Read the May 3 meeting.

Seguimos.

¿Para qué vas a seguir? Entiéndeme, yo te amo. Y luchar por una vida que vale la pena, eso es amor, entiéndelo amor. Y yo tengo letón, yo te tengo perdón, yo te tengo más que eso Yo te tengo amor, te quiero dar todo lo que quieras

Quieras ser amor, corazón

The name I never never never

I never never I never never I never never I never never I never never I never never I never never I never never I never never I never never I never never I never never I never never I never never

It's the soul that tells me, that tells me that I'm going to die.

I love you.

Thank you.

The Lion King I love you.

I love you.

I love you.

The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King

The Lion King I love you.

I love you

The Lion King I love you.

I love you.

I love you.

How to say that my part is mine, the skin of my bones, that have fallen the esquemas of my life.

The Lion King Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion Lion

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The

The The The The

The

The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King The Lion King

The The The The The The The The The

The The The The The The The The

The

The

Thank you.

I love you.

I love you.

Thank you.

Let's go.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We'll see you then.

The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The

Thank you.

I love you.

I love you.

I love you.

I love you.

I love you

I love you

Thank you.

I love you

I love you.

I love you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I love you

The The The The The The The The The The The

The The The

The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The

The

The Let's go.

The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The

The The The The Let's go.

The The The The The

The The The

The The The The The The The The The The

The The The

The The

The The The The The The The The The The The The

The The The The

The I love you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I love you.

Thank you.

The towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel towel

The The The The The The The The The The The The The

The The Let's go.

Thank you.

I love you

Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

¿Ahora qué vas a olvidar?

Yo te he ido tanto te può

¿Ahora qué vas a olvidar? ¿Ahora qué vas a olvidar? Si solo quiero tu amor

It's the love that me What do you say to me?

I want to give you all, all, all, all, all, all, all I want to give you all, all, all, all, all Yo sí sé de amar, sí sé de amor, corazón, corazón soul

You'll find me before

I'll never leave you alone

¿Para qué vas a seguir?

¿Entiende me? ¿No te amo? ¿Y luchar por una vida que vale la pena? Eso es amor, entiendo amor Y yo tengo letón, yo te tengo perdón Yo tengo más que eso Yo te tengo amor, te quiero dar todo lo que quiero

Quieras ser amor

Corazón

Se llama

Eres mi, eres mi corazón Eres mi corazón Yo te quiero con amor Entendiendo

Que el dolor Mi perdón Se llama

It's the soul that tells me, that tells me that you're a sinner

It's the soul that tells me, that tells me that you're a sinner

The minute I'll never leave me late

The minute I'll never leave me late The minute I'll never leave me late The minute I'll never leave me late

The minute I'll never leave me late The minute I'll never leave me late The minute I'll never leave me late The minute I'll never leave me late The minute I'll never leave me late The minute I'll never leave me late The minute I'll never leave me late The minute I'll never leave me late The minute I'll never leave me late I love you.

Take care.

The Lion King

The Lion King

I love you

I love you

I love you.

I love you

I love you

I love you.

I love you.

I love you.

The Augen Augen The Augen Augen The Augen Augen The Augen Augen The Augen Augen The Augen Augen Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Let's go.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The Lion King Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

Thank you.

Council members and members of the public, we're going to convene this meeting as a presentation and not a formal city council meeting since we weren't able to obtain a quorum. and we will proceed with a presentation by the demographer, Paul Mitchell, and also receive public testimony.

So it's clear, Madam Clerk, and to my colleagues and those in the public, obviously to convene a formal meeting we need four members at least four members of the city council and we weren't able to achieve that quorum because four of our colleagues were unable to attend so what we wanted to do at this point is this isn't convening a formal city council adjourned meeting but we're but we did want to have an opportunity to have the public listen to the demographer since you all made an effort to be here and this was a meeting to receive information

So to the extent this is more of a public forum and gathering and not a formally recorded meeting, and this can't be used as a formal meeting, but nonetheless we have the demographer here, we have the information here. So to the extent we wanted to have him provide information to those of you who are interested in participating in the future, we think this would be an opportunity for you to be able to do that, and we didn't want to waste this opportunity because all of you were here.

So we're all here to listen. As members of the council, we're also here as the public to listen to what the consultant has to say and listen to your questions as well if you'd like to comment during the process.

Thank you for having me here. Paul Mitchell with Redistricting Partners, and I'm happy to be back and happy to talk with you about the redistricting process. just for the record most of the time when we do these kind of community forums we don't even get the pleasure of having a number of council members these hearings really are for the public and they really are for an opportunity for us to listen to whatever input we can get about the communities of interest and how people view these lines and I think it's definitely a benefit to have the council members here and participating I think that means a lot but the the real question in

the law and in the process is are we inviting the public and making opportunities for the public to participate so again thank you for being here and thank you for having me but the most important people in the room and listening are those who are going to be inputting public comments a little bit about me since we came in last time at a rather busy hearing our company redistricting partners is a and political data incorporated is Gary Brown is another person who's going to be working on this project with us redistricting partners is a company that's been

working all throughout the state of California done a little bit of national work but mostly in California on redistricting and redistricting in California encompasses really two things it encompasses the drawing of lines which most people are really familiar with but it also involves a lot of racially polarized voting analysis and research and background to determine in California in particular vulnerability that cities, school districts, community college districts, water districts and others have to the California Voting Rights Act and the questions about whether or not the use of at-large districts are legal in a jurisdiction.

My racially polarized voting analysis has gone all throughout the I've done racially polarized voting analysis for cities, school districts, water districts, community colleges. In total, more than a hundred different jurisdictions that we've done racially polarized voting for. We've also done the actual districting process for over 50 jurisdictions, including cities, school boards, community colleges. Right now, I'm in the process of doing a redistricting for water districts, one of which is having their meetings on Tuesday nights.

So as you might have remembered last hearing, I was here after having just done a redistricting hearing about an hour away up in Rancho Cucamonga for a water district. The process is one that can involve the public and can really benefit from that input. I'm really hoping that through both the public hearings and what we'll talk about at the end of today's meeting, the engagement online, we can get a lot of input from the public as we draw these lines.

If people have questions about that or about some of my other work, I'm more than happy to go into that, but right now maybe go into the basic presentation about the CVRA. So first off, when we talk about the California Voting Rights Act, there are a couple terms that I'll just kind of blurt out, but let me define them a little bit. First off, I already mentioned that part of my work is doing racially polarized voting analysis. That is a fancy way of really saying, is there voting happening in an area where race is a predominant factor in the way people are making choices?

And we see that almost throughout California in a number of different elections. And then secondly, we have this term, an at-large election. And that's what we have here in the city of Santa Ana. And we have a number of different cities around the state. In an at-large election, you might have wards like we have here. You might have no requirement of where somebody lives. But in essence, everybody in the city is voting together in an election without regard to any kind of geographic boundary. And it's funny, but at-large elections used to be a remedy. When the progressives started forming cities in California,

a lot of the concern was that in places like in Chicago on the East Coast, ward elections and district elections allowed for a lot of corruption. And the idea was that ward bosses in the 20s and 30s were controlling elections, so let's have at-large elections instead, and that that reform would allow for the vote of the people and remove some of the political power that might happen in wards. Now, fast forward 100 years, that whole thinking has flipped. Now what was seen as a reform is now seen as something that has another different problem,

and that is that at-large elections have an ability to dilute the voting power of certain communities. And so that's why the state passed the California Voting Rights Act to transition away from at-large elections and to rather put cities, school districts, water districts, all other kinds of agencies in California into districted election systems and eliminating at-large systems. Just for reference, all 58 of the state's counties are now in districted systems. There are hundreds, literally hundreds of school districts and community colleges that have converted, and we're seeing a lot more cities convert now.

One of the big distinctions between California and federal law has to do with under what circumstances you would be required to draw districts. Under federal law, we hear a term called majority-minority. And what that means is that if you have an area where you can draw a district where the majority of the population is going to be a minority group, then you have to pay attention to that.

You might have to be required to draw that. Whether it's congressional district lines, legislative district lines, or city council lines, if there's a possibility to draw a district where you have a majority minority population, and the decision instead is made to break that into three districts or four districts where that minority group is diluted, that would not be legal under federal law. state law makes it even more it liberalizes it state law says that you have to draw districts if an ethnic population is large enough to influence the outcome of an election so that distinction is state law says

you have to draw districts if that group, that ethnic minority group could influence the outcome of an election which might be 20 or 30 percent Federal law says you have to draw that district if that minority group is over 50%. We might have a situation here where the Asian population, as an example, meets both thresholds. The Asian population likely could be drawn into a district where they could influence the outcome of an election, and it's very likely, I won't say until after we actually start drawing the districts, it's very likely the Asian population has enough to be able to be considered a majority-minority district.

So that makes it not just a concern about state law, but a concern about federal law.

In redistricting, we are adjusting the boundaries of the lines, and in this process we're adjusting the boundaries of the lines and converting to a system where only the people in that district will be voting for the representatives, not everybody citywide. There are five basic criteria, and there are a couple others that might come up, but essentially these are the kinds of criteria that are either in state and federal law about districting or are common practices based on Supreme Court cases. And the Supreme Court cases, there's Supreme Court cases in this session.

There were a couple last session going over some of these very basic principles of redistricting. The first and key principle of redistricting is that each district needs to be equal in size. And when we say equal, we'll talk about relatively equal. Congressional districts, interestingly enough, have to be drawn to a population difference of one. So every congressional district in the state, I believe, is 702,904 people, give or take one person. We are not going to be held to that same standard.

Generally, in a local redistricting, you're held to a standard that the largest district is no more than 5% larger than the smallest district. In this city, we have a 2010 population of around 325,000 people. So in that kind of a construct with six districts, you're going to have an average population of 54,000 people. That median district size, if you add a 2.5%, subtract a 2.5%, you're looking at district sizes that are going to be between 55,000 and 52,000 people.

That is a population number. There are other numbers that we're going to use when we talk about these districts. One of the other numbers we're going to use is the American Community Survey. The American Community Survey goes to one in six homes over a 10-year period and asks long-form questions from the U.S. Census. It gets a lot more detail, and in the long-form census, we're able to dive a lot deeper into ethnicity, housing, workforce, and other questions. And according to the American Community Survey, we have 140,000 adult citizens in the city of Santa Ana.

Another database that might be talked about, and we might talk about this when it comes to ethnic voting power, is the voter registration. and in Santa Ana we're just short of a hundred thousand registered voters a second principle of redistricting is that districts be contiguous meaning that they're whole pieces you can't create a district that starts on one side of a city kind of there's another district another district and then that first district pops up somewhere else that has happened in other places and even in a

redistricting that I looked at in LA County there was a water district that did that there's another second version of contiguous and it's about being functionally contiguous so a district should be contiguous not only in its shape when you draw it on a map but also in the way in which that that district is lived in so as an example if you had a huge river going through the middle of the city and you couldn't cross the river except on a couple bridges you wouldn't draw a district that went to one edge of the river and cross the river and then extend it a little bit, where to get from one side to the other,

you'd have to drive out of the district and back into it. So we want districts to be literally contiguous and also in the way that the districts are lived in.

A third criteria would be maintaining communities of interest, and that's the primary reason that we're here. Communities of interest is more a term of art than a literal list of communities that somebody hands down to us. Clearly there are some communities of interest that are covered by the Voting Rights Act and are seen as being a real primary major community of interest that needs to be concerned that we need to be looking at. As an example, you have Latinos, Asians, African Americans are protected classes under the Voting Rights Act. Religious communities would be protected class.

other nationality or ethnic communities so like if we were in El Centro the Chaldean population would be a protected class and we would be looking at the Chaldean population if we were in my hometown of Glendale we'd be looking at Armenian population and here we're going to be looking most importantly at the Latino and Asian communities and within that we can look at nationalities of Asian communities as well so we can look at Korean Chinese Vietnamese and others When we look at the ethnic populations, we're not just asking how many Latinos or Asians or Vietnamese are in a district.

We're really looking specifically at the issue of their voting power. And for voting power, the federal law or federal court cases say, we look at eligible voters. We're not going to discount a community because they're not registered at high rates. We're going to look at eligible voters and the data we use is the citizen voting age population. That's a part of the American Community Survey. The first analysis I did of the city shows that we have a 17% Asian population and a 60% Latino population by that eligible voter, citizen voting age population metric.

And I've mapped this out to give a little bit of visual for the community. And really, when I show this to people who are from Santa Ana, I get a little nodding heads. You know, that kind of makes sense. The first map shows this population of Latinos in blue. And the more dense population of Latinos in each census block, the darker the blue. And while it's hard to see from the audience, these ones that have the numerals attached to it, the percentages, those are some of the areas that have the highest rates of Latino, and it's pretty high. We're talking 80, 90.

There's one in here that's 98 and one that's 99% Latino by citizen voting age population. That doesn't mean there's no white or Asian voters, but it means that they're either not citizens or they're under 18 or kids or something. The second map shows the Asian population. And in this, the darkest pieces here are this dark shaded green, and that we're looking at 65, 70, 45, 50, that kind of range of Asian population.

That's not the end of the story with communities of interest. Communities of interest can also include just how the community sees itself. It could include people that live near a certain industry. If we were in Torrance, we'd be talking about where do the aerospace workers live. It could, if we were in Costa Mesa, we might say where do the Coast Community College students live. It could be people who live near the river or have a certain commute. People who, if we were drawing districts and saying these certain people, they commute down to San Diego to go to work, and these people don't commute.

They work actually in the neighborhoods in which they live. environmental homeowners versus renters those kind of communities of interest and and this can go on and on and really it's about listening to the community to ask who their communities of interest are what they are another traditional criteria of redistricting is following existing lines it's kind of like using the existing geographic boundaries as a cheat sheet when you're going through the process of districting and some redistricting is like the state redistricting Commission actually have rules around this under the state

redistricting Commission's law they're not supposed to split counties split cities which means that when they come up to the boundary of a city they're supposed to follow the boundary of the city however odd that is and try to preserve that geographic boundary and we can do the same here and I'll show some examples in this in a minute the last traditional criteria is keeping districts compact. There's a lot of research in this area. There's a lot of mathematical formulas you can use to determine compactness. But for the most part, what we're talking about is districts

that look more like circles and squares and less like serpents and snakes and rivers and, you know, things that take on odd forms. So what we want to see is districts that, if they vary from being compact let's say we do draw a district that isn't compact then we want it to be justified based on these other prior criteria we want to be able to say that this isn't compact because we had to follow this community of interest we had to follow this making the district an equal size and other criteria so none of these criteria except for the equal size are are really dogmatic they can be

balanced these are the existing current districts for the city of Santa Ana that are being used there in this city called wards and as you can see they are broken up and in fact the population equality is is there they do fit the criteria of relatively equal population in terms of the 2010 census numbers this is a map of the neighborhoods and we recently redid this map this is the neighborhood organizations to be more specific and these provide when I talked about geographic boundaries this is a kind of a geographic boundary because as

I'm guessing having done this in LA and other places these neighborhoods didn't just fall out of the sky this was community groups coming together talking about what their neighborhoods are outlining those and working with the city to create a real sense of local governance and engagement at that neighborhood level so if a line for a neighborhood is somewhere I as the redistricting expert is I'm gonna say there was a reason why that line was put there and if I can it would be probably advantageous to try to follow these neighborhoods as much as possible I have provided data as a word document that I

believe can be sent to the council members and probably can be made available online that actually gives this population breakdown for these neighborhoods and this isn't all of them this is just the beginning of the page so I could show people what this is. Each of this each of the neighborhoods is given a population from the 2010 census that's the base population we're going to be using when we build these districts. Each of them also shows the base number of how many voters or how many the citizen voting age population so people over 18 who are citizens and then we see the next one is the number

of Cvap Latino so in that first neighborhood we had 5,182 population 4,272 of them are Latino so that's 82% of them and 470 of them are Asian that's 9% and And as you can see, this shows certain areas where we have relatively low or relatively high Asian population. And as we go through this, that might be helpful in us looking at how we piece together districts.

Another thing I discussed was these boundaries of other political geographies. And this is an example of school districts, which might be helpful. the boundary of the Garden Grove Unified School District might be something that ends up being a part of the discussion as we're drawing these redistricting lines.

Another set of boundaries that I mean given what you think about the State Redistricting Commission might be useful or not this is the boundaries of the State Senate districts and you can see some places where it did cut the city in what I would consider kind of odd ways but maybe there is some kind of a justification there that was probably a part of public testimony at some point. The congressional district, same thing. We do have a boundary. In fact, the congressional district, you can see, shares that boundary that we had with the Garden Grove School District.

And to go back to that real quick, it not only follows the boundary of the Garden Grove School District in the main body with the number 48, but even that little piece down there below, that little lip is a part of the Garden Grove School District as well. And then finally, a geography that the county registrar probably thinks is super important. We don't have to follow it. We can divide these all we want to meet other criteria, but these are the precincts. So we do have all the precincts, and there's a potential that a precinct was drawn in a way to reflect the way the community votes,

getting them all to go to the same polling location and trying to draw boundaries for precincts that don't force people to, you know, swim through a river to get to their polling place.

But that's just another geography that we have access to. The steps that we're taking, these first two steps are the first listening hearings that we had on Tuesday and then again today. These first two hearings are before I put pen to paper. I have not drawn a map, I have not drawn a line, and we will start doing that process after we've completed this hearing. The next two hearings, we're going to have draft maps. So between now and the 15th, I will be working with any input we receive on drawing three versions, generally what I do, three versions of draft maps,

and providing those as something that people can either come to these hearings, they can either show where their community of interest is, or they can respond to the draft maps. They can say, I prefer map A, B, or C, or they can say that one line of that one ward should move over here. And that kind of input is valuable to us in the process. And then finally, on June 5th, on Election Day, we're going to be having an opportunity for the council to vote on one plan. The way that this process works is that hearing is not an opportunity for the city council

to continue to argue about what line goes where or how they want to draw the district lines. there's one plan that will be on the agenda and only that one plan will be able to be voted on and the reason the state law wrote it like that was so that you would have that one plan on an agenda the public could see it and there wouldn't be any kind of last-minute changes to it in a way that might not reflect the community input so that one plan will be agendized well before this June 5th hearing or meeting and the council will be able to then vote on it and then you'll be off to the remainder of the process. And that's it. Thank you.

Oh yes, we do have, next, we have some experts that are from Esri and Esri is a company that does this kind of mapping and they're working on a public tool so the public and council members can engage and help draw their communities of interest and help provide input to the redistricting process. So was it Nick or Harry they're gonna come Mike it looks like

great thank you Paul thanks counsel and everyone for having us I am going to take a second here and get to the tool that Paul referred to so one of the things Paul mentioned was this idea of communities of interest and these are very important because as Paul also mentioned really the the primary point of this is to get as much public comment as we can and so what we want to do is we want to take advantage of the public's kind of very rich geographic and

spatial knowledge that they have about their neighborhoods right some people are here for generations they really understand what communities are what and equally as important why those communities are where they are or exist for the reasons they do. So on the other hand, we want to keep things very simple, right? So what we did is create this community of interest mapping application, and you can reach this application if you go to the main city website. We actually have the redistricting effort banner right up there on the top.

So once you're there, you can scroll down after you've read about some of the logic of the process and goings on. You can about half the way down see this map of Santa Ana. And so what this does is going to launch this community of interest mapping application. And initially it will give us some really basic instructions. I'm going to click out of there.

So what this does is present a very basic map on the left pane. It currently shows the existing wards. And you can also change the base map. The base map is the underlying map. So if you want to go to an aerial view, you could do that. we defaulted on this map because it contains a lot of points of interest, parks, the actual building footprints. A lot of these things are actually what end up anchoring these communities of interest and it allows someone visually to see where they are and they can say, oh, that's where my community is. So that's why we chose that. So just to give an example, I am going

to move the map around, as you can see, and I'm going to zoom in here. And again, what I'm about to do is based on limited knowledge of the neighborhoods and communities of Santa Ana. This is more of a technical demonstration at this point. So let me scroll in here. Looks like there's Cabrillo Park and this roundabout in Golden West. So once you are to where you want to be in terms of zooming into your part of the city, it's very simple. So there's big green button down here that says draw your community so you can click on that and then what

that allows you to do is then along with setting up on the right hand pane here a set of pieces of information that you're going to be filling in about your community allows you to come in and draw your community so this is very simple if there's any point of this process which takes a little extra bit of focus it's this one here but it kind of prompts you along and that is you start you click where your community is and then you do a second click to actually start drawing so as it says there it says click to continue drawing once I do that second click as I move around I could start

drawing my community right and then once I want to make a turn all right create a point I just click again I can make any kind of shape so this doesn't have to be a square it could be a triangle it could be any sort of polygon in this case I'll just do a square it'll square that off for me and then to finish it I just double click okay so I've drawn my community now the the nice thing about the ESRI system is that it's a geographic information system, GIS system. So that polygon is not just a square kind of thrown on top of that area. It kind of is aware of the spatial

attributes of that area. It knows what the streets are, what the buildings are, that there's a park there. And all that data is there as part of that object that is this community. So what I want to do or what we want to do is allow people that have a much richer knowledge of what that community may be is to fill out more about that right so what they would do is come here and give their community a name in this case I'll just say Cabrillo and then this is probably the most important part right here this second dialog box because this is really where the resident is going to explain why this is a

community of interest there may be you know a sense of community from the residents here that go back generations. It may be very specific to an occupational aspect. Whatever it may be, we want that to be very specific here. What this is going to do is get stored and then it's going to allow Paul to take all that information and say, oh I get a sense that people really have a strong sense of this community here. The reason we do this is instead of having people draw lines, which you can do for wards or districts, one it allows people are more

likely to enter this type of information it's simpler and they can define it but it also really captures the essence of what that community is oftentimes when people are drawing a boundary what they're really thinking of is their community of interest and they're thinking how can i encapsulate that so doing this allows us to get more of it and get really to the point of it so

There's an additional comments section as well and then

Name

I'll do my, what's the fake movie phone number that I always do in TV and movies, right? What is that?

Okay.

And then lastly, aside from the date being there, you can also attach a document. So there could be things obviously that people have that are not textual in nature or be drawn on the map. You could add that and then say report it. So this has given me a thank you. Your community of interest has been submitted. By the way, I can submit another one as well. So there's no limit to the communities that you can submit. This has now been stored. It will be in the system. It'll be part of the information that Paul will use to look at and analyze the communities

and can be part of anything else that the city can do or use going forward. So another important thing is to think of the system as kind of a broad community engagement tool as well, right? It just doesn't have to stop with this effort as well. So this is a very basic and simple way to get the community's input in a spatial sense. That's it. Thank you.

Thank you. And Council, I have three speaker cards. We have Idalia Velazquez. I believe she left. Leonel Velazquez.

And Josue Hernandez.

Good evening, Councilmembers. My name is Jose Hernandez, and I'm representative of Oak Court, Orange County Communities Organized for Responsible Development. And we serve a large portion of the population here in Santana with our citizenship fairs, some of which we've partnered up with the city on. So we are here to support this measure, to be on the ballot. We hope very much so that the residents of Santana see that this is a grand need for us to have equitable representation, improved representation. We've seen what it does in Anaheim, and it truly does make council members closer to the community

and less in the pockets of special interests, as we've seen here in occasions in the city of Santana. So we support full-heartedly all this. It's a shame that we weren't able to have quorum today, so I don't know if my comments are going to be part of the record. I believe not. But still, I'm here to voice our support and for all the folks that couldn't be here today. Obviously, these folks are at work and whatnot, but we are very much about spreading the word and letting folks know about this districting process happens. and the second most important thing is that it happens so that the communities of interest here in Santana,

whether it's the Vietnamese, Latinos, or the various other groups and associations and cultural treasures of the community be able to stay in the districts that they do and not have these serpents and snakes as the demographer kind of mentioned, because there's a lot of that here. So I really hope that we have a good map because this is important. And it's like district elections is one part and then the second part is having good maps that represent the community and are not gerrymandered. So I hope that this is a good process and I look forward to giving our input as the coalition that supports this, many of whom had to leave

and were not here. So thank you.

good evening council members and I guess we can say public too in this kind of a meeting but at any rate I had no idea exactly what this was going to be about so I didn't fill out a speaker card but as it went through I thought of something that I think you should take into consideration I'm a very big proponent of neighborhood associations but at the same time I know that there's very few active neighborhood associations, and there's many reasons that some of them are not active. But my concern is, because I think the entire city is divided into neighborhood associations,

whether or not they're active. And my concern is that we might place emphasis on keeping those neighborhood associations together that aren't even active at the expense of dividing the ward the way it should be divided. So that was my concern is to maybe as one of your criteria is to include whether or not a neighborhood association is truly active or not. And I think there's data on that. And I would hate for a neighborhood association to be divided,

but in some cases I don't think the neighborhood association would even notice if it got divided or the boundaries of it got changed to fit the ward map. But I think you should keep an association within a ward and not have an association split across the ward. Does that make sense? I hope that makes sense. Anyway, thank you.

I have some questions. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Paul, if you would, sir. Thank you for the presentation. Just some quick questions. So the ACS survey, how often is that published?

So the American Community Survey is published annually, and the data we use is from a three-year rolling average of data. The most recent release we got over last summer, that data is used to help us determine the composition of the district, not the size of it, but the composition. And that ethnic population is adjusted, like I said, it's adjusted every year, and then it rolls back to the prior two years to make a three-year average. That three-year average is written to the census block group level, and then we can use that data to build a district.

The American Community Survey does provide, like for the Orange County, it will tell you a more specific annual number, let's say one-year number, of how many Latinos or Asians or other ethnicities. But in order to be able to use data that can be more freely manipulated into these wards and using the census block groups, we have to use a three-year rolling average number.

Great. Thank you. I noticed last time you mentioned at least three times regarding the value of the census, and I think we all agree that's a valuable piece of information. Further questions regarding the majority minority. So if you could say a certain community, like the Vietnamese community could qualify as that. What about the Anglo community? Do you have a slide for that?

I can provide a slide that shows the CVAP white community. However, a white community is not a protected class under the Voting Rights Act. So under the Voting Rights Act, minority groups that have a history of, you know, under-representation or other issues in our culture are covered by the Civil Rights Act and then as a result of being in the Civil Rights Act, they're in the Voting Rights Act. So I can definitely draw that. That data is definitely available. However, it is not really as operative in a Voting Rights Act concern. As an example,

there was a lawsuit in Glendale to try to force the Glendale Community College District to rebound based on the voting rights of white voters, and that was thrown out of court.

I see. Thank you. One of the things that I'd like to see for our maps redrawn, It's like many folks here mentioned, including myself and my colleagues, the value that we have in our neighborhood associations. We want to make sure that they're included. I would also like to see if our community centers included in their maps evenly, the parks. That way it would be evenly. I don't know if this is my first time.

Yeah, no, I would need the data on the community centers. I do have data on some parks. The census does have a data layer on parks. It also has a data layer on schools that might not be the most recent and most up-to-date, but it's based on the most recent census calculations.

Community centers might be a file or some information that I could try to get from the city in order to kind of place community centers within wards.

We also have some candidates that have already, you know, filed committees, committees, open committees for the upcoming election in November. And I would like to have them, since they already did these things, have them included in their current or their respective wars that they're in now. I would like to say that for the record. I know this is not a formal meeting, but I would like to see that included in their maps. If we could keep that in mind.

It doesn't have to be a formal meeting for the input to be just as meaningful to me.

One of the traditional criteria in redistricting that I didn't really get into has to do with the ability for the city council or whoever is doing the redistricting to take into account other factors like incumbency. Incumbency with the existing council members can be something included. And the rationale for that is that you're trying to preserve and maintain the current government, the current elected members who are elected by the public. So there are times when incumbents will be put on a map and where that can be a legitimate criteria for the drawing of lines in a situation like this.

Other individuals being put on a map can also happen. it would probably be something that is best suited for the online tool, where on the online tool you can actually put in an address and see where that address shows up in a map. And as soon as we have the draft boundaries loaded into that ESRI tool, you would be able to take somebody's address, somebody who might be thinking about running for office, and actually look at where they live in the ward boundaries. That would probably be the most appropriate way to do that.

Okay, very good. And that's all I have for today. Thank you, sir. Of course. Thank you.

I just would want to thank the presenters and the public that were here. The only additional suggestion I have is moving forward. I don't know. We're on the city's website. We give quite a bit of description on the process and the ESRI maps, which seems like a pretty usable tool for the general public. If we could, as a follow-up to the recent e-blast that went out to the community, if we can almost craft an email just around the mapping system and a reminder of all the dates, I think that would be good.

It probably got hinted at in this last email, but moving forward, if we could do that. And I know today, because it's really more under the guise of our ad hoc committee or a committee of three, if you will, up here. We may need to do an additional public hearing, and we'll work with the clerk's office and the attorney's office on scheduling an additional public hearing if necessary. I think there's some research we've got to do on that, but I did want everybody to know that. Thank you.

And the only thing I was going to say in conclusion is thank you, and thank you to my colleagues who are here today. Obviously, we would have liked this to have been a formally recorded meeting, but I think there's still value in you listening to members of the public and listening to some of the council who are part of the public as well. Right now, your job is to try to receive as much information as you possibly can to craft maybe some versions and iterations of what a map may look like, and then we come back and discuss those. So, you know, what's fascinating to me is that you're dealing,

I would think that what you've dealt with in Anaheim and other cities are just large cities without any preexisting lines, right? So the fact that this is sort of a hybrid model where you have at-large voting with wards or districts already drawn out, I don't know if it influences or makes it easier or more complicated maybe if you were just dealing with one boundaried city versus lines already drawn. So to the extent that that's going to be an interesting exercise for you, I see it as something unique where you don't see this sort of model other places.

The other issues I think that we were discussing with our staff, both the clerk and our city attorney staff, was, again, I think as to Councilman Solorio's point, How do we, you know, I think we're working into the premise of AB530, 350, I'm sorry, I inverted the numbers, AB350, which is more directed towards general law cities versus charter cities like ours. So we don't know the applicability. I still have some doubts as to the requirements and the criteria and whether or not, you know, we fit under that. So that's some additional research we need to do because that's what's dictating this sort of five,

this minimum five meetings that we're trying to have before our deadline. And then finally, you know, the time period between today and the next scheduled hearing, which I would think, is it the 15th as well? So I'm not sure what the noticing time is for a meeting between now and then, whether that's even logistically possible, but maybe just something, again, for us to consider since this one wasn't a formal meeting. But just a couple things, you know, that homework that we need to do. But I know it's, you know, the timeline is very tight,

so to the extent we can try to work around those. But I think some of the questions that were raised to you by or comments that you heard I think are going to be valuable. More than anything, I think we just need to push out the information so people can get online and use that device. Because, you know, from what I could tell, it seemed pretty user-friendly from what our consultant was telling us from ESRI, that, you know, you get on and you kind of move lines around, and hopefully that will give a lot of valuable data and a lot of valuable input.

So I think, Madam Clerk, you're already doing that, so to the extent we do more of it, I think, to the points you heard tonight.

Hopefully the input that you received tonight helps, and I guess we'll keep you posted for another meeting that we may have here or out in the community as well.

And to speak to your point about the existing lines, unlike other places where you might come in and convert from an at-large system to districts, this is not a blank slate. There is a set of existing wards, and those existing wards have meaning because the public has probably gotten used to these wards. There's some actual value in the community knowing who their council member is. and so having those wards is of value. Now at the same time, when we redraw these lines, especially when we're trying to conform to the state and federal voting rights act,

we might have to make some significant transformations of the boundaries in order to make districts that are more representative and potentially talk about that majority-minority concern within the Asian community. so it's likely that as I put pen to paper between now and the next meeting that there will be I usually do three versions of plans and there will likely be a version of the plan that really tries to start with the footprint of the existing lines as the guiding principle and then from there move into these other redistricting criteria to try to make lines that kind of balance the history of these

boundaries with the need to make some changes and I'll probably also do some other sets of boundaries that just start from scratch and it'll be interesting to see the kind of community input that each of those types of boundaries have and I'm not gonna suggest that one is better than the other but you'll probably see some that are they look a little bit more like the existing lines and some that look nothing like them

thank you all for attending this meeting is adjourned

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.