiding something or a place to hide? I think somebody could hide almost anywhere.
8:54:36but the issue is he's concerned so as they're taking a look at that um we'll get comments from the chief but what we can do is reach back out to the the company because we just reached out with some to try to minimize and so this is the best they could do in this in the short of time period
8:54:55can you bring it back and just you know see if see if they have there's a different design an augmented design maybe check in with the chief while you know have them take a look at it mayor
8:55:13go ahead thank you mayor i i just wanted to say that i had uh some similar concerns with the design of it just because of the you know we don't want to provide for spaces for people to congregate um so i would make a motion to continue the item for two weeks while you guys you know work with the vendors see if we could work on design of the item i'll stop the restrooms
8:55:21i'll second that all right we have a motion in a second it's not time sensitive right and Nabil on this. I mean, we wanna get bathrooms to these parks, obviously. But-
8:55:44They are in a back trade. What we have is really in back trade, so.
8:55:55Right, two weeks, I think, just to create a safe product and a product that everybody feels good about.
8:55:59Will do.
8:56:05Thank you. Seeing no comments, we have a motion and a second to continue this for two weeks.
8:56:05We wanna make sure we captured it. Was there an amendment to the motion?
8:56:14Okay. And council member Becerra seconded?
8:56:20Correct. Okay. Thank you.
8:56:23Council members, please cast your vote.
8:56:30I think the motion was that the chief designs the bathroom. Is that what it was?
8:56:34Just kidding. Thank you.
8:56:37Your motion passes 7-0 with council members, Becerra Hernandez, Lopez Mendoza, and Mayor Pro Tempeñalosa and Mayor Sarmiento voting yes.
8:56:48Great, thank you. Moving along to item number 19, which is the agreement with Barrios and Associates for the Ready OC. If you see something, say something campaign. Where's that consultant? Is she up anywhere? Just kidding. Sure, she's not around. I forget who pulled this item. Was that you, Council Member Lopez?
8:56:56I think it was you, but I can definitely provide my comment.
8:57:16So I guess this is part of the UWASI grant money that we're using, Chief? Correct. So I would like for us to try as much as possible to keep that money in the department. Like if we can think about water bomb squad needs, I would be very supportive of that as opposed to seeing this money go out out of the department.
8:57:21So thank you, Councilwoman, for that comment. This is part of the regional Owasi grant. So it's not specific controlled by the City of Santa Ana or the police department. It's part of a regional effort that's been in place since 2008, actually.
8:57:51Okay. What are other things that we could do?
8:58:12So this this is part of the countywide if you see something say something campaign along with radio see it covers communication on social media websites in person communication YouTube printed advertisements commercials apple android phone apps. There's a variety of different bilingual advertisement that occurs as well in Spanish and Vietnamese. I have a number of websites, so it's it's pretty robust and it's been in place for a number of years.
8:58:16Okay, so i'm just gonna make a motion to continue the item. I don't on my end there's no like urgency on it, and I think I just wanna kind of get together with you and storm a bit about about what other things we could do in terms of like digital outreach as opposed to doing something different maybe.
8:58:57Okay, so I just want to make a note that when you first approved this item back by August 7th or whatever date it was, that work continued. This is an ongoing contract countywide. So it's continued and then it was pulled to be reconsidered. So that's that's where we're at today. It was trailed a couple of times. So we can certainly have the conversation. But the work has continued. Okay.
8:59:18So then why are we talking about why is this on the agenda?
8:59:51Council Member, I'm not sure I understand your question so it's an ongoing campaign that has been done, but this is for a renewal period. I do believe what the chief is mentioning is that it the start date was September 21st for the continuation of the campaign with this vendor being the selected vendor. So we certainly can continue it. I think you can sit down with the chief and he can talk to you about what the parameters are on that grant and what the input is from the other lead agency that we alternate with over the control of these grant monies. I think you're going to find we are pretty limited in
9:00:06what we can use it for but we certainly can continue it for that discussion i think what the chief will need to do is to make sure that the vendor is not incurring any new expenses without a
9:00:43contract thank you for that clarification i'll make a substitute motion just to approve it as is
9:00:54so i i just wanted to say i did have a chance to speak with the uh with um Ms. Barrios, who's the principal at this consultant's office, my concern was, you know, is she just doing, or are they just doing, you know, digital social media stuff, hit a button, send emails. And I told her that we are trying to shift our outreach in all departments and in every effort to do a much more grassroots effort, because we know a lot of our residents just don't respond to a nixle or to an email and it just seemed like this is a very large contract i mean
9:01:04a million one for a you know an outreach effort so to the extent that she told me that she you know she will augment her efforts to make sure that she incorporates some of the um you know some of the adjustments i wanted her to make which is you know hey get into the community and go door knock go you know leaflet go do things like that in addition to what they're doing um and she said you know to my satisfaction that she would because those were my concerns so um i'm comfortable uh you know continuing it but at the same time i know that um she represented to me that she
9:01:40she would make adjustments and that she's you know uh comfortable making those changes i'll second Council Member Becerra's substitute motion.
9:02:16All right, so we have a motion, a substitute motion, and a second. Can, you know, maybe sit down with the council member and maybe with the vendor and go through some of the conversation items that we had, and maybe that to her satisfaction and there's something wrong, we can always bring it back to the council. Absolutely.
9:02:28Mayor if I might have misspoke I want to clarify with what I said. But as the chief had mentioned, you did initially approve the contract. So she did have approval to start, and then it was asked to be reconsidered. So there is a time period where she could have been working on it. So sorry if I said, I confused you with my previous comment.
9:02:46Right, so we moved to reconsider. We approved and then we moved it off. So, okay, and you know what? I completely forgot that council member Fan had her virtual hand raised. So I'm sorry, council member Fan, go ahead.
9:03:05No, I'm good.
9:03:18Thank you.
9:03:21Okay. Yeah, but she's two hours ahead of us. So it's, you know, it's still.
9:03:24Three, it's only half 30 here.
9:03:30Only, yeah. Anyways, thanks, council member Shan. So we have a substitute motion and a second on the floor, I believe, by Becerra and then seconded by Penalosa.
9:03:33Council members, please cast your vote.
9:03:46Council Member Lopez?
9:03:50Thank you.
9:04:02Motion passes 6-1 with Council Members Becerra, Hernandez, Mendoza, Fan, Mayor Pro Tem, Penalosa and Mayor Sarmiento voting yes, and Council Member Lopez voting no.
9:04:03great uh thank you everybody uh let me take something out of order i'm going to take item number 22 out of order because that is going to um include council member uh hernandez um and i'd like to i know he's not feeling well and for a very good reason i think um you know i you know i think he's ready to go after this item but i wanted to make sure he was present for item number 22 so i'm going to call that one out of order um yes go ahead councilman oh i'd like to state my
9:04:16recusal on this item as the I think the hotel the property developer and the applicant are clients of my firm my employer of a tenant to first so I will virtually exit the room and
9:04:46don't exit yet because I'm taking 22 out of order I'm advancing it.
9:05:02I'm not on the dais and will not be participating. This is the best way I can virtually remove myself from the dais.
9:05:07Got it. But what I'm saying is we're going to do item 22 before we do item number 20. So to the Hampton item, no, 20 is the Hampton is the Hampton item. 22 is the ad hoc for the police oversight committee. Oh, my apologies. No worries. No worries. So let me just advance the the item item 22, which is to establish and appoint members. members to the city council oversight ad hoc committee. And it's simply to be consistent with the other ad hocs that have been created and to publicly state who is going to be on that ad hoc committee.
9:05:14And I will be appointing council member Hernandez, council member Becerra and council member Lopez. Mr. Mayor. And this is really more of a receive and file, but go ahead.
9:05:55Now, I'm not interested in serving in the ad hoc, but I was going to say and indulge me for a second that because of the sensitivity and the substance of this item I'm happy to see it before us I know it was an agenda a council item that I brought forward last summer I believe with yourself and council member Becerra so I'm happy it's here but I'd like to see if maybe the council will entertain reinstating the public safety committee that was once here, I got to serve on it when I first got elected and we did away with all of them early last year in 2020.
9:06:07I think this is, I mean, perfect for something like a public safety committee, council committee to be reinstated and first item to address. I mean, and because of the sensitivity and make it transparent and open to the public and members of the public that wanna participate. Just an idea. Not sure if anyone would even want, but that would be, I guess, a motion of mine.
9:06:46Yeah, I don't think that it's mutually exclusive with what you're saying. I think as we're doing, I think with the next item, with item number 23, which began as an ad hoc and evolved into a standing committee, which is the school board collaboration city council subcommittee. I think because this one is needed, we had speakers here i think unfortunately we had this officer involved shooting just a week ago to the extent that we want to get this thing moving quickly i think that you know i would i would say that is a very good consideration i would like to see a standing committee on public
9:07:15safety as well reinstated i think just as a school collaboration committee is going to be a standing committee i think we eventually evolved to that but for purposes of now right now i'd like to just go ahead and go forward with the ad hoc and you know with those three appointees and hopefully we roll it over after that item is taken care of the police oversight then i think we roll it over into a a formal standing committee that would be just my comment on that if i may may that would
9:07:53be appropriate because this item it doesn't require any action it's merely on here for transparency sake you have the ability to appoint individuals to an ad hoc without actually having it on the agenda so this was just to be consistent um taking that other action would require us to
9:08:19come back on and i and i wanted to do that just in the presence of council member hernandez i know he said he's you know i think we're all tired but i think he's got even more of a reason to be uh exhausted at this point both physically and emotionally so um just for the record that's what the what that's what uh you know the appointment is going to look like thank you mayor pro temp for those comments because i do i would like to see this turn into a standing committee as well all right going back to item number 20. so if you need to exit or take your leave council member
9:08:35thank you please get some rest um understood understood um item number 20 is uh is the this is the item council member fan that you may want to virtually exit the room this is uh the second extension for the cup and variance for the Hampton Inn hotel project on North Main. I hope everybody had a chance to review this it's been on the calendar before. Is there any questions or comments or a motion on this? Mayor Mrakas- Mayor, I actually pulled this item as well from the last thing so
9:09:06this project what's before us tonight is an extension of a cup and multiple variances that came to the council i think back in possibly 2018 i know it came to the planning commission in 2017 when i served on that commission uh to to clarify a couple things the entitlements as i said they include multiple variants variances not a single variance uh one of these variances is for parking in an area that's already in need of more parking uh this project would include a hotel and multiple restaurants in existing buildings that have a historic nature, if you will.
9:09:42They're adjacent buildings that were old houses that have a historic value to them. And the applicant, I think through negotiating with the community, proposed to incorporate them in the project.
9:10:21So I think with right now, the way that the variances, as they were approved, I did not support the project back when I was on planning commission. And part of that had to do with the fact that the parking in that area, just with the surface lot as is, is already impacted. This project was going to bring an intense use to a site and was not going to be able to address the parking. So a lot of businesses and residents were going to lose parking and for a business that just couldn't even accommodate the use that was proposed. I also had concerns with the quality of the project.
9:10:36um you know in speaking with the applicant in the past um there were folks that asked him about maybe rooftop amenities and and what kind of hotel would be there and his attitude was really pretty much well this is what you're going to get and and i was offended by it frankly i i did not appreciate that i think that san yana deserves quality and so if you're going to put a hotel along this stretch of main street where you have another hotel that had some challenges i think there's a huge sensitivity to making sure that whatever hotel goes in along the stretch happens
9:11:11to have a certain quality involved and you know regardless of the brand that was going to be involved with this this hotel the fact of the matter is you you have um an applicant that was already proposing a project that really had a lot of shortcuts in relation to our city's development standards. The other thing as well that frustrates me is that, as I mentioned, there are historic buildings on the site. And if you've driven by the site anytime recently, you've got a site that looks like a nuisance property. And you've got these buildings that
9:11:46are eventually going to be demolished by neglect. It's a terrible situation. I think that, you know, especially after COVID, hotels are a little more challenging, you know, in this market. And I think the fact that this guy is not going for, you know, a continuation, he's going for his second continuation of these entitlements. I think the writing's on the wall, and I would like to see us as a council shake the etch-a-sketch, so to speak, and just start fresh on this property. We've seen these entitlements languish, that obviously there's nothing going to happen there.
9:12:24and to go ahead and grant an extension without any consideration or care for the property and to let it continue to be a nuisance is not fair. I know earlier this evening, Assistant Director Nunez was here, but I see Director Tai here. Can you tell me, regardless of what action this council takes on whether we grant these extensions of the entitlements. What's going to be done when it comes to the maintenance of that property, and especially those historic homes? Because I think right now, the shape that they're in,
9:13:00the neglect that's going on, I'm just really concerned about the well-being of those properties. So is this on your guys' radar, and what actions will be taken?
9:13:38the answer is yes and the action is separate from uh regardless of any action you take here tonight we still have code enforcement division engaged in getting the property owner to maintain and the property as well as the historical structures so director ty if i understand what you just said
9:13:48correctly so your your staff has engaged this applicant already so in other words this is an ongoing issue. So we're going to grant him potentially an extension of entitlements while he continues to thumb his nose at us when we're asking for him to just maintain the property. We're not even saying at this point, put sticks in the ground, do something. We're saying just maintain a surface parking lot and maintain the integrity of two historic buildings.
9:14:07As I mentioned, we have action already engaged with the property owner.
9:14:36Okay, and so that doesn't sit well with me. I know it. Let me rephrase it. Thank you for having action against the property owner for not maintaining the property. So thank you for that. But just the fact that you have to engage in those activities doesn't sit well with me. So rather than let the site sit for another year, I'd like to go ahead and move that we do not grant the second extension, the CUP and the variance for this project.
9:14:40And again, that we start with a clean slate and hopefully this parking lot could be used by neighboring businesses and residents again, and that through director tie and his staff, they can compel the property owner to. I guess maintain the property and make sure that the historic buildings are protected and safe.
9:15:06I'll second that motion. Great, we have a motion and a second council member Lopez.
9:15:27yeah i do have comments um and tie um how many properties do we have in the city that are that are maybe slated to be hotels that haven't been built yet or that will potentially come back
9:15:33to the city council and ask us for an extension this this is the only one that i know of that has entitlement um other hotel projects have been discussed but don't have entitlement it's part a department agreement so this is the only one i'm aware of that has a hotel with it um i know that the third and broadway project has a hotel component as well but that was just recently approved so it's not going to face an extension anytime soon um as this one is okay and what are
9:15:47the the shortcuts that um the project is seeking in terms of our standards the approval of of the
9:16:20project was done in 2018 and that approval included variants and as um council member who was actually on the the planning commission to approve at the time the standard sounds like it was related to parking as well as signage correct correct okay um so you know i definitely appreciate the concern
9:16:29but in terms of turning the law into parking that is something that before we all take a vote on it's something that I would like to see the city engage War III residents, the neighboring communities there to see if that's what they want to see there. So, you know, I want to make a sub motion that we continue the item and that in the meantime we go back to War III residents, give them an update on what's going on, what the discussion tonight was about, and say these are
9:16:50the options and what would what you know what is it that possibly you folks um support or wouldn't
9:17:25support here director ty is that even an option at this point from a timeline perspective because if you're coming back to us for a second extension that means there have been deadlines that have were potentially about to be missed hence why the application for the extension so So as we stand today, and I appreciate what my colleague is asking for, because yeah, it'd be great to have folks weigh in on what the future of the site could be. But is that an option for us at this point?
9:17:33So the approval application is to extend the expiration date was actually in August. So the extension would allow the application to have an additional one year extension. So the deadline has already passed. So if the council desires to have additional discussion outreach, I just need to be clear on what that is. And is that a part of this decision?
9:18:05I'm confused. So if the deadline's already passed, isn't this discussion a moot point?
9:18:33So historically, the way the city has worked with the applicant is that they would submit before the the expiration, which they did, and that the city would schedule it at the following meeting, which it was, and it's being continued. So that's why we're here. So we're about a month away because of the last time it was pulled and continued.
9:18:39But okay, but the fact of the matter is an extension wasn't approved in time. And this person, if he was, you know, interested in developing the site, should be keeping a watchful eye on the calendar. So if they knew that their entitlements were going to expire in August, I wouldn't wait till July 31st to apply for an extension. i mean i think most folks would probably apply with enough time to make sure it got on the calendar and obviously checking with staff to make sure of the appropriate timeline to get it through the appropriate approval so again to me and madam city attorney if you wouldn't mind chiming in
9:19:05i i feel like this is a good point uh well actually he did apply for the extension on a timely basis and that's what the practice has been within the planning department so he applied for the extension prior to the expiration.
9:19:41Does that legally preserve his entitlement rights?
9:19:56I think that you have the discretion under your ordinance. In this case, he did what he was supposed to do. It was really the city that did not process his application. But that's what I'm asking.
9:19:59Is he legally not practiced?
9:20:08I think he's legally, yes. I think he'd be legally entitled to. I think we'd have a problem with due process if we were not to hear him out. If we were to say, you applied, we did everything, but we, the city council, booted your item a couple times, AND NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO AFFORD YOU THE DUE PROCESS, I THINK WE'D HAVE A PROBLEM.
9:20:09NO, HE'S AFFORDED THE DUE PROCESS. HE'S TOLD WHEN HIS DEADLINE IS AND HE COULD HAVE APPLIED PLENTY OF TIME BEFORE THAT. SO NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DEADLINE IS A SHOULD, NOT A SHOUT.
9:20:27I THINK THE QUESTION FOR YOU IS YOU HAVE COMPLETE DISCRETION TO DO WHAT YOU WANT. IF THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO APPROVE IT, IT CAN. IF THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO APPROVE IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO.
9:20:36RIGHT, BUT I THINK FOR WHAT MY COLLEAGUE IS ASKING, I THINK IT'S A VERY FAIR QUESTION, is there an ability to go back out to the community and solicit input and that's in my opinion at this
9:20:48point that's not what this is for at this point you either decide as a city council that you're going to accept his application and if you don't accept his application then he's got to reapply for a new conditional use permit it will be costly and it will be timely so if we accept the extension
9:20:57we can go out and have all the outreach we want excuse me that we want but the reality is he will have the entitlement to proceed with the project that's agendized tonight? Correct. Unconditioned. Okay. So I don't know if you want to continue with your sub-motion.
9:21:13No, I can't.
9:21:28Okay, so my motion still stands that I would like to deny it, and I believe I have a second from Mayor Pro Tem.
9:21:31If you can assist us with articulating the finding for denial, we will come back with the resolution of formalizing the.
9:21:40No, man, on this one, we won't have to do that because no action just expires. So you don't have to do a resolution with findings.
9:21:49Understood.
9:22:01All right, so we have a motion and a second. Madam Clerk, do we, is council member Fan? No, she. No, okay. Any other council members want to speak? You know, I didn't hear all of the discussion, but I you know I understand the motion look to the extent that this second extension would be based upon the inability to you know fulfill and comply with the entitlement during COVID it made it really difficult I think and you know had we you know had had this you know developer had some time I think we've spoken about this whole issue with you know limited parking and the you know the ability to go ahead and develop this.
9:22:03You know, I know we're all looking at TOT improving in the city. You know, I would say, look, I'm supportive of council's recommendation to do the second extension. I, you know, don't agree that, you know, we have a irresponsible developer. I think the developer has some other projects in the city that he's worked on. But nonetheless, I just think that, you know, the value of working with him um and working with that project to uh you know increase uh you know the the the tot there uh we've had sort of the discussion about whether or not it's going to
9:22:45impact parking to the other uh businesses and you know the two historic homes but look i'm simply gonna not support that i'm still supportive of the um of staff's recommendation so we'll go ahead and and hear this motion and take a vote on the motion as stated.
9:23:24Council members, if you can please cast your vote.
9:23:45Council member Lopez.
9:23:54Okay, motion passes. Oh no, motion fails with Council Member Becerra, Mendoza and Mayor Pro Tem voting yes. Council Member Hernandez absent. And Council Member Lopez and Mayor Sarmiento voting no.
9:24:07Three, two.
9:24:24Oh, is that a fail?
9:24:26You need four to pass. So you have Council Members Becerra, Mendoza, Mayor Pro Tempe, and Alosa voting yes. You have council member Lopez and mayor Sarmiento voting no. You have council member fan who recused or abstained.
9:24:28I understand madam senator, is that true?
9:24:43We need four. So certain actions under your charter that require four votes. Those are resolutions ordinances and the expenditure of money. So if you just give me a moment, asking tough questions at 350, but I'll get you the answers.
9:24:46I was just going to state because I believe this has happened in the past, Madam City Attorney, and your answer was that a majority of the quorum would. Usually the answer is the majority of the
9:25:02quorum. The charter only applies when there is a resolution ordinance or the expenditure of money is my recollection, so I just want to verify. So your motion was not to approve the extension, which doesn't require a resolution. If the resolution was required, I know for sure you would need four votes. Otherwise it's action, simple majority action, but I'm just gonna double check your city charter real quick.
9:25:16Can we take another item while you're looking at that
9:25:47and just revisit this?
9:25:49I just wanna make sure given the land.
9:25:50Yeah, go ahead and take a look at that. We'll come back to, you know, to get an explanation on that. I believe the next item is item number 21. Go ahead. Did you want to talk on 21 or did you have a presentation or just ready to answer questions? Great. Was this something somebody pulled or was it just continued over from the previous mayor? I think it was a business item. It was continued mayor. Got it. All right. So this is the two resolutions to appoint Ken Gaminski as classification of as a homeless services division manager.
9:25:52So really briefly, Mayor and Council, as we expand our homeless services efforts, we needed an additional resource that was experienced in this, particularly as we phase out police involvement in it. We need someone that has filled operations that can help oversee the vendor as well as determine on those rare instances where police involvement is needed. this gentleman has the skill set to do that he has extensive experience he has good relationships with the federal court the reason it's before you you're probably wondering why can't i just hire a part-time person and why is it before you as a council it's because
9:26:27of requirements of calpers when an individual retires from calpers there's strict guidelines to bring them back as a part-time retired annuitant. And it does involve the elected body to make the appointment and approve it to meet the CalPERS guidelines. So that's why it's even before you.
9:27:07Great. Let me just ask on this one, Madam City Attorney, is this a simple majority or do we need four on this? Because it's-
9:27:27I understand this involves a resolution which would require four votes.
9:27:36Okay. All right. I just wanted to make sure we understood that before we discussed any questions or comments from the Council Council Member Lopez and then Mayor Proton with that.
9:27:39Council member ties to that.
9:27:50So Council Member Lopez and.
9:27:54So we already hired Ken. No, this is creating the position and then appointing him to the position.
9:27:57Okay, I thought I read a congratulatory letter in here.
9:28:06Oh, contingent upon your approval. So did we offer him employment? Contingent on approval.
9:28:12Okay, so we did.
9:28:21So I guess I just want more clarification on what exactly his role is going to be when we're talking about, you know, him managing or helping manage the homelessness crisis here in the city of Santa Ana.
9:28:25okay I will have assistant city manager Stephen Mendoza who oversees the homeless service division within the community development talk about what we anticipate he'll be working on thank
9:28:43you Councilmember Lopez as you know we're our homeless services department is busy onboarding a new Carnegie shelter we're building a shelter as you know and so our Our staff resources are busy with that and are busy with managing the contracts and the grants and the reporting on the grants that we're working on related to the funding of homeless dollars coming in from the feds from the state and other different avenues. And as we've reported out, we've had over 21,000 emergency calls in the last 12 months regarding homeless. um we've always wanted to alleviate some of the pressure on the police department and get towards
9:28:54a more non-profit based response to homeless and then the second tier will be the mental health care aspect through boo be well oc which you'll see on a future council agenda and so this is that bridge between the police department and our staff in order to implement those programs and to smooth them over and make sure we are indeed reducing the resources of the police department in responding to homeless calls and homeless related impact calls right and i totally 100 um want the city
9:29:35to move in that direction of you know removing that burden from our police department because i don't think it's fair and i've said that publicly many times um so my understanding is that we're hiring can essentially, you know, to be the point of contact where people call instead of the police, they're not going to call whatever number that is, and he's gonna route them
9:30:12to. He'll oversee the vendor that will man the alternative 911. He won't be taking the calls himself. He'll be overseeing basically the filled component of our homeless outreach. And what exactly is Is that component? So right now, you know, we have a quality of life team that is a cross departmental team. And so when there is a homeless issue or a call, they are dispatched to it. And it does include a makeup of police officers. So what we're going to be doing is supplementing with a nonprofit provider to do that and eliminating the police aspect of it and divert the 9-1-1 calls.
9:30:34So if a 911 call goes into CityNet and they're dispatched, he's going to be the one to ensure that the nonprofit provider is responding. And if there is a need, he would be the one to make a determination if there is even a need for any police involvement. And then he would also be overseeing them in their outreach services using his expertise with the work that he's done here for umpteen years in identifying where we have our hot spots and continuing with the oversight of the nonprofit provider.
9:31:16Okay, and just out of curiosity, why didn't we pull somebody from the quality of life team since they already do this work?
9:31:49Well, they would, that is an existing police officer? Right. Well, we wanted to eliminate the public safety component for it and move completely to a nonprofit. And as a retired annuitant working as a homeless service manager, he is not a law enforcement officer.
9:31:55His background is just in law enforcement. Correct. Got it. So do we normally start all of our new employees at the max rate pay?
9:32:12So based on this, it's an existing classification and that is the existing rate of pay. So other than you making it a position that's eligible for a retired annuitant, you're not approving the pay range. That's already an existing pay range. And it's at the $84.47 and cents, that is, there is no benefits, there's no additional cost to that. That merely is the component. So when you compare that to when we hire a consultant, it's actually a very favorable rate for the city to be paying for that level of expertise in this area. Okay, thank you.
9:32:23Great, thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. Thank you, Mayor Salminto. I'd like to make a motion to approve item 21.
9:33:01All right, we have a motion by Mayor Provenza Peñalosa, a second by Council Member Mendoza. Seeing no other questions or comments, the only comment I would say is that, you know, as we separate or as we, you know, as the whole idea of transitioning away these calls for service that involve sensitive responses having to do with, you know, welfare checks, mentally ill people experiencing homelessness we really do want it to be a purely civilian effort that we know at moments may need some police support when when the condition becomes dangerous
9:33:15we all get that but the idea is to hopefully make a clean separation the fact that ken you know knows the city well you know is intimately familiar and i think one of the values is is that he is very well respected by uh judge federal district court judge carter to me is a big benefit i'm not crazy about the fact that he's a former law enforcement uh you know officer that's something that i think as long as he's not going to be doing anything under that capacity he's not with law enforcement he will use his background and experience as a law enforcement officer to be that bridge i like
9:33:53that word but i you know again i'm not totally you know you know and i respect ken for his work and his experience but the fact that we are trying to make a separation here so maybe we do use it as a bridge but it's not a permanent bridge um you know hopefully that's something that we keep in mind and you know i can support it because of the relationship there the strong relationship with with uh you know judge carter so understand your concerns and he is a he will be a civilian in this
9:34:30role you probably won't recognize him because he will be in civilian clothes.
9:34:59I thought you were going to say he was going to have hair and
9:35:04anyways all right so we have a motion and a second on the floor. Did you do you need to repeat who the motion was by and who the second it was
9:35:09I captured council member I'm sorry Mayor Potempea Lessa motion and council member
9:35:16Mendoza as a second. Seeing no other questions or comments colleagues please vote.
9:35:22Council member Lopez, thank you.
9:35:32Motion passes, I'm at 6-1 with council members Becerra, Lopez Mendoza, and Mayor Pro Tempeñalosa, Mayor Sarmiento voting yes. Council member Hernandez absent.
9:35:36Great, moving along to item number 23, because we already addressed item 22, this is to appoint two or three members to the city council, to the school collaboration city council subcommittee. So I simply was gonna go ahead and just, appoint the existing members of the ad hoc committee on the school collaboration to the standing committee and I forget who that is who's on that ad hoc committee do
9:35:46it's a council member Hernandez Mendelsso and myself and that was a recommendation that the ad hoc
9:36:12made to the entire council great so I'll be consistent with the ad hoc and just say if those three members and I feel bad that council member Hernandez isn't here but you know he probably was in support of transitioning to this as well. I think I received a message from him saying that he would like to be considered as I did from council member Mendoza as well. And from you council member Lopez. So those will be the recommendations for those three members from the ad hoc to transition to the standing committee on this school collaboration.
9:36:16So on this one, Mayor, we would need you to take an action to appoint them since it is a subcommittee, not an ad hoc.
9:36:45Great. So those are the recommended appointees for that standing committee and I'll entertain a motion. I'll make a motion to approve the item.
9:36:51So these will be staffed, right?
9:36:59It will be staffed through Lisa Rudloff in the Parks and Rec Division and schedule your first meeting and then the first order.
9:37:02Made public, right?
9:37:10Yes, subject to the Brown Act. And at the first meeting, I think we need to tackle who you're going to invite and in what capacity to help you work on the collaboration. Got it.
9:37:11Perfect. So I'll make that motion.
9:37:22I'll second.
9:37:23Great. We have a motion by Mayor Pro Tem. I'm a second by council member Lopez. Seeing no other discussion, let's go ahead and vote.
9:37:24Motion carries six one with council members, Becerra Lopez Mendoza-Fan, Mayor Pro Tempe, and Elissa, Mayor Sarmiento voting yes, and council member Hernandez absent.
9:37:35Madam city attorney, do we have number 20 that's pending and you've got a response for us on that?
9:37:45Yes, we do. So in accordance with section 410 of the charter, It says that no ordinance, resolution, or motion shall be passed, adopted, or become effective unless it receives the affirmative vote of a majority of the full membership. So majority of the full membership would be four. That means it's a resolution, an ordinance, or a motion cannot be effective unless it receives the affirmative vote of a majority of the full membership. and what we've had happen in the past is where you have an abstention without reason like in
9:37:49this case we had an abstention due to a conflict of interest it's called a legal abstention when you have an abstention just because someone doesn't want to vote you can count that abstention towards the majority I think that's the condition that mayor pro tem was referring to we've had situations where you've had an abstention count but this the charter is clear that you need four votes for a motion, an ordinance, or a resolution.
9:38:28All right, so we had a legal abstention by Council Member Fan on this, so we can't count that. So it fails as a 3-2?
9:38:52You would need four votes to take action on that item.
9:39:00All right, so if it fails, do we need a motion to adopt as a majority?
9:39:03You could, or I guess if it doesn't have action, it is going to fail on its own because you will have had the public hearing, you will have had the hearing on it and there's no action. So because it will expire on its own terms, it will fail for lack of action by the council unless you have four votes.
9:39:10Yeah, because I can't imagine where we move to the recommended item. I think we're just gonna have that vote inverse. So it'll fail that way as well. So it'll fail by its own lack of momentum here, right? So do we just let it stand or do we need further action on that or just that?
9:39:26um no action failed action is no action so it would report it would be reported as not being
9:39:49approved look if you need a motion to recommend the item and it fails just to make the record
9:39:55clean is that what you'd like or is that i i think i think we we have that captured so you considered the item and it's it failed now the vote you were considering though was to deny
9:40:01Right.
9:40:17Deny the approval.
9:40:18So that failed. That's why I was saying we would have to have a motion.
9:40:19So with failure to approve it, it expires on its own.
9:40:23There's a rule that says where there's no action, it is deemed a denial.
9:40:26All right, so this would be considered no action, right?
9:40:31Does everybody concur? All right.
9:40:35I got it.
9:40:41we'll let it die by its by its own inaction I guess um okay moving along to the uh next item Councilmember requested items this is uh number 26 by Councilmember Becerra uh regarding curfew man this is way overdue you should have done this like 12 hours ago so real quick do we do we still
9:40:44have um public hearing item 25? Correct I was just gonna bring that up I'm sorry did we I thought
9:41:02We had two public hearing items, right?
9:41:07We did have two public hearing items and one was-
9:41:09I'm sorry, good call. Thank you. Let me go ahead and ask the Madam Clerk if we have any instructions in the public. Do you wanna go ahead and state those instructions and put those on the record?
9:41:11We do have three attendees left virtually. We have none in person.
9:41:25There were no written communications provided, for public hearing item 25. If any member of the public who wants to provide a comment on public hearing item 25, please dial star nine or virtually raise your hand through Zoom.
9:41:33We do not have anyone who wants to provide a comment at this time.
9:41:57Great. So this is item number 25, and this is the time and place for a public hearing on the consolidated annual performance and evaluation report.
9:42:02I'm sorry, we need to open and close the hearing.
9:42:12Yeah, let me go ahead and do that. So I'm gonna ask staff first if there's any presentation. I assume there isn't. So I'm gonna go ahead and open the public hearing and bring it back to council to see if there's any questions or comments or a motion on this, or if there's any questions or comments. Seeing none, I'm gonna go ahead and close the public hearing and entertain a motion from any members of the council on this item.
9:42:16I'll make a motion to approve item 25.
9:42:45Second.
9:42:49Okay, we have a motion by Mayor Pro Tem, a second by council member Mendoza.
9:42:50Members, please cast your vote.
9:42:56We saw you nodding.
9:43:03Motion carries six one. Council members Becerra, Lopez, Mendoza, Fan, Mayor Pro Tempeñalosa and Mayor Sarmiento voting yes. And council member Hernandez absent.
9:43:05Great. Now going back to council, to item number 26, council requested item. And I'll ask council member Becerra if he really wants to bring this up at this time.
9:43:16You know what? We're on a roll, so why not? So I decided couldn't be more appropriate as we talk about at 4.05 AM the next day. So I think we're all concerned about our meetings and the idea of we want to fulfill the opportunities for folks to provide input and comment. But at the same time, our city council, we need to be able to conduct the business for the residents and stakeholders of the city. And so what I wanted to bring forward to this council was consideration of curfew rules, and this is not something that's brand new.
9:43:26Other cities have done it just a quick sampling Berkeley. Good old Berkeley. No council meeting shall continue past 11 p.m. Unless a 2 thirds majority of the council votes to extend the meeting to discuss this specific items. Redwood City has a almost the exact same rule and locally here in our backyard Mission Viejo. Same thing meeting curfews 11pm with a 3 fifths vote because they have five members, 3 fifths vote of their Council is required to extend the meeting beyond 11pm.
9:44:08So I think it's something that, you know, after our last couple of meetings, I think not only I'm going to say staff, I'm going to be so bold to say staff, probably most of the folks on this dais and the community would appreciate knowing that there is a point where we would actually either stop or hit the pause button and continue at a reasonable hour. So that's my suggestion and recommendation to my colleagues. and I hope there's enough support to ask. And I know on here it says the city manager's office, but I think it probably would actually fall under the city clerk's purview.
9:44:44But regardless, just to see if there's enough support to see the item move forward and brought back to us.
9:45:24Great, thank you for that. Any questions or comments from the council?
9:45:31Mayor, this is Ty. Yes, council.
9:45:38Go ahead, council member.
9:45:40Thank you. Yeah, I totally understand why I asked you bring this forward and I would consider it. However, I would like to see something posted to probably 1am. I know that is still pretty late, but I'm pretty sure since joining this council, I've had one, maybe two council meetings and before midnight. and a huge part of that is because we have a ton of really amazing engagement by our residents and you know that is how public comments go i would also ask that if we do continue items
9:45:42due to curfew issues that the council set a time for a an adjourned meeting as a special meeting what we've seen is that when there are items that are you know that have a lot of public comments when we continue it to the next meeting we still have a lot of public comments on the you know the general public comments section and i think having something like a special meeting in between would allow us to address the issues so that's all i have for tonight thanks great thank you council
9:46:21member fan any other questions or comments um council member lopez and then mayor pro tem
9:46:54yeah i similar agreements with council member fan i think that there's a lot that we can do um to prevent long meetings perhaps you know not have you know we've talked about this before christine like not have 40 agenda items on an agenda um i think when we're planning for the upcoming year with the budget that has to be its own special meeting and if we need two or three that's fine i know i'm not a fan of limiting our city council meetings we're not a small town we're not mission viejo um although i like going and seeing you know what their problems are you know
9:47:01they're they really don't compare to our city um i like the flexibility that the council has to to pick up or discuss urgent items as they come forth. This is probably the second long meeting or third. It doesn't happen often. I know it's hard, but I don't think our job needs to, is to make barriers for people to interact with their local government. And if I was a resident and I was turned around at 10 PM or 12 AM and asked to come back the next day, I probably wouldn't because you know what guarantees me to make that public comment on the next day.
9:47:37So you know i'm i'm happy to talk about other things that we could do around this. But you know this is I see it as part of the job that I ran for, and I accepted, and you know it's it's not about me. So let's just get the work done great.
9:48:18Thanks for that Mayor Proton. Thank you, Mayor Sarmiento. I definitely agree with all three of my colleagues, Councilor Becerra, Fenn, and Lopez, so far what's been said. You know, nobody, you know, I feel, I don't feel for myself, I could be here, I mean, I gotta be at work in three hours, so looking forward to that.
9:48:36But, you know, I feel for our staff and members of the public as well that do wait and have to be here with us. So it's a job we were elected to do, it's not easy, but maybe we could work in maybe restructuring or looking at different ways where we could look at the agenda and say, you know, if there's, depending on the item, I mean, if it's a public hearing or a business item or ordinance, we automatically move forward before everything else. Not public comment, but I'm saying, you know, like,
9:49:00I don't know there's just ways that we could we could just go by by meeting by meeting and how we want to move things around to try to consolidate the time that that it takes us to get through it so um definitely open to have a broader discussion um yeah thank you that's good comments I was going
9:49:37to agree with that as well it sounds like what everybody's saying is can we bring something back with a lot of options um not crazy about the word curfew for anything um i think if we see a really robust item maybe what we could do is we could start earlier i've seen that done at council meetings as well i want to be respectful of staff because if we start earlier you all are already in the work date right so we can start let's say at three or something and if we would have started at three we would have been done right around 1 a.m where um you know council member fan was
9:49:58talking about so you know to the extent that we do something we know when something's going to be heavy and it doesn't happen often but yeah we all kind of signed up for it but you all i you know for staff i want to be sensitive to staff but i think also for people who say that this isn't transparent and this is being done in the you know dark of night it is dark but it's being filmed and you know and it's you know we've got video you know recording of it so madam clerk will you kind of scour other cities and options because i've tried to see about having us kind of police
9:50:28ourselves and say you know let's not go beyond three minutes let's do maybe one round and try to be as brief as possible on our end so to the extent we can curtail our comments that would be great um so look just bring back some options to us and we can to be clear um maybe comparable cities with our function you know just some ways to maybe you know either compress the time split the time or maybe just you know extend the time start earlier so just different options including the curfew idea but um we'll have some other options besides just that there i just want
9:50:58to address a couple comments i know what i signed up for and so i i'm here it's quarter after four so it's not like i don't want to be here but it's out of respect for children and for working families that do need to get up in the morning you don't have the luxury of being able to be up at quarter quarter after four. So if this idea doesn't work, so be it. But I'm throwing the ideas out there because I think it's an important issue that we figure out how to do this. We are a big city. Now, staff will cringe, but maybe we need more meetings. Maybe that's
9:51:31the case. But I think it's trying to be respectful of our community and trying not to say, hey, now nobody's saying that we're not being transparent by being at quarter after four tonight. I I think the fact is, is it's quarter after four in the morning. And so I think that isn't something that even your Los Angeles's and your other large cities are doing. And so even with the city of LA, they meet three times a week. I sure don't believe we need to meet three times a week, but I like the mayor's suggestion that maybe we do start earlier. But I think it's important to respect our communities schedules and times.
9:52:03Got it. So I think staff is clear on the recommendation and direction given by the council.
9:52:42Yes, go ahead, council member.
9:52:50Mayor Mrakas- All just mayor is someone talking because I didn't hear anything.
9:53:17Mayor Mrakas- Council Member Mendoza is making her comments.
9:53:37Mayor Mrakas- Maybe her mic wasn't on it's on there it is. The light is on.
9:53:41And and so we also need to be cognizant of the public. I mean, they have jobs and they also need to get some rest as well. And as I mentioned earlier, we're not as productive and it's it's we could have better and more efficient use of our time. And I'm agreeable to starting the meetings earlier. and if that will get us closer to the 11 o'clock hour because that's a very reasonable. So I'm willing to stay here as long as all of you are, but tell you it's really exhausting
9:53:49and it's not good for our health. We need to maintain our health. We don't want to have any immune weaknesses because if you don't get the proper rest you know what happens your immune system suffers and so we don't want that happening and us getting sick or coming down with COVID because our resistance is low so we need to take a look at all of that and I'm exhausted
9:54:29thank you for those comments good points um all right so staff has direction from us on that item let me go ahead and recess the city council meeting and convene the housing authority meeting
9:55:01so let me go ahead and call the meeting to order madam clerk if you'll please
9:55:14conduct roll call authority member becerra here authority member hernandez is absent And authority member Lopez. Here. Authority member Mendoza. Here. Authority member Fan. Here.
9:55:17Vice chair Peñalosa. And chair Sarmiento.
9:55:33Here. So, madam clerk, do we have any speakers for these items?
9:55:36No, mayor, we do not.
9:55:41Okay, I'll entertain a motion to move the consent calendar. So moved.
9:55:42Second.
9:55:48We have a motion and a second. No discussion.
9:55:49no further comments should we vote by the device i don't see anything online
9:55:53please vote daisy registered me as a yes thank you
9:56:15Okay, motion passes 5-2 with council members, Becerra Lopez, Mendoza, Fan, and Mayor Sarmiento voting yes. And council member Hernandez and Mayor Potempo Nielsa absent.
9:56:30Great, thank you for that. I'll go ahead and adjourn the housing authority meeting and reconvene the city council meeting and ask the city manager if there are any announcements. She's nodding her head no. I'll come back to the City Council for those who didn't speak earlier if they have any comments here at the end Council Member Becerra. Council Member Lopez.
9:56:41Illegally I have to make the AB 123 disclosure Council Member Fann and I attended the League of Conference Cities on September 22nd September 24th. I was voting as a voting delegate earlier this year by my peers and I sit in the revenue and taxation policy committee and Council Member Fan and I both worked together to vote on two resolutions that were presented at the conference. And I will circle those resolutions via email to the Council members and that's it, thanks.
9:57:01Thank you. Council Member Fan.
9:57:33Yes, Mayor, I also have to make the disclosure that I attended the League of Conference Cities Conference in Sacramento. I also attended a retreat with the Metropolitan Water District in Temecula, but that was favored by the Metropolitan Water District. And I look forward to those resolutions and we'll be addressing them next time. Thanks.
9:57:36Great, thank you. The only comment I had was I forgot to mention in my earlier public comments is that the ad hoc is recommending that staff bring back the WHO and just bring it back for consideration at the Planning Commission and the City Council. I think that was implicit after our last study session but I just wanted to go ahead and remind the um director of planning with that we are adjourned I have a quick comment yes oh I'm sorry
9:57:54go ahead well being the representative on the Orange County Water District I was concerned about that oil spill where the 126 000 gallon oil spill began on Friday from an oil leak offshore or oil rig, which is approximately six miles of the Huntington Beach coastline. And so by Sunday, October 3rd, it had reached the coastline and contaminating local beaches and portions of the area's wetlands affecting fish, birds and other ocean wildlife. So the Orange County Healthcare Agency has issued a health advisory for the residents who were possibly exposed to oil contaminants.
9:58:16and cleanup efforts are underway with local, county, state and federal officials. So I just wanted to be sure that the public is informed that although our governor has issued a state of emergency regarding this oil spill, that it does not affect Orange County Water District's water supplies. The O. C. W. D. Drinking water supplies have not been impacted by the the recent spills and the district manages and protects the Orange County groundwater basin so the water is safe to
9:58:58drink here in Santa Ana and other local cities so and so the and that was my message that the drinking water supplies were not threatened by their recent oil spill and that's the end of my
9:59:33comments great thank you so with that we're going to I'm going to go ahead and adjourn to the next meeting on october 19 2021 good morning everybody
9:59:49I am happy to do this to all of you. I am happy to do this to all of you. Thank you.
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